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Loserkidwac 09-13-2008 04:21 AM

Re: Flash944's attack on a 50 MPG beater
 
Can I play? I should post my build on here...but i didn't think anyone would car lol...I swaped an auto Del Sol S to a VX D15z1 and trans...I get 50mpg on the Highway and 40mpg with city driving...an I have a targa top :-P

onlyflash944 09-13-2008 12:02 PM

Re: Flash944's attack on a 50 MPG beater
 

Originally Posted by Mista Bone
93 DX HB, 53 mpg is easy.........also had 121 whp and stock compression.

Yo DO NOT want the 3.25 FD unless you plan on running no higher than 4th gear.

But Bone, I WANT a theoretical top speed of 220


You keep saying this, is it you are worried that the fuel consumption will be greater cruising in 5th than in 4th? I understand the concern that at that low of an RPM the efficiency takes a ----, but I want to see exactly what the difference is. I was planning on doing a test in 4th only then one in 5th. Then add something to increase the effective compression ratio and see the difference. Of course making boost at 2k might be a challenge.

Jorsher 09-13-2008 12:23 PM

Re: Flash944's attack on a 50 MPG beater
 
I wish valves were electronically controlled instead of mechanical... I understand mechanical is a bit more reliable than electronic, but theoretically if valves were controlled by the ECU (---- vtack), wouldn't you be able to maximize efficiency? Also, while cruising, I'd *guess* you'd be able to keep the exhaust/intake valves open and cut the fuel to some of the cylinders and not lose as much power due to compression.

onlyflash944 09-13-2008 12:26 PM

Re: Flash944's attack on a 50 MPG beater
 

Originally Posted by Jorsher
I wish valves were electronically controlled instead of mechanical... I understand mechanical is a bit more reliable than electronic, but theoretically if valves were controlled by the ECU (---- vtack), wouldn't you be able to maximize efficiency? Also, while cruising, I'd *guess* you'd be able to keep the exhaust/intake valves open and cut the fuel to some of the cylinders and not lose as much power due to compression.

Great ideas and yes if you were able to change the valve timing and lift continuously, then you could definitely pick up some efficiency. However, I would imagine the displacement on demand is geared more toward the big v-8 boys instead of the 4 bangers. I’m not sure how well that would work, but it would be neat to try.

Jorsher 09-13-2008 12:32 PM

Re: Flash944's attack on a 50 MPG beater
 

Originally Posted by onlyflash944
Great ideas and yes if you were able to change the valve timing and lift continuously, then you could definitely pick up some efficiency. However, I would imagine the displacement on demand is geared more toward the big v-8 boys instead of the 4 bangers. I’m not sure how well that would work, but it would be neat to try.

Every little bit helps. I doubt I need all 4 cylinders going down the interstate at 4000rpm. Definitely wouldn't be as helpful as using that on v8s, however I directed it at engines in general not any specific size or displacement.

beaker 09-13-2008 12:35 PM

Re: Flash944's attack on a 50 MPG beater
 
if im not mistaking.....new bmw's already have continuous variable valve timing

Jorsher 09-13-2008 12:38 PM

Re: Flash944's attack on a 50 MPG beater
 

Originally Posted by dtrain
if im not mistaking.....new bmw's already have continuous variable valve timing

If they came out with VTEC for the NSX, I hope they come out with some continuously variable valve timing on the new one.

Hitchhikkr 09-13-2008 03:32 PM

Re: Flash944's attack on a 50 MPG beater
 

Originally Posted by Jorsher
I wish valves were electronically controlled instead of mechanical... I understand mechanical is a bit more reliable than electronic, but theoretically if valves were controlled by the ECU (---- vtack), wouldn't you be able to maximize efficiency? Also, while cruising, I'd *guess* you'd be able to keep the exhaust/intake valves open and cut the fuel to some of the cylinders and not lose as much power due to compression.

Its existed for a long time. But just like every technology in the automotive industry, it will be years more before its implemented, IE before its profitable for auto companies to invest in. Pneumatic valves are faster though.

http://scarbsf1.com/valves/ilmor_pne...comparison.jpg

http://www.pureluckdesign.com/ferrar...lvesystem1.jpg

Once again, old tech. But 17,000rpms is FTW. O0



----, buick invented variable valve timing in the 1920's. Now damn near every mid-high end car on the market has it. fuk ur vtak. :P






onlyflash944 09-14-2008 03:39 PM

Re: Flash944's attack on a 50 MPG beater
 

Originally Posted by Jorsher
Every little bit helps. I doubt I need all 4 cylinders going down the interstate at 4000rpm. Definitely wouldn't be as helpful as using that on v8s, however I directed it at engines in general not any specific size or displacement.

Just fyi, 70mph with my gear setup is 2200rpm in 5th, 2700rpm in 4th. This is with 195 60 14s, and that might change. I might undersize the tires a bit to help get the rpms up and reduce the unsprung weight. I'm just going to have to do some research and see how that will change the rolling resistance. I've got a nice selection of 14s from all the cars/wheels i've bought so I should have something that will be useful lying around. Might see about some 13s too.

Guy-Fast 09-14-2008 08:24 PM

Re: Flash944's attack on a 50 MPG beater
 
Im a little suspect of your transmission choice. jdm d15b non vtec originally dual carb motor w/ d16z6 manifold set up and si transmission was in mid 40's on a stock pm6 ecu. Car ran like total ---- with the origninal hf transmission o2 sensor codes that went away with the change to the si transmission. Also driveability with the si transmission made it worth driving. hf was a waste. Gas mileage is one thing having a car that is slower than a mini van is another.


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