d16forlife

I think weve discussed this before Justin and we have the same views on this.I havent even read anny other post but yours on this thread. Im a man of hard facts and the bible is just hear or say.It wasnt written by "christ" but by a bunch of guys hopped up on peyote and other halucinagenic drugs.I believe in that there is a god becouse it gives me piece of mind.But it aint Christ.My god has no name or a religion who taxes me 10% of my monthly gross. We werent created by god.We are all here by a long tern of events and evolution.

I may be wrong but thats my belief.

accordepicenter

I believe in God and the Bible... But the quiz sez im going to level 7 of hell, where only Violent people are kept

d16tuner

lol. That is funny. And I suppose that if I choose not to believe in you, does that make you invalid, so you don't exist? That is like the little boy who closes his eyes and hides under the sheets because then the monsters won't be there anymore. lol. Or the proverbial ostrich. Nope, it is perfectly valid, but you can certainly have your own opinion. It won't hurt my feelings any.

I could ask you: how can you believe in evolution? Just because Darwin (who has been soundly disproved, but for some reason a lot of fanatics/zealots/faithful still cling to him) wrote Origin of Species? If it wasn't for "the book" (Origin), you and millions of others wouldn't know what to believe either. Or because some other "crack-smoking" scientists have come up with wildly absurd theories? Does the fact that a lot of learned people believed the earth was flat make it true? Does the fact that a lot of learned people think we got here thru PE make it true? See where I'm going?

A lot of scientists (not all of them christian either) think evolution is complete hogwash. How much study have you done on either Evolution OR Creation, so that you can make an informed decision? Or is your decision based mainly on heresay - "everyone knows... bla bla bla". Most people don't actually study the facts for either side, they are a bunch of sheep who make a decision based on what the crowd thinks (the average one of which has 3 kids out of wedlock, $50k in debt, and two divorces) thinks - yeah, like our neighbors are a sound source of judgment. Face it, we believe what we want to believe. I do, you do too.

Do you know what evolution is - particularly PE? Scientists came up with a theory, and now have to search for supporting evidence. It isn't like they looked at the evidence and said, "oh, we must have arrived thru a series of abrupt and massive changes in DNA over millions of years". Puhleeze. Think about it - for years they were all yelling exactly the OPPOSITE. They said "Natural Selection has been overturned, and I still don't want to believe in anyone superior who can control me, cause I'm my OWN MAN, so I've got this theory that takes him out of the picture again! Now, If I could only find some real evidence..."

Point is, it is all faith - n. - 'firm belief in something for which there is no proof'.

That is fine and dandy with me. There is evidence for both sides. Have you ever read any existentialism (sp)? I have, and there is evidence we don't even exist. I'll have faith in creation, and you can have faith in evolution, or seuss, or whatever you want. The only difference between my faith and that of a lot of people, is that I've done A LOT (I haven't always been convinced of God's Existence) of studying on both subjects, and I have seen a lot of evidence that gives me a basis for my faith. Most people seem to pull their opinions out of their butt. And others say, "well, I really don't feel like studying it, so I'll just throw my hands up and say 'I don't know!'" That is the lazy way out, but hey, again it is fine with me if people want to do that. It really doesn't affect me any. If you are the kind of person that would walk into a courtroom, put on a blindfold and earplugs and then render a judgment as a juror, then that way of deciding makes sense, otherwise I think more people should really give some consideration to the evidence before they decide to vote with their own life. After all, if I am right, it is you on trial...

Glad you try to live a good life. Unfortunately, there is more involved.

and I suppose you have evidence they were all high? Or does my theory or "take the easy way out" apply to you too? Oh yeah, and God doesn't tax me either. Since you feel the need to chip in on the subject, would you please elaborate on the evolutionary process that got us here since everyone is so hung up on this theory? I'd love to understand what you are thinking in that regard... :P

Oh yeah, hope I haven't offended anyone. I shouldn't even respond to stuff like that, but I'm easy bait!

Dr.Boost

Ummm.....ok. You have obviously studied it WAY MORE than I have. Call me lazy, call me what you will, but I personaly don't care to look any further into it because to be honest with you, it's not an important aspect of my life at this moment. You obviosly strongly believe everything that was written in this book and you believe all of the "hearsay" that was involved.

How can you deny my existance when you can see me directly in front of you with your own eyes? If I told you I see dead people would you believe me? Why wouldn't you, or if you do believe me, why? You can't prove that I can't see dead people. I could riddle off a story about all of these dead people I have talked to and sat with and you couldn't tell me that I didn't because you don't know. You just don't know, and niether do I. If you can make "GOD" appear in front of me and explain these things to me and verify his existance, I would surely believe you, but until then I am still in the middle of the road, just as I stated.
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d16forlife

Ok where should I start.Walking on water,burning bushes,plagues,parting the red sea,reviving after being dead,people turning to salt...... i could go on for ever.that sounds like a bad acid trip to me.Lets see some hard evidence that this was done.I mean real proof not the bible.

As far as evolution well we have cromagnen skulls and neanderthall skulls.Clearly both human but one more evolved than the other.Nothing can be found befor this.Why I dont know.How do you explain dinosours?where do they fit in the bible.Do you believe that those are fake.Science and hard facts dont lie.Yes we need more proof to prove evolution but atleast there is some physical evidence to suport that theary not just a book.

The bible contradicts its self over and over.Dont ask me where couse I dont know it by memory...I dont even own one.I can remerber some from when my parents were trying to raise me Catholic .You expect me to believe that god pulled out one of adams ribs and made her from him?thats some matrix type ----!!So we are all childeren of incest since they were the only 2 people on earth and there children had to be incestuouse.Please .Believe what you want.I respect your beliefs.And please respect mine.

d16tuner

First of all. I don't see you. I see words on a screen that might or might not be typed by someone with the alias "DR BOOST". On the other hand, there is a 1 in 95,562,753,246,721,195,937,549,385 chance that a bunch of computer glitches piled up creating a message with that name on it. BTW, that is something akin to the chance that a bunch of genetic defects could pile up and create man from monkey. But hey... Anything is possible. BTW, some (who like those kind of long odds) have speculated that given enough time, a group of monkeys hammering randomly on a typewriter could eventually create the complete works of shakespeare (again, something akin to the odds involved in evolution). So some guys at a zoo tried it. After quite awhile (a couple of weeks if I remember) they checked to see what they had come up with. Not a single word. Mostly the letters "j" and "s". Mainly they had just crapped on the keys. But again - Anything is possible!

1. If there were hundreds, probably thousands of people who had seen you raise these people. 2. If it had been prophesied centuries in advance that someone like you would come, would be born in the exact city where you were born, would appear and begin your "work" in the exact year that you began, and there were countless other detailed prophecies that were exactly fulfilled in your life. 3. If you spawned a religious movement that came to encompass billions of people in the entire earth. 4. If you did not seek to profit from your actions. 5. If your life and the things going on around you was a matter of established historical record (historians mind you, not just your followers). 6. If you were part of a complex pattern of prophecy and history that once studied is clearly beyond the ability of man to conjur up - remember there were about 40 men involved over a period of 1500 yrs in writing the Bible. 7. and a whole bunch of other things I can't think of off the top of my head. Then yeah. I'd probably believe you. After all, I'd have to be crazy not to!


No prob dude. But remember this - Only a fool believes only what he can see. I don't suppose you believe Tiberias Caesar lived either (obviously you don't since you can't see him)? But FYI, he was named emperor of Rome on Sep 15, 14CE. John (the Baptist) began his historical ministry (which ended with his beheading) 15 years later between August of 28ce and Sep of 29. That is when Jesus was baptized - 29ce. All perfectly believable to me. You don't have to think so. Just don't call it "crap" until you've seriously looked into it. That betrays ignorance. And in return, I won't call evolutionary theory "crap", even tho it is!

Dr.Boost

Ok, obviously your getting too worked up about this to see ANY of my points and we will NEVER get anywhere with this, so I'm done. I always try to stay away from these threads, but something draws me to them.

BTW, do you live in google? :P

or do you really have all of that "crap" stuck in your head?
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d16forlife

People like you are so shure that what they want to believe is true.All that is above wich is a quote from you,how do you think that thats true.So do you believe that Harry Potter really flies on that broom chasing a ball with wings.No.Wny not?There had to of been at least 2000 people in those stands looking at him acording to the book.Do you believe everything you read ?

d16tuner

I'm afraid it would be a waste of time for me to go into detail, cause I don't think you really want to know. There have been a lot of documented things that science cannot explain. So why should the 'miracles' in the Bible be any different. The fact that they cannot be scientifically explained does not mean they cannot happen. Basically, anything we don't understand is a miracle to us. A couple of thousand years ago, an airplane, or a hang glider would have been a miracle, and anyone using one would be viewed as a God - agreed? So what is to say that a couple of thousand years from now, we won't understand how the red sea was parted? Well, we already have an inkling. There was an article done on it in New Scientist Magazine. In 1994, two scientists at the University of Tokyo created an electric field around a tube full of water. It forced the water to the two ends of the cylinder, leaving the center dry. The experiment has since been duplicated in Europe and the US. Guess what the scientists called it? "The Moses Effect".
Still think it is impossible? Do you believe that humans are superior in knowledge and ability than dogs? Or protozoa? Then why do you find it so difficult to believe that there could be something superior to us? And if there could be, then why is it so difficult to believe that it could have created us, the same way we created animals from genetic materials in a lab? Do you really have that big of an ego?
Do you believe that technology is advancing? If you don't, just look at the last century alone! Technology is increasing exponentially! Do you believe that some day scientists might be able to somehow render matter invisible? Or intangible? At will? Cloaking, a la star trek if you will. At the current rate of technological advance, I don't find that difficult to believe at all within a few thousand years. Than why would you find it difficult to believe that another, superior being (as we are to unthinking protozoa) could already be such? Have you read 2001, 2010, and 2061? Good reads - if you can ignore the evolutionary propoganda (again - long disproved and disregarded by most scientists today in favor of PE). If you've read them, you probably found the prospect thrilling, as did I. So why are people so obstinate, I'd like to know, about the prospect of a superior being? Egomaniacs I think!

If God exists, and DID create us (a scientific likelihood imo), then why would he hide himself? If he were to reveal himself, why not do it in the way he chose as recorded in the Bible? It is his decision isn't it?

In my mind, there is no logical reason for disbelief in God. Scientists are supposed to be 'open minded', so anyone who refuses to believe miracles can take place, is no scientist.

Scientists can take two cells, and make a person. So why couldn't the original creator simply reanimate existing cells to bring someone back as Jesus was observed to have done several times?

I don't see what is beyond belief.

More evidence - many have (and ignorant still do) scoffed at the idea of a global flood. Fossils of sea creatures found high in mountains, and flash frozen wildlife from the past have helped to quite the scoffers.

Scientists have found that many skulls which "proved" evolution were actually fakes. People wanted to prove the theory so badly they just made stuff up. So yes, science DOES lie or at least exaggerates and steps around obstacles when scientists feel they need to in order to prove their pet theory. There are a lot of good scientists, but there are many unscrupulous ones as well, just like car mechanics or anyone else who wants to make a name or a quick buck. Scientists have also found skulls (just read about this a few days ago) that were elongated, but they have nothing to do with evolution. How do they know? For one thing, they are too new (not even totally buried). Guess what they would have said if they found these 75 feet down? You guessed it - more proof of cromagnon man! Garbage. Lots of people have funny skulls. Mine is kinda odd. and the ones I was just talking about were elongated intentionally. What does it prove?
Dinosaurs? The bible doesn't say WHICH animals God created, simply that he created them before humans, over an indeterminate period of time. How does that conflict with Dinosaurs? I think dinosaurs are fascinating. I am eyeing a couple of skeletons for my office!

That is total crap. Show me an occurance where it contradicts itself. Don't say it unless you are willing to back it up.
Scientists can more or less take dna from someone's rib and make someone else. So are you saying they are fake too? And yes, we are all the product of incest. Do you even know why incest is unlawful? What happens when people marry close relatives? Genetic mutation (not a good thing regardless of what evolutionists think). Do you know why we mutate? Faulty genes. Do you know why we have faulty genes? Read the bible. But fyi, Adam and Eve didn't have faulty genes. and their children, and grandchildren were pretty close. "incest" wouldn't even be a term then - it was nothing. But if you think I'm stupid. Chew on this. Suppose by a one in a googlezillion chance, a man did evolve thru PE. And by another coincidental one in a googlezillion chance, a woman evolved thru PE as well. And suppose, just suppose that they had both evolved (remember PE requires drastic changes) with almost identical dna which is NECCESSARY for them to breed. Anyway, stick with me because as unbelieveable as it is, this is what it takes to work. Now just suppose that they breed a son and a daughter. Where is the next generation coming from?
LOL.

I'll take God, thanks. But hey, I certainly respect your ability to decide!

Dr.Boost

In one sentence, scientists know all, in the next they know nothing and make stuff up. You make it work for you so well.

Anyways, I believe in god now. Thanks for clearing htis up for me.

Anybody want to discuss aliens and their existance?
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