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Got a letter yesterday from my internet provider. It says that a court order was issued for them to give some people my information based on them wanting to sue my IP address. I have 10 days to oppose them giving out my info.
From what I gather, I was supposed to have defamed someone on a craigslist blog in a completely different state than where I live? ???
Called the lawyer from my internet provider and he said I have to send the letter of opposition to the court, but not to do it myself because then, the plaintiffs would have my info. The internet provider and thier letter says something about defamation on craigslist, and when the court is called (from the state these tools are trying to sue from), they say the case is about property damage. I don't have a clue wtf is going on.

Yes, I have a wireless open network, but I still can't put all this ---- together and figure out wtf I was supposed to have done, or even how I would do it if I wanted to.

I really don't want to pay a lawyer to send a letter for me, but even when the letter of opposition is sent, I guess the court can still get my info at a later date so someone can sue? Anyone had some ---- like this before?

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Sounds fishy to me.

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I just got a letter from alscans.com reps.....those bastards are trying to take me to court also for one of my sites users hotlinking to their pictures....not sure what to do but i deleted everything, and replied from an alias, so i would like to know what you do in a situation like this also.

Good luck man.

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I'm not worried about being found guilty of something I didn't do, I'm concerned about the run around and possible costs I will have to take on just to have this done. On top of the fact that I can't do anything on my own, because they don't know who I am. I'm just an IP address to them at this point. ----, I don't even know what my IP address is.

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Anything real would have to have been served to you by an officer of the law.

I would call the courthouse where this document supposedly came from and just ask for information

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If you don't oppose it, and it is fraud, then your internet provider will be liable for relinquishing your personal info to an unverified entity.

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Yeah I'd take cray91s advice.

I'd get all the info from your ISP and the courthouse I could before moving forward.

Maybe your ISP or craigslist can provide records of when you supposedly accessed the site?

Encrypt your ---- man, it's easy and you don't have to worry about this.

Either way, I don't see how in the hell you can get sued when they can't prove who was behind the computer at the time, or if someone else was on your network, or if someone had some malicious software using your comp as a proxy, etc etc. What about innocent until proven guilty?

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Re-reading the letter sent to me by my internet provider, they're letter says *I* have to send a letter to the court to oppose my info being given out. The court papers that came along with that letter said that the internet provider was ordered to tell the court wether I opposed or not. I think the provider is trying to shovle the court notification onto me. A rep from Craigslist was given a subpoena to give the court my IP address because of whatever I didn't do, and then the court sent the letter to my internet provider.

This ---- is stupid. How do you defame someone on craigslist, and why would I do it in a state that I don't even live in? There were about 5 IP addresses they were trying to sue, and mine came up as one. ???

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Secure that wireless connection pronto,

I can send a letter for you. What's the address? >:D >:D >:D

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Ok, so I just talked to the internet provider security blah blah guy, and this is a run around. In the letter from them to me the customer, they say that I have to file papers with the court to oppose my info being given out. They included in this mailing the papers from the court which read that they (the company) are ordered by the judge to report wether I want to oppose or not. Sounds like they're trying to get out of having anything to do with it, but now I've called an internet attorney who will probably tell me that I owe him stupid money for something I have nothing to do with.

I mean, it's not like I was shipping boxes of boxes of talkie-talkies to the middle east.. >:D

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If you have a WON than it could be one of your neighbors connecting to yours. I'm on wireless also and their are 3 others around me that are unsecured
that I can use and do ----, but MINE is secured

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Yes, that's what the provider guy was trying to scare my wife with. I called him and he tried to give me the same story and once I asked if a proxy server or virus could do the same exact thing, he shut up and agreed. The problem with the neighbor scenerio is that this was on craigslist in a completely different state, and I can't think of why the neighbors would care to defame anyone in another state. It had to have been someone tapping into my IP through another means.
The internet provider also tried to scare my wife with "If someone goes on your network and downloads porn, you're responsible for it". When he brought that story up with me, I asked if that precident had been set in court before, and he said he didn't know. Well, if it's never happened in court before, then don't tell my wife we're responsible when you don't have a clue. ::)

Anyway, looks like I'll have to fork out cash to have my information held from the court. Oh yeah, and justice for all. :X

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damm steve. sounds like a bum deal, anyway.. you ready for me??? im coming in may sucka! be ready!

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What are the dates. I will try to get them cleared

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the weekend of the 13th i beleive

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How many different ways can someone tap into my IP address, and does it automatically change at any given time, because the IP that I have now isn't the one listed on the complaint that they say was mine. ???

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How are you checking your ip address? You local ip (192.168......) is different than the one other people see on the internet.

It depends on how your service provider does things. Mine is Charter, and I keep the same ip address.

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GENERALLY
DSL = dynamic, changes from time to time, so other people may have leased the same IP, although i'm sure its logged when you got it, and when you got a new IP
Cable = as far as i'm concerned its static, i've had the same IP for 6+ months, not sure, probably much longer
regardless, i'm sure they log when your modem gets a new IP.

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I'm not sure about other ISPs, but some lease an IP for each user for a day or more. You will keep that IP unless they need it for some reason, or if you restart your modem (and in a lot of cases you'll just get the same one back). They do keep records of what person was leased what IP. I think they said it's required by law, and I can't remember how long. Maybe a month?

:P

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I just went to some check your IP site and it wasn't the one listed on the complaint. Right now my options are:

- Pay a lawyer a couple hundred to write a letter on my behalf and tell them that I oppose them having my information. This could be later overturned if they have hard evidence against "my" IP, leading to a lawsuit anyhow.

- Call the plaintiffs lawyer as John Doe (all they know me by right now other than an IP) and explain to them that I couldn't have possibly gave a ---- enough about defaming someone in another state that I don't know, and hope they drop it.


From what I've gathered, finding someone guilty of defamation is one of the hardest things to do because of the first amendment. I would have to ------ a lie that I knew for a fact wasn't true to be guilty of anything, and proving that someone knew it was a lie is hard enough, let alone throwing in the mix not even knowing the person or living in the same state. Sounds like a fishing expedition for lawyers.

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AND it has to be damaging to them, so good luck to them on that.

Do you have any specifics of what you supposedly said or who the ---- this dildo is?

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The plaintiffs are listed as a management company, and two chicks' names. The only info it has is the 5 IP addresses they are targeting and the times/dates of each IP address when they were supposed to have done whatever they did, which the court document has no more info than that. I could probably find that information out, but I'd have to call/mail something to the court which would give up my identity (what they really want, so they can just send lawsuit paperwork), but I know I didn't have anything to do with this ----, so it doesn't matter to me what was said or done.

They got the IP addresses from a Craigslist rep, so I guess that's where they were supposed to have been defamed. My knowledge of craigslist is strictly a buy/sell classifieds site. You would think it'd be hard to defame someone on a site where you can't publicly respond to posts. This may have occured on a craigslist blog, but before all of this I didn't even know they had one, so I know I wasn't there.

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Sick

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The only time I have seen cases that actually were defamtion online were people who started web sites to deface a company or a person. A post or reply is a joke to think that is defmation if thats the case were all getting sued

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Yeah, one way or another this is a scam, but a legal scam that I have to respond to or I'll probably spend a small fortune on having a lawyer deal with it later. If I can road block it to the point where they drop it or if I can convince them they're talking to the wrong guy, I might be able to save money in the long run. As if I should have ---- to do with this anyway.

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When the case is dropped, send them a bill for your lawyer fees 8)

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sounds like a load of BS... i frankly wouldnt even worry, (which i'm sure is the WRONG thing to do) i figure even if they give your name/address up, YOU didnt do anything, and AFAIK, YOU cant be held responsible for what SOMEONE else does on your IP... that person couldve just as easily walked into a airport/mcdonalds/starbucks/panera and done the same ----... why should YOU be held accountable, i mean, frankly EVEN if you had WEP, its STUPID-easy to break wep (which is STILL what the majority of people use, yea yea, i know WPA cant be broken with a good password)... frankly, it sounds SOOOO bunk what they're trying to do, you obviously didnt do anything.

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I need the IP of someone here, they called me a racial slur and I need to sue :6

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... one more thing, how the ---- did they get your IP from craigslist? i think thats a decent question, how are they linking an IP from someone that visited? its not like the email was actually sent through YOUR IP... your getting questioned just for VISITING craigslist? i would contact craigslist (through an annonymous email like gmail) and verify that it they have indeed given out your IP to these people, its YOUR IP right? you deserve to know if your getting scammed.

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go ---- yourself
yours truly - *meh its in the quote if anyone cared*
seriously, nothing you can do...

theres plenty of IP's available, me and my buddy used to send people on AIM we met in chat rooms sub7 embedded in solitaire or something, then direct connect to em, if they accept it, you can just go into "netstat /an" figure out their IP, then ---- with em... its not always a hard thing to get, with sub7 you could do some nasty ---- (back in the day of win9x)

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I was being facetious.

Trust me, I know a bit of ----. Right now I'm coding a homebrew PSP game.

I can give more information if you want?

Are you Tom or is it your dad? How's the weather in montgomery?

Is your MAC address .? (it's a rhetorical question, I know the answer)

I can tell you your dads name, mac address, modem brand, phone number(s), ssn, home address, etc etc etc

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::) oh noez... lol... weathers fine here... Tom is indeed my dad

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oh noez, you don't notice sarcasm when you see it.

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lol, how exactly did you obtain that info?

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Wasn't trying to make you feel like an idiot, was just showing your IP address could be a bad thing to give out, and you shouldn't be so quick to give it out thinking nothing could happen.

I personally wouldn't do anything with the info. But I could call your home, go to your home, or a number of other things if I was a slightly bigger -------.

Don't worry though, MOST people aren't able to get the info. Just letting you know some can :P

I edited your crap back out by the way

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lol subseven. i was doing that when the first version came out.
using joiner programs to embed into jpeg files etc.
flipping screens upside down, printing ---- on there computer, watching them on their webcam. all sorts of sick twisted ----.

i had it set up though so when it got installed then it was automatically send me there IP address and port that was open via icq.
that was sweet.

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now, besides getting that i'm using comcast, and that i'm in chicago, i have NO clue how you got that OTHER information...
closest i got to my location was from http://www.auditmypc.com/anonymous-surfing.asp
and basically i THOUGHT the only data that was available would be listed here:
http://www.arin.net/whois/
i'm sure you had to reference my IP against something else...
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i'm impressed to say the least, and feel a little -> :1
also, although not SUPER-secure by any means, (for reasons i'm NOT going to go into), i dont think you got that off any open/forwarded ports on my local computers, i'm truely baffled.
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so i ran NmapW against my own IP (little redundant i guess)
and i only have a handfull of ports open:
80 for my HTTP server
3306 mysql server
and another one i'm not gonna mention, cause its probably not safe to have forwarded
that and 135, 139... i really have no clue how the ---- you found out my (dads) name, address??? but kudos i guess.

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wait so your going to get fucked over because of something you didnt do?

they wouldnt be ------- with you if they didnt do it
the court is always right so you had to have done something wrong
they wouldnt be going through all these hassles if your innocent
your a ------- moron/

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so you know what court this is coming from?
you should go down to your police station and tell them someone is trying to scam you and see if they have some sort of online devision.
around here i read in the newspaper about people going to the cops about this sort of stuff.

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haha, Buk throwing my own words back. Must have gotten the talkie talkie shipment.

From what it looks like, these people have convinced a court that they should be able to track down whoever they've been wronged by. They had the court hit up the craigslist rep for IP numbers. I don't think IP numbers are something I need to know about if they want them, but now they're trying to turn those IP numbers into names and addresses, which is where my internet provider comes in, and that's how it all came about.

I think I might call thier lawyers office today and convince them that John Doe didn't do anything, and has no money for them to gain anyhow. :6