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I don't give a ----, I just thought this pic deserved its own thread:

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hahah love it! what are the tree big ones asking for? 30 billion or some ----!? i think chrystler is the only one that has presented a plan to show what they are going to do with it and why they need it
seems like GM is saying give us money or we close up shop and ---- america

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Ford out of the 3 will be fine. Gm is fucked. Who wants to buy a buick what a waste

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Aint that the truth.

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lol

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Just a rundown on the actuals of it:

-One week asked for 25 billion and got ---- on for flying in on private jets. Come back next month.

-Came back next month driving hippie cars, and the price has gone up to 35 billion

-The government WILL end up giving them 15 billion, which will be enough for them to say they did something, and also enough for the companies to blame the gov. for not granting the 35 billion they said they needed. Both sides get out of scrutiny, and Americans lose.

-Stock up on frozen ----, water, cash money, and guns.

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Nothings going to help them out, they cant build a quality car the should fail.

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dont you work at a dealership?

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Yeahhhhhhhh GM/Subaru

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My opinion is they have had many many years to change their ways, or restructure their operations. Giving them money is just delaying the enevitible. The CEO's will probably take a good chunk when they go under. They need to fail and have their assetts purchased by independent companies that can turn around and build cars without the unions. I heard on the radio that GM sold an unprofitable auto plant to toyota with the stipulation that 50% of the production would be branded for GM. They fired all the employees there and Toyota rehired the exact same people sans union and began turning a profit even after the 50% loss of production. Another report I heard said it takes honda 1 hour to switch from making mini-vans in a plant to making small passenger cars. For GM to do this take a 1 year and about 2 million.

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i work at a Honda dealer... and i think i speak for everyone there: ----'EM! dont give them a dime. they go under, we will continue to sell/service cars, and even sell more once these dumbass's loose there choice to buy a shitty ass GM/Chrysler/Ford :y

Toyota and Nissan are already making quality trucks. once the "big three" go under, everyone will step up there game to fill in the gaps that are missing in the market (diesel trucks, work vans, etc)... bet you see a Cummin's diesel in Toyota trucks next year ;)

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hahah they also fired the ceo that they were paying 7 million a year!

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One of three will be around no matter what happens, Ford actually builds solid cars now. I have had alot of friends/family with them and I actually like alot of their products.


Most southerners wont be caught in a Tundra for a truck. Gm is a mess is meant to fail. Dodge can survive with a major scale down proably 75 percent of its workforce and majority of current cars they build.

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i might see Ford coming threw this.

GM... doubt they make it out alive.

Chrysler... we already bailed them out once!

they make way too much crap. "wow that [insert crap] at the auto show was kinda cool"... in 2 weeks they are building them, and the 3 people that can afford them that liked them buy them. seems to me they have too many of those cars...

both GM and Chrysler seem over-diversified. too many brands, too many models. and not enough people buying to need that many. IF they are alive next week, they need to cut down all there cars to like 5 different one, concentrate on making them GOOD CARS. then maybe rebuild up to more models...


you want a GM/Ford/Dodge truck next year (or dont wanna be seen in a Toyota/Nissan)? dont worry, sure there will be plenty of used till you get warmed up to a Japanese truck...

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Change is tough, but at one time a company made tons of money making typewriters too. ---- em.

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I agree. The money could be much better spent on upgrading our failing infrastructures and funding education. Let them close the doors and file for bankruptcy. I doubt they will be going anywhere. The buildings are still going to be there, the machinery, equiptment, and workforce. This might give them a chance to break the stranglehold of the unions and be competitive with Honda and Toyota. The average GM worker makes something like $78 per hour with all of the benefits. The average Honda worker gets like $35. I don't remember the exact numbers but it isn't even close. I will argue with anyone but my opinion is that GM puts out some DAMN good cars today. They fucked themselves by creating a bad reputation in the past couple decades and letting the union wear the pants.

However, if the doors do happen to close for good...as a soon to be, mechanical engineer, i am worried about having a huge base of damn good experienced engineers looking for any job they can find. I've already got a job lined up but i would be nervous for my classmates. Also, think about the suppliers that rely on their business. Companies that have done the right thing, innovated, and been competitive. Now they may be forced to close the doors.

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UAW = Cancer

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rsmith is right, its not the cars or quality or sales. its the unions that fucked the big three.

GM sold more cars than toyota up until a couple months ago.

i read somewhere that the average GM employee counting all benefits costs GM ~140-165k a year. the average toyota worker costs toyota ~65k a year.

thats the problem. unions are lame, they were good for something 50 years ago. now they are a waste. they are communist organizations. and i laugh in the face of all the clowns with proud to be union stickers all over their trucks. pretty soon they'll be proud to be out of a job.

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unions and the faggots who blindly follow them fucked themselves over.

i hope they dont' get a bailout and all go bankrupt and start over without the UAW. big govt losers

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agreed. when you pay some retard 30 bucks an hour + overtime + pension + health care + vacation + 401K + whatever to torque on lug nuts, it's really no wonder you can't turn a ------- profit. greed took this company right into the shitter. wagoner himself said that they didn't put anywhere near the time/effort/R&D $'s into the american family car because the trucks were the most profitable. during the 80's and 90's, american cars had flinstone transmissions, and their rep took a huge hit. they'll be lucky if they ever get consumer confidence back up enough to break even.

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The UAW is trying to latch on to Toyota and Honda now. Unions are extortionist looters. GM actually found it more cost efficent here to lay off something like 5k union workers, pay them 2 years pay and whatever other severance ---- the UAW made GM agree to, rather than have them work for their money. It's pretty fucked up when it's more efficient for a company to pay thousands of workers to do nothing for a few years rather than having them actually produce something.

When I was a kid in the 90's I remember the UAW striking or threatening to strike every other month on the news. There was always a few weeks a year that my aunt stayed home from work because some local branch of the UAW was striking. Now all the jobs are gone and all of the old GM employees bitch about it, when it's their fault that they're almost dead.

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The japs who run toyota/honda are way ahead of the game to fail the same route that GM is facing with its workforce. I dont know the #'s but I wonder how many employees to car ratio's are built by GM vs Yota/Honda/Nissan




Gm needs to get broken up into smaller companies run by guys who dont have their heads stuck in 1987.

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The only way they're going to pull that off successfully is by pulling out of America all together and selling on an import only basis. Which I don't doubt that they'll do. Chinese cars are probably in our near future.

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unions are gay for $78 or what ever dollars they pay the employee the union get 30 of it thats a big chunk so working in a honda/toyota factory after all of the deductions you will make the same amount of money.

gm/ford/Chrysler is stupid for feeding communist unions the dam government needs to make these unions obsolete but they wont there communist them selves its all about just steeling the average JOE'S money

if the feds bail out GM we are paying for it in some way! screw this communist government :7

and like stealthmode said stock up on GUNS AMMO CASH and ----! cuz after new years they are making som gay ass law so it will be harder to buy guns or you cant any more some gay ass communist ----

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are you ------- retarded

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before you quote go do some research

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their dues are .803%. do you even know how a union works? stop doing the thizzle dance and do some goddamn reading.

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id rock a tundra with a cummins all day long. they would sell alot of trucks if they were smart enough to do that.

GM deserves to go out of business for being such a gay company. what do they make other then the corvette thats worth a ----? same with dodge/chrysler (not jeep).

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kinda dumb becuase toyota is like the 3rd largest builder of diesel engines in the world

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Where is your research that says unions get 30 dollars an hour from their employees pay.

The unions are the reason that the amercan companies are in the position that they are in. I paid for four years of engineering school and perform a skilled task and started out of school making 50K a year that is about 25 dollars an hour. What does a tire installer or a seat installer make 35 or 40 an hour plus primo benifits, all they do is follow the simplest instructions that can be made and never have to use their brain to make a decision. That job should be paid about 15-20 dollars an hour tops.

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yet they dont have any diesel powered vehicles in the US (i dont think).

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hino

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the future big 3, unless they import the chinese/indian cars

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they'll fail too if they let the unions in

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Those countries cant even build a exhaust manifold a car is never going to come from those ---- holes. Im confident ford will pull through and be a strong company


Gm brands need to be broken into smaller companies. Corvettes,Hummers and Caddilac's will always sell but we have already seen one ass backwards company cant control products that should sell. If gm would of had one just one Small compact car that sold well like the Civic,Camry,Ford focus they would have a chance. It takes years to develop a following for a new car and the government thinks these guys can create something in 3-6 months :1



The idea of the Chevy volt is cool but with the economy going to be in the shitter worldwide well into 2010 buying a car for 40k+ when gas is a buck isnt going to sell. They had the damn electric car GM back in the 90's we had charge stations all through out southern california at malls,shopping centers. They could of kept developing on that car and had the price into the 25k range and wouldnt be on the verge of total destruction. They had gold and sold it for coal.

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i mean passenger cars.

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I wouldnt say frozen, like 10-15% frozen, 85-90% canned. If ---- hits the fan, take out the power and you have little communication, cash, guns, and ammunition, and firewood. ---- could get very ugly, I only hope all you wussy fags out there and you know who you are have an understanding of the ---- this country could encounter.

YOU ALL BETTER BE LOOKING INTO THIS IF YOU EXPECT TO LIVE TOO MUCH LONGER

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lol you act like an apocalypse is coming. nothing that crazy i going to happen anytime soon.

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Jesus called me today and said its on

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jesus is a bitch