t70 on a sohc?
10-10-2006, 02:53 PM
#11
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Re: t70 on a sohc?
i wish i would have time posting pictures of that ---- but i am too busy building genuine garretts but to make a short story, on this particular Super T70 model, the thrust plate is not held by anything. it's kind of loose within the turbo which makes no sense since this thing is supposed the bear the Actial movement of the shaft. Also, The bearings have a stupid groove in the middle to compensate for the lack of a oiling groove in the sleeve and this cheaper version of the system is much more prone to wear.
basically, it's so crappy, it's no longer a compy anymore.
i would say the "not so SUPER" T70 is by far the WORST chinese turbo available.
basically, it's so crappy, it's no longer a compy anymore.
i would say the "not so SUPER" T70 is by far the WORST chinese turbo available.
10-10-2006, 04:55 PM
#12
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Re: t70 on a sohc?
Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
They are completely JDM. 
China is the "land of labor." Their people get paid ----, and they are expected to do the job with worn out machines and tooling or failling that a hand file. What's an extra three pennies a day in labor at 15000% markup resulting in a product that costs $5 and sells for $40, and retails for $60 once it gets here. They give the 8 year old kids and beat down grammas a wheel barrow of compressed mule ---- each, and expect it turned into ten "Super" T70s by the end of the 22 hour work day. It's generally a pretty fucked up place - life is not worth what we think it is over there, where infants are stil killed upon occaision for being born the wrong sex, and overpopulation is a HUGE problem.
Just like India started taking American manufacturing and (lol) tech support jobs a decade and a half ago, because the people there were bright and hardworking and willing to do whatever to get a meal a day and a clean bathroom for their families... China has started taking American (and Indian) jobs by being hardworking and willing to pimp their people out like $2 -----s. The whole time America's economy goes down the ******* (look at the value of the dollar) and we shop at China Freight for tools we know are going to break and buy SSAC turbos and manifolds by the ---- ton even though we know they'll fail. We're creating this endless NEED for worthless junk, as we are a disposable culture at it's height. It doesn't matter how long it lasts, what matters is that you got to throw it away, and that the shelves are stocked with more so you can replace it for $3.
China is the "land of labor." Their people get paid ----, and they are expected to do the job with worn out machines and tooling or failling that a hand file. What's an extra three pennies a day in labor at 15000% markup resulting in a product that costs $5 and sells for $40, and retails for $60 once it gets here. They give the 8 year old kids and beat down grammas a wheel barrow of compressed mule ---- each, and expect it turned into ten "Super" T70s by the end of the 22 hour work day. It's generally a pretty fucked up place - life is not worth what we think it is over there, where infants are stil killed upon occaision for being born the wrong sex, and overpopulation is a HUGE problem.
Just like India started taking American manufacturing and (lol) tech support jobs a decade and a half ago, because the people there were bright and hardworking and willing to do whatever to get a meal a day and a clean bathroom for their families... China has started taking American (and Indian) jobs by being hardworking and willing to pimp their people out like $2 -----s. The whole time America's economy goes down the ******* (look at the value of the dollar) and we shop at China Freight for tools we know are going to break and buy SSAC turbos and manifolds by the ---- ton even though we know they'll fail. We're creating this endless NEED for worthless junk, as we are a disposable culture at it's height. It doesn't matter how long it lasts, what matters is that you got to throw it away, and that the shelves are stocked with more so you can replace it for $3.
If not, you should. It shows how outsourcing, off shoring, and other international business advancements have actually improved life for both us and those over seas.
I don't have the time to explain it all right now. But seriously, if you are interested in international business (like I am), you should definately take the time to read it!
10-10-2006, 06:05 PM
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Re: t70 on a sohc?
Originally Posted by BLAAST
i wish i would have time posting pictures of that ---- but i am too busy building genuine garretts but to make a short story, on this particular Super T70 model, the thrust plate is not held by anything. it's kind of loose within the turbo which makes no sense since this thing is supposed the bear the Actial movement of the shaft. Also, The bearings have a stupid groove in the middle to compensate for the lack of a oiling groove in the sleeve and this cheaper version of the system is much more prone to wear.
basically, it's so crappy, it's no longer a compy anymore.
i would say the "not so SUPER" T70 is by far the WORST chinese turbo available.
basically, it's so crappy, it's no longer a compy anymore.
i would say the "not so SUPER" T70 is by far the WORST chinese turbo available.
okay i know ss auto is ----, but lets compare for example any other of their turbos to a true genuine version of teh same thing? are they all teh same problems as the T70 or what are some horror stories you have of other ss----- turbos?
10-10-2006, 06:12 PM
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Re: t70 on a sohc?
So you say the internals are crap, and most people send them in for a rebuild but by that time they're too far gone... however, is it possible to buy one of these that are either new, or used but not showing any signs of wear, and have them rebuilt?
10-10-2006, 06:18 PM
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Re: t70 on a sohc?
Originally Posted by SinisterCRX
So you say the internals are crap, and most people send them in for a rebuild but by that time they're too far gone... however, is it possible to buy one of these that are either new, or used but not showing any signs of wear, and have them rebuilt?
blaast, does your $250 rebuild with garret internals apply to these turbos as well?
10-10-2006, 08:16 PM
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Re: t70 on a sohc?
The other chinese t3 and t3/t4 turbos that are knock offs, since they are lower quality but pretty exact copies that are still COMPATIBLE with GARRETT, i can make them better by putting real garrett shaft, thrust system and bearings..
But The T70, I cannot really fix. it's not exactly the same as real big shaft turbos
The new internals have to come from that same chinese factory but i am not aware it'S available, which will not solve any of the problems that make this turbo a piece of crap anyway.
to make it good, it would need some serious MODIFICATIONS.
But The T70, I cannot really fix. it's not exactly the same as real big shaft turbos
The new internals have to come from that same chinese factory but i am not aware it'S available, which will not solve any of the problems that make this turbo a piece of crap anyway.
to make it good, it would need some serious MODIFICATIONS.
10-11-2006, 01:03 AM
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Re: t70 on a sohc?
Originally Posted by ej1 wilcox
Have you ever read, "The World Is Flat"?
If not, you should. It shows how outsourcing, off shoring, and other international business advancements have actually improved life for both us and those over seas.
I don't have the time to explain it all right now. But seriously, if you are interested in international business (like I am), you should definately take the time to read it!
If not, you should. It shows how outsourcing, off shoring, and other international business advancements have actually improved life for both us and those over seas.
I don't have the time to explain it all right now. But seriously, if you are interested in international business (like I am), you should definately take the time to read it!
If not, you should. It explains how every dollar must be CREATED, and the only way to do that is by manufacturing, and sending out manufacturing base to a hostile country such as China ***** us now and ***** us royally when we go to war with them in 50 years - they are the most likely opponent, didn't you know?
I don't have time to explain it right now, but if you look you'll see that Ford is trying to create a real honest to god world economy type situation, and everyone else is trying to sell their grandmother overseas for a dollar with no concern about our future. If you are interested in the way things actually work, as opposed to snowjobs and LIES, you should definitely take the time to read it!
10-11-2006, 11:56 AM
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Re: t70 on a sohc?
Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
I don't have time to explain it right now, but if you look you'll see that Ford is trying to create a real honest to god world economy type situation, and everyone else is trying to sell their grandmother overseas for a dollar with no concern about our future. If you are interested in the way things actually work, as opposed to snowjobs and LIES, you should definitely take the time to read it!
What in "the world is flat" is a lie?
10-11-2006, 12:26 PM
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Re: t70 on a sohc?
Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
What in what I've said is incorrect? The trade deficit in re the East is huge, and our jobs are leaving.
Companies are always going to try to find ways to make more money. That is their responsibility to their shareholders. I don't know if you have ever worked in a publicly held company before, but they have to be profit oriented. If they can save money through offshoring, then everyone is happy. Everyone except the person who lost their job.
In this day and age, and the future, the weak are going to fall further and further behind. The service sector (telemarketing, accounting, computer programming, engineering, scientific research etc.) will be outsourced to English speaking countries, and manufacturing will be outsourced to China. There's no question about that.
The only thing we can do about it, and what "The World Is Flat" talks about, is learning how to adapt and become leaders. Learning how to learn is going to be a great asset. Knowing how to adapt to changing economic influences and use them to our advantage is going to be what separates the sucessful from those who fall behind.
I don't know about you. But I am going to try my best to improve myself so that I can become a leader in the future of business.
Oh, and every dollar is not created through manufacturing. Banks create money every day by giving loans on a fraction of their reserves.
