Re:92gti vr6 turbo vs. BBKA for money?
 

Heh my glory story is beating a brand spankin new Viper with temp tags. Yeppers the tiny 1.5 turbo hatch handed the Viper chicks ass to her. ---- was funny as hell and the people at Chick-fil-A were clapping and roaring with laughter. dumb blond missed 2nd AND 3rd while I was already at the top of 3rd at 90 reaching for 4th probably 7-10 cars out on front rofl.

I didnt even want to race the thing cause hell, they arent that fast for what they are but will spank a turbo single cam anyday. She revved at me and sort of pointed and laughed so its on now bitch! Whos laughing now weeeeee.

Re:92gti vr6 turbo vs. BBKA for money?
 

pat, start pokin around @ local boards and search for info on ET's and setup.

Otherwise, just go do it.. for fun.. who cares if u win/lose, its for FUN. ;)

Edit:

found this...
http://www.jwelty.com/jwelty3/mk2vr6all.html

looks like 7-14psi is recipe for high 12's

Re:92gti vr6 turbo vs. BBKA for money?
 

I won't race him.

Re:92gti vr6 turbo vs. BBKA for money?
 

i thought VR6's were fast? i'm not sure though...have fun!

Re:92gti vr6 turbo vs. BBKA for money?
 

no no no no no no no


there is an enormous store/crew of insane vw's up here such as mk2 gti gr6 supercharged, a2 jetta vr6 turbo... 1.8t's are weak a guy has a cabby up here with a audi 1.8t with 25 grand under the hood and runs 14.2 in the quarter at sea level... vw's arent slow but they really arent jack ---- either... a stock vr6 turbo makes roughly 250 hp if it's an mk3, mk4's which are the newer style make roughly 180 to the wheels stock, my friends mk3 makes 180 to the wheels now with heavy mods....

Re:92gti vr6 turbo vs. BBKA for money?
 

my buddy had a completely stock 01 gti vr6, we raced quite a few times with my pretty much stock at the time si, he would barely pull about half a car on me, i thought it should have been more, so i let him drive my car and i drove his and we raced, i pulled him by about 2 cars when he was driving my coupe, and the gti is about half a ton heavier also :-\

Re:92gti vr6 turbo vs. BBKA for money?
 

I don't understand what the big deal is. Race him, and if you win well... fine. If you don't, race him again after you fix up your engine. I don't see the big del if you don't race for money.

One more thing. Since I'm from europe I realy don't see the pint in going fast in a straight line. Most roads (well maybe not in the U.S) are not straight but curvy. I know it's racing tradition and all, but many people here in Europe share my point of view. That's wy I hate old amcars cos they are like a sled on weels. (Get why I love this page? ;) ) Don't get all puffed up about this, it's just my thougt's on dragracing ;)

Re:92gti vr6 turbo vs. BBKA for money?
 

I just don't trust the guys that hang around there. They seem shadey and anything could pop off, especially if somebody has a gun.

Re:92gti vr6 turbo vs. BBKA for money?
 

There's two things about an 01 GTI VR6 that put it as a disadvantage: 1) It weighs 3,000 lbs, approximately 500 pounds more than it's older MK2 bretheren 2) and it's still the less powerful 12v variant.

I myself used to own a 96 GTI VR6, and, while it is no push over n/a, I was also researching turbo'ing it and was only a few parts away from having my complete kit when I realized this was too expensive for me. Even my 96 GTI tipped the scales at a little less than 3,000 pounds, so they are indeed heavy beasts, but if you've ever driven one, you'd be crazy not to be impressed :)

In my research I've found stock block VR6s can handle around 15psi of boost, so be careful, if the guy has the more potent form of C2 engine management (which was recommended to me back in my days of wanting to turbo it), he can turn the boost up to 15psi. I doubt he has any of the stand alone solutions, as it's already expensive enough to swap the VR6 and turbo it, much less shell out 1,000+ dollars on engine management.

Re:92gti vr6 turbo vs. BBKA for money?
 

i was very impressed with the tq when driving my buddies stock vr6 gti :)

Re:92gti vr6 turbo vs. BBKA for money?
 

It's no doubt a fun car, but I heard horror stories of wheel hop when turbo'd and massive torque steer. To this day I have a feeling I would have ---- myself under boost in that car :)

Re:92gti vr6 turbo vs. BBKA for money?
 

i saw a very clean boosted gti vr6 on the road in jacksonville florida this past summer, we were cruising side by side down 9a at about 70mph and he dropped it down to i'm assuming 3rd and broke loose, seemed like nice smooth wheel spin, the he caught traction and flew past me. it was beautiful. it was a very clean car, so i'm sure he had a lot of suspension mods too. when i came back home (north carolina), i talked my boy in to boosting his, but he also like you gave up about 3/4 way in to the project :'( they're pretty luxurious on the inside also.

Re:92gti vr6 turbo vs. BBKA for money?
 

a 92 would be CE2 from the factory, and he is prob running digifart G60 managment since its factory and it plugs in w/ little changes


its not expensive for a MK2 VR swap, you use all factory parts, ive seen complete swaps (eng, trans, shifter, subframe, rado knuckles, etc) for less than $1500, after a tune up and a few bolt-ons maybe $2500

its a very cost effective swap
175hp & monster tq + 2400lb car = kill most N/A hondas

Re:92gti vr6 turbo vs. BBKA for money?
 

Well here's the way I thought of it:

Cost of car: 8,000

Cost of turbo setup: 5,000+

I had already speant 13,000 dollars on the car and realized it was crazy so overnight I decided "screw this", sold everything I had (still have the turbo, no one on the 'tex wants a tangential turbo :() I didn't have engine managment or an intercooler or all of the misc installation fees dealt with yet either. I was talking to my friend about how stressful it was to juggle this much money that I didn't have and just decided to stop. He found a CRX in the valley trader, I called the guy, the rest as they say is history :)

Re:92gti vr6 turbo vs. BBKA for money?
 

Have you ever worked on a VR6? even just a volkswagen for that matter? not only does every aspect of their design exist solely to make work for you more complicated, but I can guarentee no matter how well you plan and how good a job you do, something will go wrong. It's the way of the volkswagen.

Re:92gti vr6 turbo vs. BBKA for money?
 

what do you have a really mild street build 351? stock heads? a cam and a intake and carb? ive seen cars with 2x the hp of your on the street hook it up before 3rd, get a stickier tire or learn how to drive ;)

Re:92gti vr6 turbo vs. BBKA for money?
 

i work in the parts dept of a VW Dealer i know more about them than half the technicians in the shop

and if you are talking about boosting your MK3 GTi then yes it would be hard, the engine barely fits in the bay, honestly it fits BETTER in a MK2

oh yeah i better not forget... I own a 92 Jetta Carat

Re:92gti vr6 turbo vs. BBKA for money?
 

If you're gonna race him for money Pat, make it like, $20 bucks or so. That way you don't take a huge hit just in case he is fast. Another thing though, if you say the people around your way are kinda shady, bringing money to the scene could cause people to get bitter when you beat them, leading to car jackings, fights, vandalism, etc. I've never seen a race for money that ended with the loser shaking hands and paying.

Just from seeing your car in action and guessing what a boosted VR6 would be like, I'd say it'd be a good race. You should let us know how it goes down (I didn't read the whole post... did it already happen? LoL)

I raced a VR6 GTI with some type of cams with my car once and smoked it hard, but that's not really the NA equivalent of what you're doing hehe.

Oh and BTW, I got this video of you racing Arby's now deceased yellow ITR...

Re:92gti vr6 turbo vs. BBKA for money?
 

I haven't raced him yet and I probably won't for money (just going to race him for fun). I just kinda wanted some opinions from people that actually have raced for money. Everybody around here always asks to race for money (I think they have seen the fast and the furious a few too many times).

Hey can you post that video somewhere? I really want to see that. I heard from eddie that he was running a 120 shot because I know that wasn't all motor. I thought I got out ahead of him pretty good, then all of a sudden like halfway through the race he just flew by and I was like WTF! lol... Do you by chance have video of me racing that white coupe also? That is the only all motor honda that ever beat me from a dig (I did get him on the freeway though ;)). People were trying to tell me it was a stock type r, but that's BS... that car was pretty damn quick.

Re:92gti vr6 turbo vs. BBKA for money?
 

the gti in question is a 1992.. the round front headlight style.

from the looks of research on the net, they are easy 12's on turbo.

Re:92gti vr6 turbo vs. BBKA for money?
 

I am aware of that. I was responding to projekteg posting about his buddies 01 GTI. I continued to state the fact that an MK2 is around 500+ pounds less than an MK4 ('01) version and therefore, yes it would be faster.

Re:92gti vr6 turbo vs. BBKA for money?
 

Crank it up to 12psi and rape him. So BTW, you gonna race him for money? Lol

Re:92gti vr6 turbo vs. BBKA for money?
 

vr6 is noit an inpressive motor. there is a huge vw crew wher i live and most of their ----, even the turbo cars are slow.

Re:92gti vr6 turbo vs. BBKA for money?
 

Hey, whatever floats your boat, but I was happy with mine. Either way, power doesn't make up for poor driving as was the case when projekteg was talking about his friends GTI, maybe all the VW crew where you are suck at driving :)

Anyway, the VR6 pales in comparison to how cool it'll be once my CRX is finally boosted :)

Re:92gti vr6 turbo vs. BBKA for money?
 

^^^
get on aim you fucker :P

Re:92gti vr6 turbo vs. BBKA for money?
 

1970 351W swap 300hp stock
Edelbrock Performer RPM Cam
Edelbrock Performer RPM Intake Manifold
Edelbrock Performer Series 650 CFM Carb
2 1/2" Exhaust
Accell Coil

on Kelly Chargers (shittiest tire EVER) and a gut i weigh in at about 3300 lbs with me in the car, it's called TORQUE, oh wait i forgot your Honda doesn't make any ;) I also run stock suspension with an Open 8.8" Rear-End :(

yeah i could keep em from spinning, but the thing is, i don't try, the cloud of smoke is impressive ;)

Re:92gti vr6 turbo vs. BBKA for money?
 

especially to the guy looking at it in his rear view :-*




;)

Re:92gti vr6 turbo vs. BBKA for money?
 

hahaha shiiiet good point

Re:92gti vr6 turbo vs. BBKA for money?
 

you walked right in to that one :)

Re:92gti vr6 turbo vs. BBKA for money?
 

yes, yes i did, hmm my new heads should put me over 400HP ;D I'm really gonna have traction probs hahaha

more power for me = me getting beat worse

Re:92gti vr6 turbo vs. BBKA for money?
 

my best time in my si was a 13.5 at 107 with a 2.4 60 ft. :-[ that's easily 12's with some traction :-\

Re:92gti vr6 turbo vs. BBKA for money?
 

ill race you for $50 pat.

but you have to drive the ford. ;D

Re:92gti vr6 turbo vs. BBKA for money?
 

mine on slicks was like 13.59 with a 2.2 60' (i only got to run once)

and on street tires it's a beautiful 14.4 with a 2.8 60'

Re:92gti vr6 turbo vs. BBKA for money?
 

Are VR6s the motors with the flat heads?

Re:92gti vr6 turbo vs. BBKA for money?
 

yup, vr6's have 1 cylinder head.. 15 degree V block.

Pat just race the guy for 20 bucks, I bet you will suprise him. He probably isnt rolling on Drag radials nor he probably doesnt have a real lsd. Thats your biggest advantage. If he wins tell him he can race your buddies girlfriends car for a rematch ;)

Re:92gti vr6 turbo vs. BBKA for money?
 

ok, ive got a lot to say on this one, since almost all of my friends have turbo vw's and are serious with it. one of my good friends has a vr6 turbo'd with a t4 60-1 hifi and it rips out pretty good. (made like 212whp on ~5psi due to a boost leak, but its fixed now on 10psi)if his car didnt weigh like 3200 pounds with him in it, it would be retarted fast. limiting factor on a vr6 for ~400 whp is actually the trans, and it can be fixed with the addition of an lsd.

as far as mk2's go, there is a vr6 turbo mk2 in my town that lost to a b18b turbo swapped eg hatch on 10 psi.


on the same note, i know of someone else who has a s/c vr6 in an mk2, and with 240whp and 220tq it ran 13.4. a vr6-t will put out bigger#'s than that, so times should be less.

i say race for the hell of it, no matter which way it goes it should be a pretty good race

Re:92gti vr6 turbo vs. BBKA for money?
 

vdubs are not so fast, vr6 does not impress hotrex

]ive dusted too many of them nitrous and turbo

Re:92gti vr6 turbo vs. BBKA for money?
 

Only volkswagen's I like are the MK2's, and the Corrado's. They can be fast, but I find that VW's give plenty of problems, more than others for the fact.

What suspension mods did you have on your SI projekteg?

Re:92gti vr6 turbo vs. BBKA for money?
 

My dad's GF has a '96 GTI 4 banger, and I hate that piece of crap. I also hate the VR6 heads total crap. But I don't wanna piss off any VW lovers, I know they can be quick, and what not, so I give them credit where do. Race him, rape his car, ---- his chick...

Re:92gti vr6 turbo vs. BBKA for money?
 

Coming from the VW camp, I'm no lover of them. I protected it cause it cost so much, and it was a nice car, but I don't care for it near as much as my rex.