Turbo Kia ^_^;
 

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Nothing too fancy here... Ugly log manifold, GT1752 thats been around the block a few times.

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Not so sure what I am going to do with the intake. The MAF has to stay in play until I get the Megasquirt and convert to MAP.

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Don't mind the messy engine bay, it's only been 60,xxx miles since I cleaned it. ROFL.

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The lower radiator hose had to be relocated. It used to run right through the middle of that thing I've got as a downpipe. The feed from the block came out behind the turbo, and there wasn't enough clearance behind the turbo, between the block. So I had to take the sawsall to the steel drain-fitting thing, and got some flex pipe from Kragen (thanks to 2G6 for that) and yeah, I guess it works. We'll see if it leaks...

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My virgin butt-hole, don't ever say I didn't post any pr0n ;)

Edit: Here's the updated intake, just to keep all things in one spot for easy-lazy-ness of some interweb utilitarians.

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This shows my dirty battery better than evar!1oneone!11!!

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Don't mind the spawn of Satan fire and brimstone on the ground there... I'm pretty sure it wasn't there when I took the picture. But I called the local excorcismist just in case... :1

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The gates of hell really started crankin about 17 minutes after we took this picture. In hindsight, I have no idea why I didn't take the duct tape off to show you guys the flange... Anyways, that square there is where I am going to route the BOV.

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Just some KDM (yeah, not Japanese, Korean rofl) angle action of the new setup overall.



Anyways, I'm still flipping coins on whether I want to run winshield fluid injection, or an intercooler. Charge pipes are going to be tight either way...

Like slightly mentioned before, management will be MegaSquirt. Until it gets here, the OBDII computer can lean out slightly larger injectors at WOT. The 19# 5.0 Mustang injectors are just big enough to handle 7PSI, (which also happens to be the max boost the ECU is happy with) and just small enough for the computer to lean them out while in cruise conditions. Mustang injectors will go on tomorrow, and I'll flip a few thousand more quarters.. LOL Once I'm running the MS, I'll up the injectors to 30#. For now, tuning with just the ECU, this wastegate is supposed to be around 7PSI, so this all works out pretty well. Anyways... All standard stuff you've seen a hundred times over. So, if you guys wonder anything, feel free to step up to the plate. Criticism, positive feedback, hate it or love it, I'll hear it all.

Thanks for the time folks.

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I hate kia but is always interesting seeing something other than the usual honda (which I'll be showing in a week assuming everyone ships my ---- out in a timely manner).

How does it pull? Video footage?

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Eh, just in-case it was misleading, it's not running yet. ;)

Had to pull the A/C off, which should help it pull considerably more from what I hear from some other Kia guys. As soon as I get it finished, I'll take some video and such.

I used to drive it with CAI, 4-2-1 header, and 2.5" exhaust. Brought it from the ~85-92 WHP stock, to maybe the ~90-96 range... I'm hoping to be in the ~120 range, when on the full 10-12 PSI on standalone. We'll see what happens.

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Nah while reading I understood it wasn't running, don't know why I posted asking about how it runs. Possibly the 4 hours of sleep for 3 days? Don't know.

Anyway, what size is that engine? 120 with 10-12 psi? I hope you can get more than that. Either way it should be a lot more fun. Keep us posted.

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1499 CC's of raw KDM power! I think a big problem, and most people tend to disagree, but I think the gearing is gonna be a MAJOR problem in speed. Total economy gearing. I know that doesn't really affect power anyways, but whatever...

I don't even know if I'll ever get to 10-12 PSI, I'm sure things will break before 10.

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it should work ok.
you don'T have to convert to map but make sure you recirculate your bov between the turbo and maf.

turbo may be small. will work, certainly will spool super quick, but keep us posted on the top end..... at worst, it's a t25 flange so you can bolt on a larger turboin the future.

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Could you explain the logic behind recircing? From what I understood, the MAF couldn't see boost anyways, it only see's airflow. With the sensor being pre-compressor, it shouldn't see boost ever. Now the unfortunate truth behind our OBDII system is that, even though the motor doesn't see boost on the intake side via MAF Sensor, it will realize that it is burning more fuel efficiently (doesn't even have to be lean/rich) and go nutso, at least after a certain point; 7 PSI. So, I'm not quite sure I understand the need to recirc, but I trust your word. I would think it has something to do with the sensor saw air going in, then when the BoV let out, there would no longer be any charge in the pipes. I'll let you set me straight. Just wondering if you have any insight as to why?

Converting to MAP is solely for ease of the MegaSquirt. I'm not a big MS guru, but the guy building the unit for me converted his Rio to MAP, and said it saved a whole lot of headache.

I'm excited to find out how the power curve is going to turn out. This small turbo should have the motor out of vacuum before 2500 RPM, electronic rev limiter set to 6000. This gives the tiny GT17 3500 RPMs to build boost in, I'm hoping I don't choke out, but we'll see. One thing for sure, I'll need to find an aftermarket clutch soon. I fully destroyed my 0-mile factory clutch before 30,xxx miles, and convinced my dealer to warranty me a second one. We do have an OEM replacement style clutch, and the (http://www.competitionclutch.com/ind...location=sport) Competition Clutch Gravity Series 2400 available for our models so far. I'm pretty much sure that CC is gonna be my next purchase, once the turbo is finalized.

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That's pretty sweet. It's nice to see something different.

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faggot, i would have welded the manifold for you :(

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Yes Sure i overlooked that you were using megasquirt. Sure, they work with a MAP but turbocharging cars with MAF's is no problem either, depending dump the the bov outside. However, if you place the maf before the turbo so it doesn't see boost, it becomes important to recirculate the bov so the dumped air (that was measured by the MAF once) gets reinserted in the system before the compressor but after the maf to avoid getting super rich everytime the bov opens.

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w00t turbo kia! props y0' O0

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Thanks, that's the whole idea behind the project. To learn, build something unique, and have fun while doing it.

Dude, you still can, I got this manifold for the hell of it, Those aren't the parts I was gonna send you, it's some crap a friend of mine used to run, chill, I'm no backstabbing faggot :3

Thanks man, I'm super stoked. Ordering some last parts here soon!

Blaast:
That makes sense. While I'm leaning out the larger injectors with the OBDII, I'll run the MAF. But, I'll convert to MAP with the MS, it's just better from all angles I've been shown.

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Really, I'm no post------ :S

On the recirculating charge: I've been wonding about injection instead of intercooling, but I won't be able to recirculate the charge if it's moist. Looks like I'll be intercooling. Dayum, there's not much room for all that pipe.

Can I use flex hose like my lower radiator for charge?

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I've got a bunch of 2.5" piping and couplers for you. It about time the damn turbo showed up. This car is going to be a wonderful sleeper that will eventually be able to freighten the average 5.0 Mustwang. Keep it going man.

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lol good to see someone else doin somethin but a honda, !!! what kia is it?

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Yeah, I'm gonna have to do that. 5.0 Mustang, I doubt it. XD

Yeah, I'm all about originality. It's an '02 Rio, the smallest of all the Kias. I'm on my way here in a bit to pull the AC core, and measure it up for an intercooler to go in it's place.

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I guess nobody remembers Jeff's (Abaz) turbo kia. That fucker was super clean. :y

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thought he did a hyundai?

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Not at all, he did a Spectra, with an extra injector for fuel. I've talked to him about it. It was before my time, but I've still talked to him about it. The Spectra is the sportiest of the sedans... I'm boosting the runt XD

I redid my intake today, I'll upload the pictures later tonight when I get home to my computer. Now instead of just having the MAF Sensor on the turbo, and the filter on the sensor, there's a 2" (or maybe 2.5", I can never remember) intake on it. It's got a rounded 90* bend on it, going from the turbo, up into the engine bay, with the sensor and the filter ending up sorta next t0/behind the battery, in front of the master cylinder. But I'll upload the pics later tonight. The great thing about the intake pipe is that, it's part of my old CAI, which is actually from a Focus 2 door (ZX3) and has a hole in it, with a flange basically, for a sensor from the Ford. I just covered it up with a metal shim and some duct tape when I used it as my CAI, but I will likely be able to use that opening to hook up the BOV! As I progress farther and farther with this project, things really just start to fit together totally coincidentally.

Edit: Just to clarify, I'll be dumping the BOV into this hole in the intake, which is behind the MAF Sensor but pre-compressor, as instructed by Blaast. Thanks!

As it seems so far, I have a Saab FMIC lined up that is nearly identical in size and shape as my AC core, which was removed. The FMIC is a bit thicker, but I have plenty of room in front of the radiator.They say that the best place to hide things is in plain sight... We'll see how long it takes the B&Ws to catch on 8)

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Keyword.. WAS, guy put 35k on it without doing a oil change and it exploded, it also looks like a small animale may have lived in it. Anyhow, the guy traded it in, and I ended up buying it for dirt cheap, so expect to see a new turbo kia project soon, maybe this time it will have some real balls.

Back on subject,

Your rio looks solid man, def a HMT setup.. Let me know how the fuel setup works, I had a tough time dialing the spectra in. Btw besure your timing belt has been replaced, I do atleast 1 broken timing belt on rio's each week!

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It's overdue for a new belt anyways, I'm sitting at 60,xxx miles. Before I start it up for the first time, I'll do a new belt, oil change, coolant flush, and transmission fluid too. I'll need to throw a step cooler plugs on it I think too.

As far as the fuel, I'm counting on the ECU to do that for me. The only problem is, that I won't be able to just sit on the pedal all day long until I get the MS in. The computer will lean out the inectors in closed-loop, and I'll have to rely on boost to compensate for the extra fuel once the car leaves vacuum, AKA open-loop. So, until I have the MS, I'll have to be light on the throttle until WoT (0 vacuum) then just really get on it. It will take some learning, and a good AF meter/wideband O2, but those are coming. :1

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cliffs: http://blog.proedgemedia.com/images/..._explosion.jpg

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ROFL!

Nah, some guy in PA ran a setup like this (7PSI, 19# injectors) for almost 2 years now, no problem-o.

Edit: See man, I meant it when I said I wasn't a post------!! As promised, updated intake.

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This shows my dirty battery better than evar!1oneone!11!!

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Don't mind the spawn of Satan fire and brimstone on the ground there... I'm pretty sure it wasn't there when I took the picture. But I called the local excorcismist just in case... :1

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The gates of hell really started crankin about 17 minutes after we took this picture. In hindsight, I have no idea why I didn't take the duct tape off to show you guys the flange... Anyways, that square there is where I am going to route the BOV.

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Just some KDM (yeah, not Japanese, Korean rofl) angle action of the new setup overall.

I'll throw these pics up top as well. Intercooler, and pipes should be on the bus by Tuesday!!!

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damn you stupid 4 cyclinder assholes!

anyone have anyidea how hard it is to fabricate a v6 manifold from scratch ? :P my dump pipe has like 40 bends in it tryin to fit a 3" pipe down there

commin along nicely just wait till ur like me, i take off on 12 psi and skid everywhere

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Blah, just use two turbos! ;) Intercooler and charge pipes hopefully in the mail tomorrow. All that's left is a BOV. And, if my funds get added before Wednesday, I'll order one. But the seller is itching for money, so we'll see what happens. Oh, and an oil kit from Steve.

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https://www.homemadeturbo.com/forum/...?topic=72836.0

Cheap BOV's ;)

Progress looks great. Jeff, be sure to post up pics of the kia when you get a chance as well. Two turbo kia's on HMT, whats going on :S :P

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Just got off the phone with Steve @ Stealthmode. He rules. Oil lines, should be in the mail this week, assuming Paypal holds up on their end of the deal. Rofl.

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Now I know you're lying. Stealthmode is a person, not a place, so you couldn't have talked to Steve @ Stealthmode, unless you talked to Steve @ Stealthmode's, which would be the same thing cause the place is Steve's too. Either way, PM me your address so I can swing by and take a ---- on your hood. Dirty Korean slut -----.

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Well, how about this: I talked to Stealthmode @ Steve's?!? How you like them apples?

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Wow Steve, you've really let yourself down... :P

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Made a little progress today. Wen't around looking for some slim fans, and the cheapest I could source was $99.99!!?! What?! So, I busted out my handy-dandy hand-saw, and started shredding into my stock radiator fan. No pics, but I got it to fit! Only a few things left to do. Intercooler and piping w/BOV, oil feed/return, and fluids and a belt. Then it will be boost, for me. The rest of this week will likely show no progress, but I hope to be finished before the end of next week, assuming shipping of miscellaneous things doesn't bend me over ::)

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at the junk yard, looking through all the used rad fans, You'll see that some factory fans are way thin and they will certainly sell them for under 50$.

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haha neat!

props man

-luke

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I like it. It's somthing different.

MAF's work just fine with boost. If any thing they do a better job of metering air then a MAP sensor can.

Both of my turbo Escorts still use a MAF sensor, and they both run great. One has even seen 20psi.

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I'll see how long the "modified" stocker will work out... >:D

Thanks Luke XD

I'm sure the MAF sensor is just fine, but I'm led to believe that the Megasquirt doesn't like it much. We'll see how it works out. I'll be running the car at 7PSI on upgraded injectors alone, leaving the rest to the MAF, dual O2s, other all-inclusive sensors, and the ECU. I guess that's one advantage of OBDII. It's not the greatest, but it is reliable for a street setup. And if all works out well, I won't be running like that for long anyway.

I doubt this car will see 20PSI, but if I happened to stumble upon a spare motor, it would be fun to tear into it and see what could be beefed up. This "A5" motor is supposed to be loosely based off Mazda's "B6". I know that the "B6" also came as a -T, so there might be something there.

Completely unrelated, but I also share a front suspension entirely identical to the Ford Festiva. With all the V8 projects out there for those little egg-cars, there's some really sturdy suspension gear out there. Furthermore, if I'm not mistaken, the Festiva is the pre-predecessor of the Rio. The Festiva was, revamped if you will, as the Aspire, which is the distant cousin of the Rio. So, there may be some Mazda/Ford capatability out there worth looking into, as far as motors are concerned.

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If all your going for is 7psi, going to a standalone is a waste of time, money and energy.
Just slap a FMU on there and call it good. I have a hard time beliving the factory fuel system can keep up with 7psi with no engine managment. Sure I belive you that some guy some where did it and it worked, but I bet it was pinging like a mofo and running lean.

Is'nt your motor based of the mazda bp and not the b6?

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7PSI isn't the endgame, only the first tourist attraction! Basically, the ECU has a limit on how much extra fuel it is burning, (not just running rich, but cumbusting) and it ends up being pretty near 7PSI. The turbo I got is actuated at 7PSI, so that's just a magic number for a first stage in the setup.

Once it's all up and running, the 19# injectors will be replaced with 30# ones, and the standalone will be installed. From then, it's turn up the boost and tune, until things break. Fix the things that break, and try again. I'm not talking about putting it to 12PSI, romping on it for a week, turning it up to 15, yadda yadda. I really plan on turning it up notch by notch, and maybe sitting on it for months at a time. Not going for any world records, or break-neck trap speeds here. Just trying to see what I can do. If the (2) guys that ran setups similiar to mine experienced pinging and lean conditions, the lie about it tooth and nail. But, 7PSI on the stock computer isn't the endgame, just a staging point while I wait for the standalone. And oh by the way, it's a direct plug into the stock harness, tuneable on a laptop on the street, and will cost me less than $300 bucks. So no, it's not a waste of money, time (well not mine anyways, but the guy who's assembling it yeah) and energy I'm not quite sure about. 4 10MM bolts probably will take less than 200 calories to take off and put back on, so I'll eat an extra cheeseburger and still net some energy for sex later that night ;)

And yeah, it may be the BP, now that you mention it. It's been a long while since I've discussed it with the real gear heads that figured most of this stuff out, but yeah, BP; I think you are right.

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I know a guy with a turbo'd tiburon gt (the earlier ugly ones w/4 headlights) that was running off stock injectors and maf. He swore that it was good to 5psi (what he was running) until he got additional injectors. He beat on it all the time and from what i know its still running

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Believe it or not, the 19# injectors ARE NOT stock...

I'm sure this setup will work well enough to use as a commuter until the standalone is done. I have no doubts in my mind, in fact...