Jorsher

Wrong.

Read up on erowid. Dextromethorphan is not "toxic." The person who first came to the conclusion that DXM causes olney's lesions later retracted his statement after more studies. There has only been one study claiming it causes the lesions, but there are many that dispute/disprove it. I still don't believe it's something that should be abused and I've heard of people becoming permafried from heavy use, but I think it's related more to the brain being out of whack for so long that it just "adapts" and becomes funky. DXM is non-toxic though.

Of course Acetaminophen is toxic to the liver. That's why I said you should use syrup WITHOUT any other active ingredients (especially Acetaminophen). I'm not the typical drug user that hears you can get high on cough syrup and goes and chugs a few random bottles. I thoroughly research whatever I consume.

Yes I've heard how amazing DMT is which is why I'll be trying it. It's a chemical that is naturally produced in your brain, and although nobody knows for sure WHY our brain produces small amounts, there's a bit of speculation. DMT can be easily extracted from plants. There are quite a few different combination of extraction methods and plants it can be derived from to achieve different levels of purity. It's supposedly relatively easy to synthesize it but I don't know jack ---- about chemical synthesis and so I haven't looked into it.

I've heard about synthesizing it from tryptamine and another chemical that can be easily obtained. I think it only required a couple precursors, both of which you could get from a nutritional store. Like I said though, I slept through chemistry and took it 7 years ago, so I only saw it mentioned in a drug forum and never researched more into it.

Tom-Guy

Olney's lesions are the product of not-DXM additives in Coricidin.

b18.

As far as I've read the induced "trip" from Dextromorphan is caused by the amount you've taken, and in high amounts you are flooding your seretonin reuptake neurons with a substance that metabolizes quickly and is manufactured to maintain a constant potency, which seems to show it has the mechanisms for tissue damage. So redosing and taking "recreational" amounts could be damaging. The actual nuerotoxicity of DXM is still widely unknown, the only thing I can find as far as DXM's effects are mental ailments that could be coincidental and have nothing to do with the drug, as well as the possibility of death from hyperthermia. I just remember reading that the additive PMT is what had killed a majority of the users who OD'd. So for it to be completely "safe" as far as you know, you would have to extract the DXM from the syrup, as there are other kidney-smashing additives besides Acetametiphen.

"The Real Truth About the Dangers of DXM"
http://www.drugs-forum.co.uk/forum/s...t=17894&page=1
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And while we're there, it is easiest to extract 5meoDMT from Mimosa or another dry DMT-containing bark, but a drink can be prepared and ingested using Yopo or Ayahuasca, Erowid has a better extraction guide than the drugs-forum though. But DMT is a tryptamine so I'm not sure which tryptamine you're refering to as far as obtaining DMT. 5meoDMT is easiest to obtain, while the more potent (pure) N,N,DMT requires an additional extraction process.

http://erowid.org/plants/mimosa/mimosa_chemistry1.shtml


Chlorpheniramine is the chemical in Coricidin that causes these, as well as another antihistimine that wasn't an SSRI, I can't remember the name and I'm in class and searching that query triggers the firewall.

raiden571

i ate an 1/8th of shrooms last night, didnt care for it too much. wont do it again

Tom-Guy

Dude, how do you take in that amount of information and then not be able to keep simple facts, as well as the spellings of the handful of chemicals you are researching, straight?

Step away from the crackpipe, holmes, you are not mentally stable enough to be researching drugs and make any sound judgements on their usage.

fork

yes drugs are great take more and more of them, so there is more money left to be made in the world for me. I hope you get aids

b18.

Crack is whack homeboy.

Jorsher

I agree, DXM can possibly be damaging, but there is no study that confirms it. There are a few papers on possible damage that's caused, I'll check out the one you linked to when I get home. I still don't believe it should be considered "dangerous." I abused the ---- out of it for a month (I think?). I know it's not a very long period of time, but when you're consuming 2-3 bottles every day or two, I'd consider it heavy use. I admit I had memory issues, problems with placing events in chronological order, and felt "strange" for about a week after I quit. I'm not sure on the exact length of time I used the ----, but I know that I stopped after 5 of the super walmarts in the Huntsville/Athens/Madison were completely out of the regular robotussin. BTW, "Robotussin Long-Lasting, 8 hours!!" is just sucrose syrup (kidneys love it!) and DXM. I've only used DXM one time for a mild trip since that binge a few years back. I don't think it's unhealthy, but wouldn't suggest heavy use for very long periods of time.

Last time I researched DXM (years ago), the articles on erowid only discussed one unconfirmed overdose. I haven't heard of others, but haven't looked into it much either. I've never heard of hypothermia as a symptom but it sounds possible since DXM basically detaches your brain from your senses. In my dumber days, before the bings, I consumed a couple bottles, buncha liquor (very bad combination with dxm, I'm sure it increases the time it takes to metabolize the dxm), pot, and a variety of benzos/opiates one night and ended up passing out and waking up the next day miserable and unable to do anything but roll around in bed for nearly a full day.

Anyway, don't see it as unsafe but it's not a very good drug.

I'm growing psychotria viridis that contains skrate up DMT. Bark is much better for extraction, and you end up with less organic crap and more good 'ol DMT, but it's a bit easier to grow a small plant inside than a tree/vine type thing. The 5meo and n,n variants you can buy online as a research chemical, but I don't trust most vendors (although undrug.org is useful for that) and don't like paying if I don't have to. The drinks are great and all, but they require an MAOI to be mixed with them to be effective. I guess your body just knows how to regulate it since it produces small amounts? MAOIs can be dangerous mixed with certain things, and although I don't remember anything on the list of "bad combinations" that would affect me, I'd rather not mess with it.

I would double check whatever I said with erowid because I haven't read on either of these subjects in quite a long-*** time, but apparently the firewall doesn't like it's content here at work. It's all from memory from years ago and parts could be incorrect :P (although I doubt it)

Crack is whack :P One drug I've never done and never will. It's something I don't know jack ---- about either because I have no interest in it, and don't care for stimulants in general (except phenethylamines!)

Tom-Guy

Any overdose of an SSRI leads to 5-ht receptor damage, period.

BigD

Na the last 13 hr trip and another 12 hours of not being able to sleep broke me of that.