Turbo 4AGE (now with 50% more porn!)
02-22-2009, 06:57 PM
#82
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Re: Turbo 4AGE (now with 50% more ****!)
More sweet Flowzillas fo yo ***.
---- yeah thats straight up FAP material for ppl who drive leather trimmed camry's. Jesus why the hell would anyone want to convert to MAF or Speed Density with a design like that? ---- nevermind why the ---- dont OEM's STILL use this thing? ZOMGSUPAJDMTOYOTAES300MADNESS!!!!
---- yeah thats straight up FAP material for ppl who drive leather trimmed camry's. Jesus why the hell would anyone want to convert to MAF or Speed Density with a design like that? ---- nevermind why the ---- dont OEM's STILL use this thing? ZOMGSUPAJDMTOYOTAES300MADNESS!!!!
02-22-2009, 09:37 PM
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Re: Turbo 4AGE (now with 50% more ****!)
Originally Posted by Hitchhikkr
Just so everyone here understands...This is what toys-arent-me is trying to pass off here.
Yeah so lets take a column of air, bend it around fifteen degrees, bend it back another 15, and then send it thru your intake. Oh yeah we'll stick a little metal flap and spring in there too, just for good measure. Nevermind anything long dead scientists like Bernoulli said about fluids and how they move concentrated on the outside of their containers. ---- all that ----.
Restriction? The real restriction is the blood flow to this kid's brain.
Yeah so lets take a column of air, bend it around fifteen degrees, bend it back another 15, and then send it thru your intake. Oh yeah we'll stick a little metal flap and spring in there too, just for good measure. Nevermind anything long dead scientists like Bernoulli said about fluids and how they move concentrated on the outside of their containers. ---- all that ----.
Restriction? The real restriction is the blood flow to this kid's brain.
AFMs are worthless flappyboxes. i went office space on mine when i fired up the car on pgmfi management and didn't need it anymore. the only thing i found on there worth salvaging was the connector, so i didn't have to cut ----.
OP, another thing you could look into (and i'm just throwing this out on a whim) is, until you get proper engine management on there, possibly running the GZE ECU. talk to JLMR_AW11 on mr2oc- he's pretty thoroughly hacked both the na and SC ECUs. IIRC, the NA uses a simple EPROM that should be removable/readable and if he was nice enough to point out where the checksum is, you might be able to tweak that to work with your setup.
what is it about MS that you don't understand? wiring? crank trigger? maybe we can help it all make sense.
02-23-2009, 12:10 AM
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Re: Turbo 4AGE (now with 50% more ****!)
Originally Posted by scarecrowX
talk to JLMR_AW11 on mr2oc- he's pretty thoroughly hacked both the na and SC ECUs. IIRC, the NA uses a simple EPROM that should be removable/readable and if he was nice enough to point out where the checksum is, you might be able to tweak that to work with your setup.
Seriously, the only person/people who know what they are talking about on the MR2OC are Eric Hux, MR2Guru, and Node. The rest are mostly *******.
02-23-2009, 03:52 AM
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Re: Turbo 4AGE (now with 50% more ****!)
complex i know you think its retarded i said clock the dizzy and spin the cog so ill explain it. because he's already driving the car on just an FMU. he might as well do it. its alot safer than how he's already running and if he felt like going alittle farther, or god forbid he had a really good spike with that MBC he said he would run in the first post. he'd likely survive it.
1) would cost him Free-$25 to get 4 used but good 300cc'ish injectors and maybe 10-30 minutes to set the dizzy (he's already done) and AFM cog, and if he put big injectors on the idle adjust
2) it would run well provided he didn't try for >330cc injectors on a bone stock ECU.
3) 200cc'ish injectors + FMU < 300cc'ish injectors dialed down to run OK + retarded timing + FMU
i do not suggest a long term solution. simply alot safer alternative than just ***** nilly on itty bitty stock injectors and an FMU.
he's already pointed out that budget is problem for him and he's not trying to post top end stock 4a numbers. so there ya go L to the iam. there's your cheap as **** way to tide you over for awhile until you CAN sort out what management you WILL eventually run and the money to pay for it.
hitch you're very correct. i typoed 7mgte and meant 7mge. looks like you have a couple pictures of a gen 1 toyota afm and a bosch unit im not familiar with. if you think tall OEM maf's look like that you'd be surprized to look down the majority of them out there.
still working on the wood, but have not forgotton you. the wood was a lot more cupped and bowed that i thought and its taking MUCH longer than i figured to get it all jointed to be plained. sucks. here's the progress. the mahogany stacked here is ready. there's about 1/2 as much plained out of view (plaining does not take long), or jointed waiting to be planed.
just the mahogany in this pic left to joint. yay!
going to be gorgeous when the poly hits it too.
easy way to tell what's flowing more. since you dont think measureing the restriction before and after the meter is relevant (hahaha). then ill just give a visual refference of what's coming out of the scroll. ive got a bent tailboom old motor and 4" prop from my first helicopter. ill duct tape that in/near the cage outlet and put the meters on one of the inlets. use a tach to read the RPM of the windmilling prop. higher RPM, higher flow, period.
btw the dust collector is rated around 2300cfm @ 16-17" static pressure. has an 6" inlet with a dual 4" inlet adapter on it. obviously it will be moving a couple times more air through the pipes than any of these meters will ever see so any restriction will be magnafied. ive got a spare second gen denso (last revision made, 3vz-fe), a dead nissan VQ35DE. truck needs an oil change. sowill free up a larger v8 ford maf as well, maybe not the same day as the others, but i can get too it soon. be glad to throw on anything you feel like sending also, shipping is your cost.
i can tell you already from previous experience. the last made denso AFM off the last of the obd-I toyota v6's is going to flow slightly better than the nissan v6 MAF's (2002 vq35de) which has been pretty much the same thing for the past 10-15 years. already seen it.
to me i think the most interesting thing will be seeing the differences between the smaller meters and the bigger ford meter, and the ford meters vs whatever bare pipes i have laying around. btw the ford meter is not one of the newer slick split jobs. its the round bit in the middle with a giant nose cone but no tail cone (wierd).
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forgot wood progress
1) would cost him Free-$25 to get 4 used but good 300cc'ish injectors and maybe 10-30 minutes to set the dizzy (he's already done) and AFM cog, and if he put big injectors on the idle adjust
2) it would run well provided he didn't try for >330cc injectors on a bone stock ECU.
3) 200cc'ish injectors + FMU < 300cc'ish injectors dialed down to run OK + retarded timing + FMU
i do not suggest a long term solution. simply alot safer alternative than just ***** nilly on itty bitty stock injectors and an FMU.
he's already pointed out that budget is problem for him and he's not trying to post top end stock 4a numbers. so there ya go L to the iam. there's your cheap as **** way to tide you over for awhile until you CAN sort out what management you WILL eventually run and the money to pay for it.
hitch you're very correct. i typoed 7mgte and meant 7mge. looks like you have a couple pictures of a gen 1 toyota afm and a bosch unit im not familiar with. if you think tall OEM maf's look like that you'd be surprized to look down the majority of them out there.
still working on the wood, but have not forgotton you. the wood was a lot more cupped and bowed that i thought and its taking MUCH longer than i figured to get it all jointed to be plained. sucks. here's the progress. the mahogany stacked here is ready. there's about 1/2 as much plained out of view (plaining does not take long), or jointed waiting to be planed.
just the mahogany in this pic left to joint. yay!
going to be gorgeous when the poly hits it too.
easy way to tell what's flowing more. since you dont think measureing the restriction before and after the meter is relevant (hahaha). then ill just give a visual refference of what's coming out of the scroll. ive got a bent tailboom old motor and 4" prop from my first helicopter. ill duct tape that in/near the cage outlet and put the meters on one of the inlets. use a tach to read the RPM of the windmilling prop. higher RPM, higher flow, period.
btw the dust collector is rated around 2300cfm @ 16-17" static pressure. has an 6" inlet with a dual 4" inlet adapter on it. obviously it will be moving a couple times more air through the pipes than any of these meters will ever see so any restriction will be magnafied. ive got a spare second gen denso (last revision made, 3vz-fe), a dead nissan VQ35DE. truck needs an oil change. sowill free up a larger v8 ford maf as well, maybe not the same day as the others, but i can get too it soon. be glad to throw on anything you feel like sending also, shipping is your cost.
i can tell you already from previous experience. the last made denso AFM off the last of the obd-I toyota v6's is going to flow slightly better than the nissan v6 MAF's (2002 vq35de) which has been pretty much the same thing for the past 10-15 years. already seen it.
to me i think the most interesting thing will be seeing the differences between the smaller meters and the bigger ford meter, and the ford meters vs whatever bare pipes i have laying around. btw the ford meter is not one of the newer slick split jobs. its the round bit in the middle with a giant nose cone but no tail cone (wierd).
*edit*
forgot wood progress
02-23-2009, 10:29 AM
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Re: Turbo 4AGE (now with 50% more ****!)
Originally Posted by Toysrme
easy way to tell what's flowing more. since you dont think measureing the restriction before and after the meter is relevant (hahaha).
You have had 3 days to come back here (after checking HMT multiple times I might add) and produce this fodder when you have yet to post anything that might make your theory viable.
Whats all this nonsense about testing other meters? You said your large denso AFM will out flow a 90mm hotwire. Thats what you should be testing, anything else is pissing in the wind, and does nothing to prove you original statement. You can regurgitate all the cfm and flow numbers you want. That doesnt change reality.
Have fun playing with your wood.
02-23-2009, 12:02 PM
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Re: Turbo 4AGE (now with 50% more ****!)
Originally Posted by rawr
Try the ford 90mm maf. It looks pretty restrictive.
Ill do you one better. Look at this restrictive unit!!!
Bet all those hardcore dragracers wish they had AFM's right now!
02-23-2009, 12:04 PM
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Re: Turbo 4AGE (now with 50% more ****!)
Originally Posted by Toysrme
you've never measured the pressure drop between a your typical 90mm maf and a large sized denso AFM have you? I did it years ago using the 3hp dust collector in the shop. the larger Denso AFM won. What you're missing is that MAF's have a gigantic *** tard of ---- impenging in the intake that's a disruption. where the AFM only overcomes the spring pressure, which is next to nothing in the first place.
*Awaits failure experiment.
