buk9tp

Explain to me how that is demanding someone else to live.

You are arguing to mandate someones entire life after conception by allowing the mother to end the life of their child. That is not only dictating on how someone is going to live, but also controlling how they will die. You're not leaving anyone alone by having an abortion, you're infringing on the rights of the conceived child.

j3w

nearly all abortions take place in the first trimester, when a fetus cannot exist independent of the mother. as it is attached by the placenta and umbilical cord, its health is dependent on her health, and cannot be regarded as a separate entity as it cannot exist outside her womb.

the ability of a woman to have control of her body is critical to civil rights. take away her reproductive choice and you step onto a slippery slope. if the government can force a woman to continue a pregnancy, what about forcing a woman to use contraception or undergo sterilization?

N1ghtM0nkey

This, and what buk said are why it's difficult for the government to get involved in these sorts of things. People take pregnancy entirely too lightly. What we need is responsibility and accountability for our actions, but we also need protection from the government over extending it's power. While I am pro-life, I'm not sure this is something that the government needs to regulate very strictly.

If a woman gets pregnant because she was stupid and didn't use one of the MANY available and FREE forms of contraceptive you can get from your local health department, she should be accountable and responsible for that child's life from day ONE. I think that abortion being so readily available allows for a lack of responsibility, as buk said.

All that said, we can't make the youth of America wise up and gain responsibility over night, they're still going to have sex and if they're irresponsible they're going to do it without any contraceptives and ------ disease, and have children that they are not fit to care for. There's no amount of education that can fix a person's desire to reproduce...that's what we as human beings are going to naturally do.

So I don't think we necessarily need to make abortion illegal - although that is one route that could be taken, but those of us that are pro-life need to come up with a better solution that doesn't make citizens feel as though they are losing rights, and a solution that prevents unfit mothers from killing their children before or after birth. We could do this by either by preventing conception in the first place or putting in to place better adoption programs so that they don't feel as though their entire life is ruined because they made a mistake.

The problem I see is that we already have many forms of free contraceptives available, as well as adoption agencies...and still women chose to kill their children.

And as far as the example goes with the woman falling down the stairs, there's no way even if it was very illegal to kill an infant that a jury would give her any kind of punishment. Just because she killed a child doesn't mean ----, when she goes infront of that jury if it even went that far, the jury is going to throw the case out unless there is significant evidence that she threw herself down the stairs intentionally - not likely. The court is not a system of robots, it's a jury of your PEERS, human beings that can make actual decisions and not just something there to convict everybody of every little offense.

N1ghtM0nkey

Also, I find it ironic that J.H.Christ is pro-choice.

J-SMITH69

I'M NOT A REPUBLICAN YOU STUPID ---- HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT.

accidents are accidents, if she fell down the stairs on accident, then no obviously not. people don't get charged for traffic accidents that result in death if it was indeed an accident.

as for rape and incest victims. i would be more likely to consider that as an exception.

J-SMITH69

i already shattered that argument that the fetus can't live by itself.

i don't care how people bring up their children, i don't care if they turn out to be ********, i don't care how they live.

i don't condone murder. thats it. you can't murder someone because they could possible grow up to be a -------, or poor

CspecRun

That sounds ------' stupid. What about your kids, if you have any?? They have to live in this world full of ******** who keep reproducing and not giving a ----, therefore creating more ********. World full of ********=fail.

j3w

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J-SMITH69

you sound ------- stupid. who should go into your house and make sure you raise your children like someone else thinks you should?

read my posts.

the fetus can't live by itself, but that doesn't mean you can murder it. by that logic i could murder someone who is on life support, or i could murder someone who is in critical condition after a car crash but would die w/o medical treatment, hey... they can't live on their own anyways so i should be able to kill them

sunboost

so bring on all the children...lets have children suffering because of poor or unfit conditions and ---- for brain parents...yeah thats an excellent idea. lets have more people suffering, especially ones that cannot fend for themselves...gtfo.

big picture, big picture. if a kid is gonna suffer, dont bring them into this already fucked up world. :1