Civic with h22
 

Im kinda new with imports and such so be patient with me ; )... i was just wondering if i get an H22 engine from a prelude and stick it in a civic EX what kind of HP would I be running also id like an estimate of how it would do on the quarter mile.

Re:Civic with h22
 

185whp and high 13's in the 1/4 mile, that's my guess.

Stan

Re:Civic with h22
 

stock h22's traditionally put down somewhere in the 160's whp.

I suggest searching some other sites for general swap info, such as honda-tech.com and honda.hybrids.jp

read all the FAQ's and if specific questions come to mind try doing a search of their message boards.

Read as much as you can. welcome

Re:Civic with h22
 

if you take the h22 out of the prelude and put it in the civic the hp will be the same buddy :-*, but your looking at a 13 sec car for sure. even 12's maybe with some slicks

i would do a search before u post out questions like that. just turbo what you got :P

Re:Civic with h22
 

non SH 200hp SH 220hp :o

Here is a list of the B series if you want...

88-91HF
88-91CRX-HF D15B6 1493cc
4 cyl, 8 valve
SOHC
9.1:1 c.r.
PGM -FI (DPFI 88-89)
PGM-FI (MPFI 90+)
88-89
62 bhp @ 4500
70 bhp @ 4500
Redline: 6800 rpm
83 lb-ft @ 3000

88-91DX
88-91LX D15B2 1493cc
4 cyl, 16 valve
SOHC
9.2:1 c.r.
PGM-F! (DPFI)
92 bhp @ 6000
Redline: 6800 rpm 89 lb-ft @ 4500

88-91Si
88-91CRX Si D16A6 1590cc
4 cyl, 16 valve
SOHC
9.1:1 c.r.
PGM-FI (MPFI)
108 bhp @ 6000
Redline: 7100 rpm 100 lb-ft @ 5000

88-91Si16-1.6i
88-91CRX Si16-1.6i
(Asian specs)
90-93 Integra LS
90-93 Integra RS ZC
D16A8/A9 1595cc
4 cyl, 16 valve
DOHC
9.:1 c.r.
PGM-FI (MPFI)
137 bhp @ 6800
Redline: 7200 rpm 108 lb-ft @ 5700

90-91 Civic Si-R (EF-9)
90-91 CRX Si-R (EF-8/9) ZCG
B16A1 1595cc
4 cyl, 16 valve
DOHC VTEC
10.4:1 c.r.
PGM-FI (MPFI)
160 bhp @ 7600
Redline: 8200 rpm 111 lb-ft @ 7000

90-91 Integra GS B18B 1834cc
4 cyl, 16 valve
DOHC
9.2:1 c.r.
PGM-FI (MPFI)
130 bhp @ 6000
Redline: 6500 rpm 121 lb-ft @ 5000

92-93 Integra GS B18B1 1834cc
4 cyl, 16 valve
DOHC
9.2:1 c.r.
PGM-FI (MPFI)
140 hp @ 6300
Redline: 6800 rpm 121 lb-ft @ 5200

92-95 Civic CX D15B8 1493cc
4 cyl, 8 valve
SOHC
9.1:1 c.r.
PGM-FI (MPFI)
70 bhp @ 4500
Redline: 6500 rpm 83 lb-ft @ 3000

92-95 Civic DX
92-95 Civic LX D15B7 1493cc
4 cyl, 16 valve
SOHC
9.2:1 c.r.
PGM-FI (MPFI)
102 bhp @ 5900
Redline: 6800 rpm 98 lb-ft @ 5000

92-95 Civic VX D15Z1 1493cc
4 cyl, 16 valve
SOHC VTEC-E
9.3:1 c.r.
PGM-FI (MPFI)
92 bhp @ 5500
Redline: 7000 rpm 97 lb-ft @ 4500

92-95 Civic Si
92-95 Civic Ex
93-95 Del Sol Si D16Z6 1590cc
4 cyl, 16 valve
SOHC VTEC
9.2:1 c.r.
PGM-FI (MPFI)
125 bhp @ 6600

Redline: 7200 rpm 106 lb-ft @ 5200
92-95 Civic VTi
(Asian ver, EG6)
92-95 Civic Si-R
(JDM EG6)

93-95 Del Sol VTEC
(EG2)
B16A2/A3 1595cc
4 cyl, 16 valve
DOHC VTEC
10.4:1 c.r.
PGM-FI (MPFI)
160 bhp @ 7600
Redline: 8200 rpm 111 lb-ft @ 7000

92-93 Integra GS-R B17 1678cc
4 cyl, 16 valve
DOHC VTEC
10.0:1 c.r.
PGM-FI (MPFI)
160 bhp @ 7600
Redline: 8000 rpm 117 lb-ft @ 7000

94+ Integra LS/RS/GS
(DC2/DB8)
B18B1 1834cc
4 cyl, 16 valve
DOHC
9.2:1 c.r.
PGM-FI (MPFI)
142 hp @ 6300
Redline: 6800 rpm 127 lb-ft @ 5200
94+ Integra GS-R
(DC2/DB8)

B18C1 1797cc
4 cyl, 16 valve
DOHC VTEC
10.0:1 c.r.
PGM-FI (MPFI)
Dual stage intake
170 bhp @ 7600
Redline: 8200 rpm 128lbs-ft @ 6200

96+ Civic CX/DX/LX D16Y7 1590cc
4 cyl, 16 valve
SOHC
9.4:1 c.r.
PGM-FI (MPFI)
106 bhp @ 6200
Redline: 7100 rpm 103 lb-ft @ 4600

96+ Civic HX D16Y 1590cc
4 cyl, 16 valve
SOHC VTEC-E
9.4:1 c.r.
PGM-FI (MPFI)
115 bhp @ 6200
Redline: 7100 rpm 104 lb-ft @ 5400

96+ Civic EX
(EJ8) D16Y8 1590cc
4 cyl, 16 valve
SOHC VTEC-II
9.6:1 c.r.
PGM-FI (MPFI)
127 bhp @ 6600
Redline: 7200 rpm 107 lb-ft @ 5500

96+ Civic Si-RII
(EK4 Asian ver) B16A4 1595cc
4 cyl, 16 valve
DOHC VTEC
10.4:1 c.r.
170 bhp @ 7800
Redline: 8200 rpm 16Nm @ 7300

98+ Integra Type-R (JDM, DC2R) B18C
98 Spec-R 1797cc
4 cyl, 16 valve
DOHC VTEC
10.0:1 c.r.
PGM-FI (MPFI)
210 bhp @ 8100
Redline: 8900 rpm 18.5Nm @ 7500

98+ Civic Type-R
(EK9)
B16B
98 Spec-R 1595cc
4 cyl, 16 valve
DOHC VTEC
10.4:1 c.r.
185 bhp @ 8200
Redline: 9000 rpm 16.3Nm @ 7600

2001 Civic EX D17A 1668cc
4 cyl, 16 valve
SOHC VTEC-II
9.9:1 c.r.
PGM-FI (MPFI)
Direct Fire Ignition
127 bhp @ 6300
Redline: 7100 rpm 114 lb-ft @ 4800

2001 Civic DX/LX D17A 1668cc
4 cyl, 16 valve
SOHC
9.5:1 c.r.
PGM-FI (MPFI)
Direct Fire Ignition
115 bhp @ 6100
Redline: 7100 rpm 110 lb-ft @ 4500

2001 Integra RSX
Type S
(DC5)
K20A2 1998cc
4 cyl, 16 valve
DOHC i-VTEC
9.5:1 c.r.
PGM-FI (MPFI)
Direct Fire Ignition
200 bhp @ 7000
Redline: 7900 rpm 142 lb-ft @6000
2001 Integra RSX
(DC5)

2002 Civic Si
(EP3)
K20A3 1998cc
4 cyl, 16 valve
DOHC i-VTEC
9.5:1 c.r.
PGM-FI (MPFI)
Direct Fire Ignition
160 bhp @ 6600
Redline: 6800 rpm 132 lb-ft @5000

Re:Civic with h22
 

? whered you get that ?
I suggest having at least a hint of knowledge in what youre talking about.

Re:Civic with h22
 

well the fact that my best friend has a H22A in his civic all stock puts out 200 hp ::)

Re:Civic with h22
 

wow, thanks guys all the replies have been more then helpful and i think thats what im going to do i got a 1969 mustang coupe that i can sell for like 7k and im hoping to get a civic from a friend who belongs to a theft recovery acution for around 3.5k and and that would leave me more then enough for a h22 engine and maybe even a decent turbo.. = ) that would probably put me in or close to an 11 sec car.

Re:Civic with h22
 

how exactly did you get that crank power figure?
go learn something before you spew bs.

Re:Civic with h22
 

Canada and US motors are different. Yes the USDM Prelude VTEC has 160HP.. don't know the JDM specs, too lazy too look it up.

Did you ever think about how much that H22 will throw your car's balancing off? Great for the dragstrip, but for everyday driving?

Re:Civic with h22
 

JDM H22 Vtec has 220 HP stock. I remember because I was thinking of putting one in my CRX at one point, then realized how stupid it would be for everyday use.

Re:Civic with h22
 

A guy on another board I frequent has a 2.3 in an eg he built for a track car and the weight is not as far off as youd think, you just need to take extra care of suspension, corner weighting helps.

chp on any stock h22 on the planet does not come close to 200.
usdm versions topped out at factory rated chp of 200 fairly sure jdm version of same motor was 210.

Re:Civic with h22
 

the 90-91 teg is a b18a1 not b18b

Re:Civic with h22
 

wrong!...

B18B = JDM
B18B1 = USDM

Re:Civic with h22
 

us americans have to fall back on our b18a1s in our shitty RS/LS 2g integras

Re:Civic with h22
 

" Integra LS/GS/RS 1990-1993 B18A "

http://www.hondaswap.com/forums/inde...0&#entry273894

OWNED, BIATCH

Re:Civic with h22
 

BIG DEAL!

yeah I know 90-93 there b18a's not b's and that 94-00 are b18b's

---- I didn't see the year! big ------- deal!... ::)

Re:Civic with h22
 

You're just mad cuz you got your ass handed to ya ;)

Re:Civic with h22
 

a b18b1 head owns my b18a1 block

Re:Civic with h22
 

yeah! lol... cause you giving me ---- cause I didn't bother looking at the year he was talking about... ::) :-\

Re:Civic with h22
 

I'll be putting my GF's Built H22 in her hatchback next week. Should be fun ;D

Re:Civic with h22
 

You're documenting that ----, right AbaZ?

Re:Civic with h22
 

wow i can't believe some said that an SH made 220 hp. ::) and a stock h22 makes around 176 whp.

Re:Civic with h22
 

When have I never did a write up on a project? ::)

Re:Civic with h22
 

Jeff you should know how much a H22A makes, the SH and the non SH, JDM and USDM

Re:Civic with h22
 

im not exactly sure how my whp it has but genrally most prelude motors have 190hp at the crank. only the jdm h22 type s and the euro accord type r h22 put out 220hp. thats also to the crank. putting an h22 in your civic WIll not throw off your car's balance. it only weights something like 60 lbs heavier. people just over exaggerate just because its an h22 whoopty doo. bone stock h22 in my homeboys 93 civic vx went 13.8's. so in a coupe it'll be a low 14 sec pass on street tires. or mid to low 13's with some drag radials or some slicks. that should answer all your questions.

Re:Civic with h22
 

im not really sure how much bhp a prelude has over in japan but i do know that there is no prelude here in the states that has over 200hp. If you were going to do a swap and put an h22 engine in your civic expect some work to be done. Your going to need a kit and some engine mount just to get that engine in that civic. Expect your ac and power steering to be gone because it just wont fit in there. And it will be a little heavy on the fron end but they do have some kits to fix that. There also going to be some hacking in the engine department as well. I was once interested in doing the same. but it was too costly and i could make more power boosting my civic then putting an h22 engine in there. but if that doesn't matter to you read up on these site and research.

Hybrid Honda http://tech.hybridgarage.com/tech/index.html

This is a good one here... http://www.ardperformance.com/cgi-bi...c.pl?serial=14

Re:Civic with h22
 

heavy up front. yeah it'll drop your car in the front. only because its like 60 lbs heavier than a regular b series swap. have u ever seen a b16 or b18 in a civic. it also drops the front a bit. there are many ways of going about this. get custom spring rates for the car. thats what my cousin and friends did. boosted sohc in the high 13's. possible. but its not easier than u think. u need slicks. it will not grip. so on the street the h22 civic will win. on a roll the turbo civic would fly by. and the h22 swap is only 3300 if u do everything yourself. that includes everything. if u do it yourself. but if u dont then your looking at 4500. and u can keep ac and possibly power steering. u might have to hack something for powersteering in an eg. but im sure in an ek u can keep both. kept ps in my cousins h22 Integra

Re:Civic with h22
 

lol... stock h22 in a VX should have easily brought him to a low 13 second pass..

stock ls/vtec netted me a 13.700 @ 100 in a vx 2.13 60 foot.

Re:Civic with h22
 

your WRONG i OWNED a 91 integra dipshit

Re:Civic with h22
 

i think they call it traction issues hahaha

Re:Civic with h22
 

i dont know about the h22 going faster. there are a couple of locals here with them, and they are getting beat up on by usdm itr swaps. (yes i know the itr swap costs more)

actually 1 guy just finished his swap 2 months ago, and already sold the car... because it wasnt fast.

thumbsdown to the h22

Re:Civic with h22
 

you just prove my point. It cost more money to put an h22 engine in a civic to just make 200 hp than to boost your civic and make well over 200 hp. With 3400-4000 g's i could make my civic a hell of alot faster with that much money than putting a prelude engine in my car. :-\

Re:Civic with h22
 

http://www.pix8.net/files/special olimp.jpg

so you wanna Prelude, or u just wanna go fast. myself and many others can help you spend your money and go faster :)

I thought that the SH model was just an up-graded suspension version. bigger brakes and stiffer spring rates and that kinda ----. Im not getting in this arguement.

http://cars.start.at/prelude.html

Re:Civic with h22
 

nobodies arguing? ??? were just stating our opinions.

Re:Civic with h22
 

Hey! That kid must be Kain's little brother, look at my avatar, notice the resemblence? ;)

Re:Civic with h22
 

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well the d series can be reliable if you tune it well and not up the boost. I say 8 psi max would make it really reliable. And your right the h22 has more potential to make more power because of its stock horsepower but if you were going to turbo it it cant handle as much boost as a d and that would require engine work. Its actually cheaper to build the d series than the h22. Building the d would make it more realiable so you wouldn't have to worry about that anymore. basically they both have there strong points. But my point is that you could make more power paying much less with the d. But like i said if you can afford it and moneys no issue then by all means do what you want...i just said i changed my mind because it was too much for me. :)

Re:Civic with h22
 

but yeah with turbo. u still have to think about the load. and u cant beat it all the time. even a built motor. some motors just dont last long. u can beat an h22 all day. you can do that with a turbo car. your bound to blow something. theres soo many variable's when it comes to turbo. have so many things that could go wrong. im not here to start in argument so this will be my last post in the post. haha. unless something gets me heated

Re:Civic with h22
 

I'm down with creativity and all but wouldnt you rather do a b16 or a b18c swap in your car than a h22a? A good buddy of mine put a b18c in his 93 hatch and it stayed dead even with my roomates 98 gst (even did a few passes with different drivers). H22a's are great engines in preludes but the cost doesn't match the performance in a civic. Once you pay for mounts and shift linkages you have spent way more money than you would have if you would have just bought a B16 and done some minor bolt ons. Good luck on your setup though.