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ok i am bulding a motor and going for 500+.. i am taking the crx back to a stock body car with oem bumpers and such,and need some suggestions,points in the right direction.. I WILL NOT CUT THE OEM BUMPER,so its not an option. i am thinking a liquid-air setup to keep it clean in the front without really giving away what the car is capable of.. i am looking at the same design as the vortech supercharger kits for the 99-00 civic SI.. the aftercooler.. i want to know if this will get me 500+ and still be pretty efficient.. this is about my only option for the look i am going for.. help me out..

here is a pic for those who dont know what im talking about..
http://www.superchargersonline.com/i...stang_gt96.jpg

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You could run the intercooler parallel to the ground like some of the F-Body guys have done?

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wouldnt be very efficient without airflow directly flowing on it.. i have also looked into a V mount configuration.. but the front end of a crx is too damn small

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Scoop underneath car to guide some air up there?

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dont want to deviate from the stock body lines too much.. plus there is a front lip going on the bumper so that woudl defeat the purpous

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Bad idea, the front end would lift and you would starve your radiator most likely with all the extra pressure being added to the bay. The bottom is the only route for air to escape. By making it go up you'll make it come out of places you might not want it to.

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Like your pee hole...

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yea i would runthe intercooler parallel and have a scoop force flow air threw it or buy a half size radiator and mont and intercooler next to that so it will just look like your oem full size

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Top mount with a hood scoop. You do not want to scoop air off the ground. You want that air to move as fast and smoothly as possible to create a partial negative pressure which will help hold the front end down. Race cars have flat or louvered bottoms for a reason.

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this is a crx not a suby..lol

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Well if you're scared to put it in the bumper, aren't willing to do some sidemounts in the wheel wells, and don't want a hood scoop, I don't know what to tell you.

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i didnt ask about sidemounts or topmounts and the car has a $800 CF on it.. so scoops are out of the question.. i want to know about the system i posted not what i can do.. i can make anything just about..

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Gonna keep it a street car with the a/w setup man?

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I decided to not go with air/water simply because the water takes forever to cool down in a daily driven situation. air/air will make tuning much easier for a street car.

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yes full street car.. unless i find a mint si for cheap to transfer all my stuff over to..

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i was thinking about that aswell but the cooler part will be in direct airflow.. and there is noway your driving a 500+hp crx daily.. well you could but the car is getting completely redone.. ne paint and all so i would be scared of a scratch on it if it was daily...lol

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Okay, get a big ------- air to water IC. Do not duct air from the ground up into a air to air IC mounted flat in the bottom of the bay. That just conceptually seems like a terrible idea to me.

Big heat exchanger for the air to water IC.

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Works for a lot of the el es juan folks. A/W on the street is going to be hard if you want to beat on it.

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yea it was never my plan to put an air dam/deflector under the car to direct air anywhere.. also the kits come with an ice tank for it aswell.. i was also thinking a boost cooler/intercooler less setup as well but i would need a hell of a tank..

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Well someone mentioned ducting air upwards into the bay, I was responding to that.

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first, with questions like this you wont be making 500hp.

second, front mounts are the only logical solution to high hp cars.

third, O0.

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First POST PORN YOU NOOB ----.
second YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ---- YOUR TALKING ABOUT, SO SHUT THE ---- UP!

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well firstly you STFU.. 2. i will make 500+ and 3rd.. go suck a donky dick.. if you have nothing to contribute keep your stupid comments to yourself

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1. Go post porn you ------.
2. Most high hp cars are running air/water setups.
3. Since when has 500hp been considered "high" in the world of drag racing?
4. Go die in a fire of aids
5. Hotrex?

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put a fan on the heat exchanging and run the air to water setup.

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well the cooler itself is like an oilcooler type deal which will be in direct airflow behind the front bumper so i think it should be enough for what i need..

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500 whp is nothing; CRX has more nose room than any other 88-91 Civic. Just run a normal air-air, but given your spatial constraints and power goals it'll have to be a good quality core. Precision, Spearco, etc.

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i dont really want to cut any of the front bumper.. would a nice water-air setup work for what i want?? like the one i posted the link for?

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5 or 6" thick aftermarket sidemount, stick it somewhere in the bay or wheel well, or up your ass.

Here's a 4" Dejon SMIC on dsmtrader:
http://www.dsmsource.com/classifieds...ct=20124&cat=2

Contact him to see if he has it.

Spearco 6" thick with fan:
http://www.racetep.com/mr2ic.html

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ok there mister sidemount...

1. where in the ---- are you going to put something that thick and run piping for it??
2. this car is going to be a topmounted sc61e so a 6" anything in the front or anywhere in the side walls is going to be pretty hard..

3. if it came down to it i could find my old 88-89 bumper to hack the ---- out of but i dont want to if i can find something really efficent besides 5 and 6" cores.. or air-air..

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How about a few of the heat exchangers in parallel for the air to water IC, or just a bigger one. What about a single core half radiator? When you shoot down every idea is ridiculous, you aren't giving yourself many options. Right now you have water to air IC but you're afraid of heat soak, which is understandable. Air to air ICs are out of the question because you don't want to do any kind of fitting or a little bit of difficult charge pipe plumbing. There's always meth injection, but you'll find something wrong with that I'm sure. So you can think of something, or you can die.

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im not shooting down everything.. i do not care to run more than 1 tank or the exchanger for the aftercooloer type setup i like i posted if that will make it more efficent.the most a heatexchanger is size wise i would get one the size of the old ac condensor if need be. that is not the exact one im am going to be using but something similar.. i will probably end up building my own box for it.. i have also thought about meth injection but i feel as if they wont be as practicle without some kind of huge resevoir..i am open to ideas but it needs to be efficent is all im saying.. this will not be a trip to cali car.. at most maybe rarely an 8hr drive to TN or 3 hr drive to WV.. nothing harcore.. and the car is already fitted with an EG half rad.. has been since it was turbo the first time..

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I meant using another half radiator as a heat exchanger for the air to water IC.

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oh.. that may not be a bad idea.. or could i just use a thicker core half rad and defeat using the second all together?

this is the kit if you havent seen it already

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/6...ermustagh3.jpg

keep in mind this is not the box i would be using but one designed for my engine bay

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I'm not fond of them for a streetcar. If you don't want to cut the bumper, eh, I can understand that. Maintaining CRXs as NICE first and foremost is an important thing with how scarce even beaten up ones are becoming.

Both Harry and Mindy Davis run water-air ICs on their Toyotas, I know Mindy picked up a LOT of temp drop from a bigger heat exchanger in the bumper over stock And Harry's car runs pretty cool for a water-air setup - IIRC, it's in the ~110 degree IAT range during the summer, either at idle, cruise, or from a WOT pull. I'm not sure what it runs in the winter, but I guarantee it'll be warmer than a non-IC setup due to how water-air setups heatsoak. I disagree with Harry about his oversized pump selections as I think he's running them without restrictors (which would introduce pressure into the system and bring a smaller pump's flowrate way up), but they can tell you about in-bumper core sizes. They probably have some good sized OEM Toyota units, too, that would either be big enough for you, or you could easily run two of them.

sales@mr2guru.com will put you in direct touch with Mindy, she also posts here as MR2 Gurl but I don't think she logs on more than once a week. Don't be timid about tech because she's a she, as she knows more about cars than most HMTers.

Do you have a Tractor Supply or Northern Tool where you're at? I might be able to bomb in and take pics of the $45 1 gph petite pump I recommend for water-air and light duty water injection.

:)

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Hacking up an old bumper and using a FMIC sounds like the easiest/best solution.

It's a modified car, if you want 500hp, you'll have to modify it a LOT.

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LOL, porn... understandable.. but im at work, maybe later.

how do I not know what I'm talking about? water i/c's are ------- stupid for most street cars. /topic.
If he's so worried about his crx bumper get another one from the yard and cut it up and save his stock one.

Most high power cars are running air/water?? ------- noooooooob. they are all air/air, or meth now. you never see air/water anymore.. since what, ~2003 when hotrod changed to meth.

he is talking about a street car right?? then 500 is pretty high.. high enough that you should have a pretty good idea of what you are doing and dont ask stupid questions about ---- like this.

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On a drag strip you can't beat dry ice in an air to water... unless you tape bags of dry ice to the front of an fmic.

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He has stated multiple times that this is a street car. Lets not clutter this thread with bullshit.

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so all in all if i can get a big enough exchanger i will have no real headaches as far as completely heatsoaked pile of ----?? i will definatly get in contact with her and see whats up.. and i dont have a tractor supply close i dont think but home depot and others are a rocks throw *cough* (grainger) *cough* away.. any info/points in the right direction are always appreciated!!