Manifold for my R6
06-05-2007, 05:31 PM
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Re: Manifold for my R6
I will be using a new Garrett GT15, only going with 7PSI. No oil cooling. H2o/Meth injection for inter-cooling. I have a wide band kit, BOV, PCIII with a GM 3bar to tie into the PCIII via their HUB. This will increase fuel under boost. We are going modest with boost and overbuilding everything to be safe. Gearing will be the tricky part to keep that front wheel on the ground. I am gonna go down 3 teeth on the rear sprocket to start.
06-06-2007, 10:35 PM
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Re: Manifold for my R6
Originally Posted by PoweredT3A6
IMO you'd rather have a ball bearing quick spool than max power on your R6.
There is more spool to be had in manifold design and downpipe sizing than journal bearing vs BB.
Originally Posted by blade8r
i will also explain WTF post if a 600 sport bike flows more then 1.6 honda motor.
Originally Posted by blade8r
here is my notes the setup i was going to use:
cubic inches of a 600cc engine is 36.6 btw
---Engine Airflow Requirements---
(CID × RPM) ÷ 3456 = CFM [it's to find out cfm first]
36.6 x 13000 ÷ 3456 = cfm
475800 ÷ 3456 = cfm
cfm = 137.67361
[cfm is calculated for 100% VE volumetric efficiency.]
[must use 85% VE for standard engine]
cubic inches of a 600cc engine is 36.6 btw
---Engine Airflow Requirements---
(CID × RPM) ÷ 3456 = CFM [it's to find out cfm first]
36.6 x 13000 ÷ 3456 = cfm
475800 ÷ 3456 = cfm
cfm = 137.67361
[cfm is calculated for 100% VE volumetric efficiency.]
[must use 85% VE for standard engine]
Haha, I cannot believe I am reading this ----. You realise those forumulas were crude 1940's caveman approximations for innumerate shadetree fools what can't do math more complex than single variable algebra? It held true for flatheads and GM engines during the smog era of the late 70s early 80s, and nothing more. An internal combustion engine is a LOT MORE COMPLEX THAN THAT if you want to mathematically predict or model one. However, they are freaking simple to get a real-world grasp on by using simple common sense.
A T3 or 14B is a good match for an engine that makes a tad over 100 whp stock out of the box. In the case of A6 or Y7, which both spool T3 and 14B just fine, they make LESS than an R6.
Where one of these turbos spools on a D16 is simple anecdotal information you could ask, uhm, anyone in this or most any thread on HMT? Look at a dyno of a D16 and see how much whp is being produced at point of spool. Now, look at an R6 dyno and look for the same power level - bingo, that is the point where displaced airmass is equivalent and the turbo starts whistling.
I don't even have to look to tell you that a T3 or 14B will work fine on an R6. A freaking IHI RHB5 is too small, IMO, they spool at 3000 rpm on a 1.2 liter 72 crank/62 wheel horsepower Subaru Justy and would create a twitchy hard to control spoolmonster out of an R6.
06-07-2007, 05:00 AM
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Re: Manifold for my R6
Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
Haha, I cannot believe I am reading this ----. You realise those forumulas were crude 1940's caveman approximations for innumerate shadetree fools what can't do math more complex than single variable algebra? It held true for flatheads and GM engines during the smog era of the late 70s early 80s, and nothing more. An internal combustion engine is a LOT MORE COMPLEX THAN THAT if you want to mathematically predict or model one. However, they are freaking simple to get a real-world grasp on by using simple common sense.
A T3 or 14B is a good match for an engine that makes a tad over 100 whp stock out of the box. In the case of A6 or Y7, which both spool T3 and 14B just fine, they make LESS than an R6.
Where one of these turbos spools on a D16 is simple anecdotal information you could ask, uhm, anyone in this or most any thread on HMT? Look at a dyno of a D16 and see how much whp is being produced at point of spool. Now, look at an R6 dyno and look for the same power level - bingo, that is the point where displaced airmass is equivalent and the turbo starts whistling.
I don't even have to look to tell you that a T3 or 14B will work fine on an R6. A freaking IHI RHB5 is too small, IMO, they spool at 3000 rpm on a 1.2 liter 72 crank/62 wheel horsepower Subaru Justy and would create a twitchy hard to control spoolmonster out of an R6.
A T3 or 14B is a good match for an engine that makes a tad over 100 whp stock out of the box. In the case of A6 or Y7, which both spool T3 and 14B just fine, they make LESS than an R6.
Where one of these turbos spools on a D16 is simple anecdotal information you could ask, uhm, anyone in this or most any thread on HMT? Look at a dyno of a D16 and see how much whp is being produced at point of spool. Now, look at an R6 dyno and look for the same power level - bingo, that is the point where displaced airmass is equivalent and the turbo starts whistling.
I don't even have to look to tell you that a T3 or 14B will work fine on an R6. A freaking IHI RHB5 is too small, IMO, they spool at 3000 rpm on a 1.2 liter 72 crank/62 wheel horsepower Subaru Justy and would create a twitchy hard to control spoolmonster out of an R6.
crude or not, it's still a reference we can use.
in either case, i never did mention a t3 or a 14b won't work on an R6. i did make a point saying that a 600 engine can flow enough make these turbos spoll near the high end rpm range.
i only tried to make apoint that those turbo are too big. well not unless if you think that your bike should rise to the heavens everytime you hit WOT near redline. then by all means jump and use this turbo.
i personally like being in control of my ride. i would like my boost to hit at a low RPM. i dislike looking at the sky uncontrolably. i want to have more control over my motocycle. not less. i want the power i can use not the power i have to stop from using.
i want more power to ride my bike. i don't want more power to fly my bike. also i doubt using a tiny turbo like that would make the bike 'twichy' at all. ever take a look at those turbo gsxr movies on streetfire? did you know they are using a t2 turbo on that 600. yup that's right a small tiny *** t2 turbo was able to push enough power out of that bike to make it rise at 8krpm. i woulnd't even dare consider a t3 or a 14b. to say a t3 would work fine is a load of ----. when a t2 turbo was able to do that. why would you possibly want a turbo 1/3 the size bigger.
you can see for it yourself:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q6ni_HbwjMU
http://www.turbobikeresearch.com/more.php?id=10029846&
06-07-2007, 09:06 AM
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Re: Manifold for my R6
wow 3400 for all that the bike comes with it right lolloolllodoesnt chinese kids make these manifolds yet? i know i seen gsxr1k ones on one of those ssauto sites, id still use a small t3 or t25, sportbikes are lame at low rpms anyways
