BBKA is back! He swapped to a DOHC!
 

Haha yeah right... ---- teh B-series! :P

So where have I been? Long story short, I got a real job and moved out. This all happened about the time Jeff got all his ---- jacked, so he was talking about getting out of the car scene and I was bored with my car. I didn't have the money or motivation to do anything car related, I guess that's why I haven't posted on here in so long. HMT is like a family and I just didn't want to half ass post and flake out on everybody when it came to HMT events, so I said ---- anything car related. Plus I had other ---- to deal with like my old job and court ---- (that's why I currently don't have my license), but that's a whole different story I'd rather not get into.

Anyways so back to cars. I am sick of my car, it's way too slow for me and I have done just about everything I can on my stock motor, so that means it's time to step up to a built motor. I'm getting another daily driver coupe soon (end of next month probably) for a really good price, so I can build mine, trade it, or sell it for a hatch. As for the motor I am either going to go with my current D16z6 or say ---- it and go B-series. My goals in the 1/4 mile are going to be 10's and 130mph and my goals on the dyno will be 350whp on pump gas and 500whp on race gas, but the only goal I really want to hit would be 10's, so if the others are a little off that would be okay.

I have done more research than you can shake a stick at and I know I could reach my goals with a D16z6, but it's going to cost me a lot more, be harder, and I would be more worried about breaking things. My main concern is the cylinder head and how much it will cost to get built right, because for the power I want I will need an extremely good head and very efficient turbo setup. I will be going with stock sleeves no matter what motor I go with, D-series or B-series. I'll be running pump gas most of the time, so again it will be harder to reach my goals with the SOHC. I have already planned on a gt30r, which will easily reach my goals on a DOHC and would come very close with my SOHC.

Everybody and their mom has a DOHC swapped hatch, so if I can do it with a SOHC coupe I think I would be happier, but I know it will cost me more in the long run. I am like the hardcore SOHC for life guy lol, so if I went DOHC I don't know if I could ever forgive myself. I talked with Jeff who has done 2 SOHC buildt motors and he said not to ---- around and go B-series, then you have hotrex's and stevemode's failed attempts at a SOHC build. I think I would like the challenge more if I stuck with my SOHC and I just think it would be more badass to have the original motor that came in the car still in there. Plus I love the look on people's faces when they find out I have a D-series motor, specially when I smoke their DOHC. ;D

So what do you guys think?

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I think you should stay D. Owning bitches with the under dog is always fun.

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I kinda want to keep my coupe also, but a VX/CX hatch would be so much lighter. All I know is that when I get my friend's coupe I am going to gut the ---- out of my car or get a hatch to gut the ---- out of, so I can throw a cage in something lol.

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I would go b series, better trannies, more efficient, better all around. but if your that hard core into d's then do that

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D-series is crack :6

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Your whole post is how I feel all the time. How fun it would be to own nignogs with a D series, yet then wonder how much better the B series would have been. Granted, my D series was the first motor I ever built, so I blew it up, but I still feel the same way all the time.

I have no advice.

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Go D-series, i plan on building my d-series (d16y8) sometime this summer or maybe next year right now i'm looking into a GT2871R though. my goal is only ~300whp anything more is just icing on a cake. Hopefully i can be in the 11's, 12's will be fine though i just want a decently quick daily driver. i should be picking up some brand new eagle rods/srp pistons pretty soon, probably will end up selling the pistons though. Hey if it doesn't work out you could always part out your motor and come out close to even and go b-series right? lol

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D series, definately... I mean, unless you want to be like every other swapped civic out there ;)

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I already have a Quaife LSD, so my tranny should be fine. I guess I am just trying to get moral support on what I should do. I really want to stay D-series, but I'm not going to lie, a B-series would be a smarter choice.

It just pisses me off when these DOHC guys talk ---- and say SOHC motors are worthless, when I know that just isn't true. ZEX Man is a good example... he ran 10.3 @ 148mph with a D16z6... that's 9's.

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yeah when i had my CRX I kept it D series just bc of the reliability and how simple they are to work on. I think they are a good motor no doubt, every honda motor is to me in some aspects.

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sitck with your D man. I was going to slap you if you really went to B :P

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I used to feel this way, its cool to be the underdog but in reality who gives a ----? In the long run your going to be able to go faster for cheaper than a D. So in the end it doesn't matter what engine your using, all that matters is the times your running.

If you stay D your only handicapping yourself if your goal is to build a fast car. But than again if you want to prove a point than stay D. I will admit if you stayed with the D it would be cooler, but I only say that becuase its your money not mine. ;)

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i'm fully building a Z6 right now. but not on stock sleeves....i'll let you know if i hit the 350hp i'm aiming for.

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This is another very good point I have considered. Once I hit my goals then what? I would have way more potential with a B-series motor if I wanted to go faster, and people always do. :)

If I do end up swapping I am defintely going with a hatch, that should save me another 300lbs. I still have a little time left before I make any big decisions. Parting my current car out will be the first step.

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does that bitch still run? :o ---- that has to be the most reliable turbo-d i've heard of.. and i know you don't baby that thing too!

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nice to see you back, you changed a lot of minds on the d-series stock potential. whatever you do thumbs up man!

NAte

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Id find a CX/VX some super light hatch and go built D with it.You need what like 450-500whp in a light hatch to run 10's?Sounds doable with the right turbo.

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+1 :6.

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Yeah it's still running. I am pretty suprised considering I use my rev limiter for full throttle launches and full throttle shifting lol. I left a dowel pin out when I changed my headgasket too haha. I was just getting the last head stud torqued down when I looked over on my toolbox and thought that probably should have been put back. I got one in there I think. :)

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Pat, honestly think about it. the only reason you really want to stay d series is for a pat on the back (no pun intended) who gives a ----. go b series make more power have more fun and with a shitload of reliablitly. and not have to worry about blowing headgaskets left and right (d series have a serious probablem with that, ask zex man.. he has blown a few himself!)

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You have a good tuner



The d build would be bad ass but ya your gonna have to do a wild top end to reach your goals.

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Well here was "Arturbo" posting on honda-tech... "98 Integra 2410lbs, 505whp I ran 10.49@137mph", that and that fact that I run pretty decent times without a lot of power in a heavy car amkes me not that worried about getting a hatch, but I agree it would be very helpful. I am going to focus a lot on suspension and getting all that to work, so I won't need a ---- ton of horsepower. I want to keep it under 135mph anyways because I don't want to have to get a 9sec license and all that other crap you need.

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Pat even though i was a little buzzed last night, you should still take my advise :)

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what was your advice?

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Your right, I'm not going to lie. The big reason I want to stay SOHC is because everybody says they are worthless and I want to build a sick ass car and shove it back in their face! I talk so much ---- about DOHC people that I feel like I would be letting them win lol... It's not just that though, there are other reasons. I do know about the headgasket issue, but I think with a good build and tuning I should be okay. The Full-Race pinks car didn't seem to have problems and Jeff Evans says he wouldn't be worried about 500+whp on stock d-series sleeves, but then again I would still be a little worried.

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I know I know... :-\

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He said not to ---- around and go B-series.

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Even though you may not know me since I've seen you on here very few times; you and your car I credit to making me turbo my single. The times and the fact a single ran 12s. Depending on the .63/.60 and what it puts out on my car I may be looking at borrowing slicks and aiming for 12s. We'll see.


As for you, I was wide-eyed reading the topic and glad to see you were kidding. Represent the D. Keep your trick single stick and let the one cam wonder live on. :y


JP

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---- a single cam.. they are good for messing around with, but if you want good numbers you have to go b series. less boost = more power, less work the turbo has to do.

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Glad you're back. I say do what you want, which would be buildin the dirty D into a DOHC smoker.

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Those are perfect examples of what not to do, and the fact that you aren't hotrex or stevemode is the reason why you will succeed. I don't think a 350-500 whp D16 is going to be particularly expensive, although you are going to run into some interesting ignition tuning issues. Nothing you aren't equipped to handle with your experience and knowledge.

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Yeah I don't have much hands on experiance, but I think I have read and seen enough to know this whole car thing isn't that hard if you pick the right parts and take your time.

Example... http://forums.evans-tuning.com/viewtopic.php?t=3145

This is pretty close to a setup I would go with and with a few tweaks could get me to my goals or very close.

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i dont know man. to me i dont build my car to beat other honda's i could really care less. i would much rather get the respect from beating a fast v8 or domestic. and they could give two shits if your car is D or B its still a honda to them. my old all motor crx ran 12.60's should have seen the looks on there faces when i told them it was all motor.

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good to see you back, pat. Hope you get your ---- cleared up with court and whatnot. I have some stuff going on like that too so i hear ya

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Yeah the V8 guys are more impressed that I have a full interior coupe instead of a gutted hatch. They probably don't care about what motor I have, but the honda guys I meet at the track are pretty impressed by the stock sohc. Plus I have a few DOHC rivalries up north I wouldn't mind racing. ;)

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like someone else said your handicapping yourself with a D. Plus you have more tuning ability cause you got another cam to work with.

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listen to this nignog.

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Joseph Davis is just mad cause he's like 83 years old.



You can't fade the shuttle bitchboy. 8)

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Replacement parts for d-series engines are always going to be cheaper.

Keep your tranny, keep most of your setup and just add a nice piston/rod combo, some head work, and a nice turbo. Doesn't get any cheaper than that.

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I don't think it will be that simple for my goals. I could just get a bigger turbo and rods/pistons with a little headwork (cams, springs, retainers) and hit 300whp and 11's no problem, but I want more than that.