NX Ntercooler VS. Water to Air intercooler
08-08-2004, 07:54 PM
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Re:NX Ntercooler VS. Water to Air intercooler
thank you tegunderpressure for 1 pro to chill the intercooler. Keep the +'s coming
I believe if you spray the intercooler before you launch and during the entire run, then the air would stay cold netting much denser air resulting in more power and less detonation.
Can anyone second that
I believe if you spray the intercooler before you launch and during the entire run, then the air would stay cold netting much denser air resulting in more power and less detonation.
Can anyone second that
08-08-2004, 08:13 PM
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Re:NX Ntercooler VS. Water to Air intercooler
well my friend, thats completely left to the tuner. A NOS dry kit has no fuel enrichments when activated by the WOT switch, so just as you would tune to a dry shot, you could tune to the denser air from the chiller.
08-08-2004, 08:21 PM
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Re:NX Ntercooler VS. Water to Air intercooler
Unless you have nitrous controls with your standalone theres no way to tune for it unless you run it 100% of the time, which you cant.
And a dry kit does add extra fuel, it has to, because it actually adds extra air.
And a dry kit does add extra fuel, it has to, because it actually adds extra air.
08-08-2004, 09:55 PM
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Re:NX Ntercooler VS. Water to Air intercooler
Wow this thread turned instant ricer 
. Most dry nitrous kits "compensate" for the fuel by upping the fuel pressure like a *****. Nitrous works by splitting up the oxygen and nitrogen elements when it reaches 570 farenheit thus it gives more oxygen to burn during combustion. As everyone has been yapping without compensation of extra fuel for this extra oxygen there is no power to make. Another benefit nitrous creates is it cools the intake temps as nitrous itself is cold : P. Just a personal though on nitrous also is that it can maybe even increase your compression considering that the extra nitrogen content in your engine doesnt just dissapears when it splits.The whole reason you would have something cool over your intercooler is to treat from the symptoms of heat soak without busting out the garden hose(not getting ---- on the track), or at least. As far as having a shitty *** intercooler that just plain doesn't cool worth ---- there is an alternative called water/alcy injection which IMO would be a much better money wise alternative to spraying co2 on your intercooler. I didn't realise the NX ntergayness kit included a solenoid with a WOT switch, a decent idea but would only work on a dyno considering any gains would instantly be negated by your turbocharger sucking up all the CO2 while rolling. The ntergayness can use either nitrous or CO2 as stated on their site : P
The reason i call it the ntergayness is because the fact that ---- was mounted so crooked in 2f2f and the fact that they would even support that movie, hah. Gayness to the extreme^99 :P
. Most dry nitrous kits "compensate" for the fuel by upping the fuel pressure like a *****. Nitrous works by splitting up the oxygen and nitrogen elements when it reaches 570 farenheit thus it gives more oxygen to burn during combustion. As everyone has been yapping without compensation of extra fuel for this extra oxygen there is no power to make. Another benefit nitrous creates is it cools the intake temps as nitrous itself is cold : P. Just a personal though on nitrous also is that it can maybe even increase your compression considering that the extra nitrogen content in your engine doesnt just dissapears when it splits.The whole reason you would have something cool over your intercooler is to treat from the symptoms of heat soak without busting out the garden hose(not getting ---- on the track), or at least. As far as having a shitty *** intercooler that just plain doesn't cool worth ---- there is an alternative called water/alcy injection which IMO would be a much better money wise alternative to spraying co2 on your intercooler. I didn't realise the NX ntergayness kit included a solenoid with a WOT switch, a decent idea but would only work on a dyno considering any gains would instantly be negated by your turbocharger sucking up all the CO2 while rolling. The ntergayness can use either nitrous or CO2 as stated on their site : PThe reason i call it the ntergayness is because the fact that ---- was mounted so crooked in 2f2f and the fact that they would even support that movie, hah. Gayness to the extreme^99 :P
08-09-2004, 01:14 AM
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Re:NX Ntercooler VS. Water to Air intercooler
If you don't have real facts or claims against or for the Ntercooler chiller, then STFU 
I am looking for real facts on this ----, not how crooked it was in a movie nor what standalone will support a chiller!
I don't have a shitty intercooler and I am only looking on ways to improve ----. For the gay *** bullshit flag raisers, here is a pic of my intercooler so you can see where I am getting at
[img width=700 height=450]http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL667/2492508/4936978/62726476.jpg[/img]
I am looking for real facts on this ----, not how crooked it was in a movie nor what standalone will support a chiller!I don't have a shitty intercooler and I am only looking on ways to improve ----. For the gay *** bullshit flag raisers, here is a pic of my intercooler so you can see where I am getting at
[img width=700 height=450]http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL667/2492508/4936978/62726476.jpg[/img]
08-09-2004, 01:45 AM
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Re:NX Ntercooler VS. Water to Air intercooler
I see your problem you have a sshitcrome manifold.
And as far as a stand alone... you dont understand tuning
And if this is your "race car that isnt going to be daily drivin" why dont you build the internals and not worry about the nx ntergayness.
I was thinking of programming a micro controller to control water or alcohol injection.
your charge pipes are also really restrictive.
And as far as a stand alone... you dont understand tuning
And if this is your "race car that isnt going to be daily drivin" why dont you build the internals and not worry about the nx ntergayness.
I was thinking of programming a micro controller to control water or alcohol injection.
your charge pipes are also really restrictive.
08-09-2004, 02:05 AM
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Re:NX Ntercooler VS. Water to Air intercooler
Man, where do I begin?
Edelbrock Whitey, get it right... the Edelbrock is the one that requires constant tweaking - I'm sure Ted will agree with me on this one, I should have got a holley 
Okay, I understand what this thing does, for the price you are much better off just making your own. Lots of people use the paintball gun sprayers but come on... $7 to fill them up - ---- that. I have a commercial co2 tank that they call a 20 pound tank and it takes like $7 to get it refilled, works for shielding gas or for a keg setup. Anyways, ---- spending all that money for a rice product when you can make one yourself just as good. They are practical and if I were doing a heat exchange (air2water) setup then I would run it on the radiator that is needed for the heat exchange coolant (which will be a small little radiator/oil cooler).
Now where this gets hazy is when people say that the car is going to suck up what you are fogging on the intercooler.. not very likely, especially at highway speeds.
Another thing that I people forgot to mention is that basic FMIC are worthless when they are heat soaked and stopped in traffic. A heat exchange setup is a lot more efficient, water conducts heat better then anything else. I don't think it's even probable for you to even bring the water to boiling (sealed system) so thus I think it will work more efficiently continually over a FMIC. The science of it can be factored down to a specific point.
Now there are more efficient things like water injection that I would run before you get into all this madness of debating out the intercoolers. You can do whatever you want, I'm just bringing light upon things that you haven't thought about, I don't think there is any reason for people to start panic in here and get into a fight.
now onto my next concern.. what's up with the pvc pipe man? Does that even work? I don't know if that can be called innovative or extreme ghetto. Do tell more.
-ryan
Originally Posted by Whitey
did you convert that B16 fuel injection to a holly double pumper? MAP sensors are there for a reason
Okay, I understand what this thing does, for the price you are much better off just making your own. Lots of people use the paintball gun sprayers but come on... $7 to fill them up - ---- that. I have a commercial co2 tank that they call a 20 pound tank and it takes like $7 to get it refilled, works for shielding gas or for a keg setup. Anyways, ---- spending all that money for a rice product when you can make one yourself just as good. They are practical and if I were doing a heat exchange (air2water) setup then I would run it on the radiator that is needed for the heat exchange coolant (which will be a small little radiator/oil cooler).
Now where this gets hazy is when people say that the car is going to suck up what you are fogging on the intercooler.. not very likely, especially at highway speeds.
Another thing that I people forgot to mention is that basic FMIC are worthless when they are heat soaked and stopped in traffic. A heat exchange setup is a lot more efficient, water conducts heat better then anything else. I don't think it's even probable for you to even bring the water to boiling (sealed system) so thus I think it will work more efficiently continually over a FMIC. The science of it can be factored down to a specific point.
Now there are more efficient things like water injection that I would run before you get into all this madness of debating out the intercoolers. You can do whatever you want, I'm just bringing light upon things that you haven't thought about, I don't think there is any reason for people to start panic in here and get into a fight.
now onto my next concern.. what's up with the pvc pipe man? Does that even work? I don't know if that can be called innovative or extreme ghetto. Do tell more.
-ryan
