92gti vr6 turbo vs. BBKA for money?
 

So the racing in Longview is pretty lame, not really many fast cars go out, so the few times I have went out racing I whooped up on everybody. I really don't talk to anybody in Longview about racing/cars because it's mostly a bunch of little kids with slow cars that hang out on 15th (cruising area) and talk ----. A lot of people around Longview talk about my car since it's one of the few turbo hondas around that is actually quick. There is a NW street racing forum I post on every once in a while and I get this PM today...


"Subject: hey do you drive that week ass honda civic

I just wanted to know if you wanted to race this weekend against my 92gti it has a vr6 with turbo so let me know i'll bet any amount of money you want my car's not that fast."


I know nothing about VW's so I decided to do a little research and after maybe 30 minutes of searching google and a few forums I found out you can make some pretty decent numbers with a stock VR6 and turbo kit. I IM'd the guy back asking what kind of mods he had done to the car/engine, so I will proly find out more about his car. I think my buddy has actually seen this car race or heard about him though (not sure if it's the same guy yet) and I guess it's not very quick.

For what my car is I think it's pretty quick, but I don't have a big head about it, a stock d-series with a turbo could easily get beat by a lot of cars (maybe not so easily once I get rods/pistons, but for now it's still stock). Anyways I just thought I would get your opinions on this guy with the VR6. I have never raced for money, but honestly I see people either not paying up or they get pissed and will try and start ----. There is also another guy in my town that wants to race me for money, but all these guys are kinda shady if you ask me. But hey if people are going to talk ---- about my car and want to race me I might as well start making some money.

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they can make some damn nice numbers very easily. why not just race him for fun? there's no shame in losing if that may be the case, but there's really no point in racing someone for money if you've never seen them run or even know anything about their car.

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i raced a gti with the 1.8t. had apr chip, turbo back exhuast and an intake. it war rated about 250 at the flywheel. i have an d16a6 on 8psi with a full tank of gas and my gf in the car and walked it like 1-2 cars. the 1.8ts make more power stock than the vr6. but the vr6 has 2 more cylinders. i bet itd be a good race. depending on what size turbo he is using. get some more details on his setup. i bet youd beat it since you make 230whp? right?

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Yeah I am defintely going to race him for fun and I would never race for money unless I knew what the other guy had, but it seems like everybody around here wants to race for money. I have been asked like everytime I go out which has only been like a handful of times over the last year. I just figure it will be an easy way to make a quick buck. I think I might just race for fun until I build my motor though.

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i thought VR6's only came in newer VW's? he's prolly tryin to scare ur ass so u'll puss out while he's running a stock 1.8T

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---- racin for money against someone who you no NOTHING about, its liek playin pool and beatin the person really bad, then they pop up and say, wanna play for money? nah i work too hard for my bills.

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they are pig heavy cars also you have to remember

even the 4cyl GTI's weigh in over 3k

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theres a dude near me with a built prelude turbo who only races for money. he a sketchball and he has a gun, so its pretty gay. Alot of the guys around here are dirtbags for the most part, so im not really a big fan of it. i went up with my old crx just to see what goes on, and its mostly chumps. If u dont know anything about the car (everyone ALWAYS says their car is slow, or its "mostly stock") but stock honda dont have front mounts ::) . If you dont know the kid and u dont know the car, i say dont go for it. for fun is cool, but u never what can happen when money is on the line.

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vr6's make more power then 1.8t stock. they arent fast, i have an audi 1.8t and its slow. i have seen a vr6 turbo, and they can be very quick. I think vr6s came only in the gti's and passats, but they can get swapped out.

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win or lose make sure you video tape it! I gotta see this race.

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First off, I am not going to race anybody for money if I don't know anything about their car, I'm not stupid. More than likely I probably won't ever race for money, but I figure I would ask you guys that actual have. It's just very temtping sometimes.

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find out some info on him, and then race him for 20 bucks :)

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yeah, but 300whp for a 'decent' kit on a vr6 is very easily accomplished. a factory 1.8t and a vr6-t are two totally different ball games. i was researching them for a while b/c my boy wanted to boost his 01 gti, and they are pretty nasty with a decent set up. check out vwvortex.com

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Yeah the more that I thnk about it I don't like the idea of racing for money. I think most of this has to do with me beating some guy that has a new shop called "rev motorsports" here in Longview. He was talking ---- all over town saying he race anybody for $500 (could all be rumors, but it sounds like something people from Longview would say lol). I went out to the races one night and wanted to race me for money real bad, but I said no since he could have been running a big shot of nitrous or maybe even had a built high compression motor on race gas (very unlikely, but still I'm not going to be a sucker). He has a B20/Vtec hatch that I beat by like 5 cars easily and I was only running like 9 pounds.

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i def wouldnt put money on it, ive read a lot of what you have posted here and on HT and your car seems to be more than competent for street racing but, you gotta think
a AAA VR6 is 174hp 162lb/ft stock, take into account most 1/2 way intelligent Turbo VR owners run HUGE T4 setups, making upwards of 350hp easy. being as this is a swap he prob got the engine and trans from a B3 or B4 passat for the short gears. IMO i think you would get your ass handed to you even if this guys setup is under par.

oh yeah ill try to find the thread, but i read on the Tex about a daily driven MK2 VR-T that smoked a TT-R32 by almost a second, just some food for thought

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IMO a VR6 with a decent setup would rip pretty hard.
and it would be different if you are going to race him 1/4, or top speed runs

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tell him youll run him for a 12pack, that way you can at least split it afterwards and there wont be any hard feelings ;D

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that all depends on what year and what car the engines are from

corrado VR6 178hp

B3 & B4 Passat VR6 174hp (short geared trans)

93-01 Jetta & GTi VR6 174hp

02-now Jetta & GTi VR6 200hp

MK4 99.5-01 GTi & Jetta 1.8T 150hp

All New beetles (ex Turbo S) 1.8t 150hp

MK4 02-now Jetta & GTi 1.8T 180hp

New beetle turbo S 1.8T 180hp w/ 6 speed

A stock 180hp w/ bolt ons and a GOOD chip will put out 200WHP and 245+wtq

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Yeah I pretty much figured if this guy has a nice sized turbo and actually knows what he is doing I won't have a chance, but this is Longview, people are stupid here. If it's just some VR6 with a tiny turbo putting down close to as much power as me I will have a pretty good chance. I asked him a bunch of questions about his car though and I will race him for fun. :)

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i friend of mine has a Vr MKII jetta and i raced him with my 91 LS hatch and i got my ass handed to me
off the line my car was a joke to the tq he was putting down especially w/ the passat trans




kinda OT but IMO, MKII's are the EF's of VW

Re:92gti vr6 turbo vs. BBKA for money?
 

Anyone that confident has seen your car run and will most likely hand you your ass. Be careful of this.

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call jeff, ask him if you can rent the boosted motor out of his girls hatch for a night and bet this fool 5gs :P

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Okay, so I get the point, I won't be racing this guy for money (until I build my motor :P). I will just race him for fun. I'm not really worried at all if he has some stock turbo motor though. But yeah it looks like if he has a decent turbo setup I probably will get beat.

Is your hatch turbo? I have raced SRT4's and actually driven one, and I had no problem beating them and all the torque they make. My car gets out of the hole pretty well with my drag radials and quiafe LSD. Hell if I ever raced for money I would probably be runnig my slicks anyways, so that takes care of the laucning part. I have never even raced anybody at 12-14psi either, I have only raced people on 9-10psi, so my car has a little power left in it.

Well that guy I beat in the B20/Vtec hatch still talks ---- and wants to race me for money... he did get some headwork done though, so I better be careful lol. I will just be racing for fun though, I will call Jeff and have him bring Leia's car down if these guys really want to race a honda for money.

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my hatch is NA and so was the VR

after i raced him i kicked myself because i have a beater 92 jetta and a VR longblock sitting at work

:( i need a tranny

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I onced raced a Mustang for $50 and didn't know anything about the car. And Mustangs can range from 15 sec to 9 sec cars and they all look and sound the same. My deciding factor is that I always look at the tires, that'll tell you the most about how fast a car is cause you can only go so fast on street tires.

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I don't see how your car makes any power with out pistons and rods, do you have a rotary in there?


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That is a very good point. Racing out on the street is a lot different than on the internet or the track. You could be making a lot of power, but you won't beat anybody if you can't put the power to the ground.

I watched Jeff race a 400whp supra in my car and win, just because the girl couldn't get traction (should be on video). I also raced Travis in his built rx7 my very first race and beat him because he couldn't get traction (also on video I believe). It might have been driver error or shitty tires, but as you all know from the fast and the furious "It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile, winning is winning" lol... :P

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werd. Im always peeking at tires. Nothing like a fast Mustang rolling on pos BFG radial T/A's lol

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There was one time that we were in my buddies SHO Taurus and we finally made the deal to race a 69' Camaro on the bottle and all this other ---- but he was on street tires so we figured we could take him, right before we raced he up on some ungodly 33 inch slicks. :-\ We actually held our own pretty ------- well though. Good thing it wasn't for money.

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I raced this stock 4 door accord with 4 people in it when I had my shitty all season tires on and the roads were a little wet. He just randomly pulled up next to me at a stop light and started revving his motor. I kinda tried gettig on it a little bit, but my tires would just spin. It wasn't a real race, but he did beat me lol.

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Race em for fun, it cant hurt. People with guns and attitudes shouldnt be racing though...be careful and have f un

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id throw a 50 spot on it. i have a kid local with a 98 vr6 turbo. on 8 lbs of boost it dynoed 205 whp. from a 45mph roll on the highway i walked on him by like 10 car lengths with my d series on 11psi.

i say race him. hes got no lsd and a heavy as ---- car. and most likely street tires. you could easily beat him off the line even if he is faster.

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Definitely should bring Leia's hatch down, just tell them it's mostly stock :D

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I'll put up the money. :) From what I have seen/heard, that little Z6 is amazingly fast for what it is.

I wouldn't race the tweeker for fun either though. I hate shady people.

One thing that sounds dumb is "I want to race you for one hunder million zillion dollars, my car is slow and you will probably win." ::) ------- idiot......
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Re:92gti vr6 turbo vs. BBKA for money?
 

good point about tires, i have a solid mid 13 second car on slicks and partially gutted (borrowed them from a friend) but on street tires i spin through 3rd gear and cars that i should spank pull on me till i get traction

have fun mang

that reminds me i need to invest in a set of Weld Drag Lites and slicks

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it's fast for what it is, but he hasn't even broke in to the 12's yet, so yeah, it's fast for what it is, that doesn't mean there aren't a lot of cars that aren't faster ;) not knocking ya at all pat, i'm just saying.

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Ask if you can take the RESPECT if you win.

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yeah, and then tell him "you never had me, and you never had your car" -dom

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On a serious note though, dont race for money its ghey. With a decent setup he is most likely pushing 300WHP or even more if he is running something good and knows his shiz. I mean I understand that your car may be quick and all but driving a 230WHP Civic and driving a 300WHP+ GTi you are going to know what I mean.