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Slowly but surely I'm going to boost my slow ass Prelude. The motor is being rebuilt right now (to stock specs, it was about to blow the ---- up from oil starvation and many other problems) and getting a shitty ass oem replacement clutch because the dickhead doing this won't warranty anything aftermarket. My mom is helping me out with the rebuild BS since I'm in school fulltime and the ------s at my job don't pay me a ------- cent. So I'm going to keep bringing him back my car with shattered pressure plates, etc. >:D
So far I have:
-Oil feed/return lines. ($73, thanks Joseph Davis for the afternoon and I haven't forgotten your $10.)
-dsm mani, (free, thanks to the dsm noob at my school)

Soon to have:
-450s, walbro 255
-td04h, something around there. I don't want to blow my ---- up right off the bat, so low boost and a nickel sized turbo will do fine. Might look into a 16g, 18g if I see one for an okay price. If I got that td04h (no shaft play, 65k miles, dude wants $250?) will I need a custom adapter plate to make it work with the Dick Sucking Motors mani? I wish I could be cool and get a t3/t04e or something worth mentioning but maybe later.
-1g dsm bov
-More than likely a p06 with crome, JD will be tuning.
Any other suggestions are welcome.

O0

And some pr0n for while your thinking.

http://www.needbang.com/media/546/I-...ter-class.html

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$250 for a TD04H? ---- that. don't buy it. At least $150 of that can be spent on other parts for your kit. You can get a 14b for way cheaper and they are slightly larger than a tiny ass td04h.

Who cares if the guy won't warranty anything aftermarket. At least that ---- won't be blowing up.

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I've got to look around now for something bigger. I got to thinking about it and it's not going to be worth my time to get anything fabbed up to make that td04h work on that manifold. When I could just get a 16g or bigger that would bolt right up to it... Thanks for the insight on that.

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Toda, I have a 14b ill hook ya up with for $50 no shaft play.

You do know I port mani's right....

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Fabulous. I'll take it. :D
I'm buying a boost gauge and 2.5bar map sensor (probably a tad overkill but you never know...) from Project-D Rob here in about two weeks when I get the car back, I'll scoop your 14b probably around the same time. How much do you want to port that mani? I'll just bring it and let you have it to work on for a bit. This ---- is so much cheaper than FullRice/GReddy/RevHard/etc. turbo kits. ---- a kit.
HMT= :y

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just weld a t-3 plate on the dsm manifold thats what i'm doing for my g23 build

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sweet when you get a g23 dog ?

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you should do some research on what a g23 is then you will know and you can come talk with the big boys mmmmmmmkay

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Ahh the f/h frankstein. :-* That should be fun.
The wastegate in a 14b is set to 7lbs from the factory, correct?
Should I look into an mbc (nog style or otherwise) or just keep the 7lbs its at? I don't know now that I'm looking at a 14b for a turbo on my 2.3, how much boost to run to make 200whp+ I'm not looking at much more than that.

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lol

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i think it is 9 at least that what my 14b pout out on my zc with stock wg

i like the 14b on a h23

the 14b can put out about 230hp. i'm thinking that 9psi on a 14b will put the h23 right around 210hp+

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Do I need an mbc or :3 ?
If it's set stock to 9lbs then I'll leave it (210 is sounding nice), but IIRC I read that the stock setting was 7. Nonetheless, this should be fun.
Cleaning out the garage (a ------- trainwreck) as we speak and trying to find all the missing tools for the toolbox.
Anything not listed that you guys think I should look into? (the whole setup is not on here, haven't thought that far ahead.)
Basically 14b, dsm mani, dsm 1g bov, 450s, walbro 255, boost gauge and 2.5 bar motorola, oil feed/return.
That's what I'll have soon and/or already have.

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sweet sounds good



i think they hold 7psi on a stock dsm becouse there is some boost regulator thingy


but the stock wg'ed 14b on my zc held 9psi

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He's correct stock 14b does 9psi if its clocked in its original position. I also agree with the T3 flange welded as a cheap upgrade.

I ported Kalam's Ching Chong Meow mani for $20 so I guess thats the going rate at the moment.

Toda, my CRX is nearly complete. Will post pics soon.

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i was debating removing that little seperating flap in the dsm manifold output. you know the one that seperates the front and rear ports. good idea or bad ?

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Ive always cut the flap down bout halfway to remove the actual restriction, past that its pointless.
And then just cleaned up the rest of the ports and enlarge the actual turbo outlet only if your porting the turbo to match. The inlets of the manifold I always go 2mm larger around to help reduce reversion. As a rule of thumb the inlets to the manifold should always be a bit larger than the exhaust ports to create a "step"

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Ahhh yes. Pics of the rex are in order.
I'll be happy when Christmas comes and I hopefully get some money, that's all I asked for this year. Probably use half of it to start paying mom back for all this ---- and the other half on... you know. ;)
Rob, Andrew is selling me that brand new 255 and 4/450s for $135.
Turbo/ported mani=$75 ($5 tip cause I'm cool like that. O0 )
Whatever else you think you can do with the turbo/mani to hook me up with something nogfancy let me know and I'll toss you some extra cash.

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sweet i got a gangster ass die grinder i'll put to good use on this bitch :7

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Do I even need that fuel pump? Dumb question?

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Also just checked in the sticky at the top of the page, it says a dsm t25 and 14b are both set at 8lbs on the stock wg. Works for me. :y

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no not for 200whp

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---- bro for $250 you could get a Hx-35, and a ebay cast mani for around $100.

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he alrady has the 14b though

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Not yet I don't, will very soon though (I get paid Wednesday, but don't get my car back so I can go meet up with Hitchikkr for another 1-2 weeks :l ).
Not to mention my clutch dillemna. Oh well, he's just going to keep replacing them it seems. ::)
What numbers would I be seeing when I started to need a bigger fuel pump? ~250? That's good that means one less thing to buy. ^-^

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250-270



i've heard of 300 though

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Works for me. Just got the log mani about an hour ago, Hitchikkr I'll get up with you when I get the car back on getting that 14b, and porting the mani.
:6

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Cleaned some of the oxidation on the inside out, as well as a fair amount of rust on the outside. There are cracks on the outside. :3
Some super-n00b (he's not even in n00b territory at all) offered $75 to the guy I got the manifold from for his 14b that has shaft play. I'm going to see how much I can get for that manifold I got today.
It's all supposed to go on an N/A '88 300zx. :S

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I do not recommend a 14b on an h23, unless you like your powerband dying before 6500 rpm.

Not only that, but the heat produced by that small turbo at anything above 220whp is pretty stupid, for the power being made. You'll quickly put it out of its GOOD efficiency range. You'll end up having to retard timing because of the high heat causing pre detonation(at higher boost levels).

So, if you plan making over 220whp, don't go with a 14b. Get a 16g, at least.

H23's can handle 350whp+, stock block. Since JD will be tuning it, I'm sure it'll be safe too.

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Yeah I'm not planning on making much over 200whp... I hate how it's going to fall on its face efficiency wise, but while I'm in school I need something reliable (but an NA Honda is just gay? ??? ) so I can't go too crazy on it. I think the 14b at the factory setting on the wg will give me what I'm after, for now atleast.

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h23's max out at 7k anyways

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That was my thought.
14b=readily available, cheap as ----, can't hurt much of anything. Which is why one of them will find their way onto my car. :8

I'm about to have to covert this thread to a NSFW format. Too much jailbait posting on my local forum. :y

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Didn't want to go with an H22 crank when you rebuilt? :-\

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Got word yesterday that the h23 can't be rebuilt anyways, the block is warped and cracked, and my crank is screwed (saw it today, my main journals look horrible.) Already found a 91k mile h23, transferring timing belt/water pump, etc from when I had it changed in June to this motor and selling my old head (91k on a rebuilt head) and my old IM.

Got an a/f gauge tonight. Still have a ways to go, I'm going to try to rip that fucker with the V6 300zx off tomorrow with that cracked manifold. If he wasn't such a dickhead to me I'd let him on a little secret, but he can figure that out later. :4

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H23 cranks like to explode more than young asian anus

I'm sure there are exceptions but put an H22 crank in that bitch anyway.

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Hopefully if the new motor doesn't need anything off of my old one, my head, IM, and any salvable parts will soon be for sale. bitchasscracker needs a rod, if nobody needs a rod or two from mine, I'll just sell him all of mine for hella cheap because I'll have no use for them. I'll let you guys know by the end of next week what I've got up for grabs.

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Got my boost gauge, and 2.5bar map sensor today. (not waiting for someone local with anything lower, ---- it.)

Hitchikkr I could not find you anywhere at Shadyside today. :3
Let me know if you find a manifold anywhere, or a p06. I asked Goforth today and he had neither.

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Hey I was looking for you at the track until I realized I dont know what you look like lol. I didnt drive any of my cars I rode with mindy in the all-trac.

Harry has a manifold I found the other day in his junk pile I just gotta check it for cracks. Ill let you know.

Ask JD about the p06. I know he has a toasty p28 but ive already claimed it for the crx so you cant have it lol.

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Yeah Amber and Wes said you were towards the concession stand but I didn't see anyone that matched their description.
YES!!! Mannnnnnnnifold!
Also I got to thinking about it, I won't need to find an "extra" stock h23 exhaust manifold, I'm getting another h23 so I can just bring you the one off my old motor. :1 (That is if you still want to drill those holes for me, while you're dremel is giving my manifold a rim job...) Joseph said the other day he's fresh out of ecu's, and Goforth has none either (asked him yesterday). Should have the car back *hopefully* on Friday, I can't wait. I've got to get some more moneys together and I'll have turbo/mani/port job funds for ya man. I'll give you a call a little closer to time. :6

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I got the rotating assembly from the old h23 that was just taken out last night, here are some pics:

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http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t...ssembly068.jpg

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Hitchhikkr, here's that manifold I have that is F'd up:

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Also, still working on the HMT Lude project.

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Nice carnage pics. Too bad bout that crank.

Eh ive seen worse mani's but I think the one harry has is nicer, i havent been to the shop in a few days, ill let you know tomorrow if its gonna work or not.