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Re: Got my 14b LS back from the Dyno!!
Originally Posted by d-t
Videos please :8
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Re: Got my 14b LS back from the Dyno!!
Originally Posted by bitchasscracker
he just gouted it doo doo
Sry If I'm missing something ??? |
Re: Got my 14b LS back from the Dyno!!
14b's suck donkey dick. I wouldn't put one on a 3 cylinder geo.
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Re: Got my 14b LS back from the Dyno!!
Originally Posted by Stealthmode
14b's suck donkey dick. I wouldn't put one on a 3 cylinder geo.
yea running 10's is gay |
Re: Got my 14b LS back from the Dyno!!
When's the last time you ran 10's on a 14b? 8)
I believe you already said 14b's are the only thing you've used so far, so I could understand why you think they're the whip. Grab a 63/60 on a D series and vote for your new favorite then. :y |
Re: Got my 14b LS back from the Dyno!!
Originally Posted by Stealthmode
When's the last time you ran 10's on a 14b? 8)
I believe you already said 14b's are the only thing you've used so far, so I could understand why you think they're the whip. Grab a 63/60 on a D series and vote for your new favorite then. :y i never have but its capable i had a sc 61 on a d-series for 1 year, power was cool but waiting for boost till 5400 is gay never have i said there all ive used so far, i've used more turbo's than women |
Re: Got my 14b LS back from the Dyno!!
All these turbos... was this using the same FMU, or did you get a new FMU for every setup? :)
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Re: Got my 14b LS back from the Dyno!!
Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
All these turbos... was this using the same FMU, or did you get a new FMU for every setup? :)
no the sc61 was on a 95 coupe with z6 forged. with crome tuned by turbo options in omaha nebraska. |
Re: Got my 14b LS back from the Dyno!!
Originally Posted by bitchasscracker
lol
no the sc61 was on a 95 coupe with z6 forged. with crome tuned by turbo options in omaha nebraska. |
Re: Got my 14b LS back from the Dyno!!
Sounds like lack of usable power band. You have a hard time losing to slow faggot LS1 in the 12 psi range with a .50/.48 in a 2000 lb chassis.
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Re: Got my 14b LS back from the Dyno!!
Classic case of using a turbo that's too big on a motor that's too small for it. I have a book of tests this guy did trying different turbo combinations on a stock b16 tuned with a hondata ecu on a dynojet. He made his peak power out of a t3 .63/.60, 15psi made 347hp. He then swapped to a t04b and ran it at 15psi after tuning, and barely broke the 300 mark. I wish I had a scanner, I'd show the dynojet results...but I'm a poor bastard :P
I've been doing some thinking though...this LS block I'm trying to build is going to take way too long to be done by spring, so I'm going to try that little 14b/7cm^2 combo on my b16 and see how it does instead. A little less displacement, slower piston speeds, I wonder how far off from a d16/14b setup it'll be. I know it'll be more cfm needed than a z6, but hey...worth a shot and it'll be cheap as ---- for me to build :-\ |
Re: Got my 14b LS back from the Dyno!!
Originally Posted by ososlohatch
lol turbooptions is a homo site, it was tuned by transonic in omaha and yes the sc61 on the sohc was gay as ---- we put a 48/52 off a thunderbird on it and and 18 psi it ripped, when it had the sc61 at 20psi i would get beat by stock ls1 6 speed cameros's
oh yea i was thinking to hard and hurt myself |
Re: Got my 14b LS back from the Dyno!!
Originally Posted by slo_crx1
Classic case of using a turbo that's too big on a motor that's too small for it. I have a book of tests this guy did trying different turbo combinations on a stock b16 tuned with a hondata ecu on a dynojet. He made his peak power out of a t3 .63/.60, 15psi made 347hp. He then swapped to a t04b and ran it at 15psi after tuning, and barely broke the 300 mark. I wish I had a scanner, I'd show the dynojet results...but I'm a poor bastard :P
I've been doing some thinking though...this LS block I'm trying to build is going to take way too long to be done by spring, so I'm going to try that little 14b/7cm^2 combo on my b16 and see how it does instead. A little less displacement, slower piston speeds, I wonder how far off from a d16/14b setup it'll be. I know it'll be more cfm needed than a z6, but hey...worth a shot and it'll be cheap as ---- for me to build :-\ turbo would have been cool iv you can get the revs up. i was going to 7800 and it would still fall out of boost inbetween gears. and thats when people would pull on me |
Re: Got my 14b LS back from the Dyno!!
Originally Posted by bitchasscracker
turbo would have been cool iv you can get the revs up. i was going to 7800 and it would still fall out of boost inbetween gears. and thats when people would pull on me |
Re: Got my 14b LS back from the Dyno!!
Originally Posted by slo_crx1
Smaller exhaust a/r probably woulda made a world of difference on it then. Massive cfm with a quickness ;D
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Re: Got my 14b LS back from the Dyno!!
When full-race did their PINKS sohc, they couldn't do much with an sc61, then make a crapload more power downsizing to a 57 trim. I'm just sick of pussies getting huge turbos and running 6psi. Max the turbo out, or go buy a bmw. Braging about having a huge turbo [when running low boost] is like bragging about a 10" dick that even viagra can't make hard.
BTW just want to say something about the maps posted. The 14b was said to 'own the garrett all over the board'. Here's a 'thousand words' for ya... ^-^ http://www.stealth316.com/images/t3-60trim-cfm.gif |
Re: Got my 14b LS back from the Dyno!!
Originally Posted by HiProfile
When full-race did their PINKS sohc, they couldn't do much with an sc61, then make a crapload more power downsizing to a 57 trim. I'm just sick of pussies getting huge turbos and running 6psi. Max the turbo out, or go buy a bmw. Braging about having a huge turbo [when running low boost] is like bragging about a 10" dick that even viagra can't make hard.
BTW just want to say something about the maps posted. The 14b was said to 'own the garrett all over the board'. Here's a 'thousand words' for ya... ^-^ http://www.stealth316.com/images/t3-60trim-cfm.gif mine was @16 psi |
Re: Got my 14b LS back from the Dyno!!
Originally Posted by bitchasscracker
mine was @16 psi |
Re: Got my 14b LS back from the Dyno!!
Originally Posted by HiProfile
When full-race did their PINKS sohc, they couldn't do much with an sc61, then make a crapload more power downsizing to a 57 trim. I'm just sick of pussies getting huge turbos and running 6psi. Max the turbo out, or go buy a bmw. Braging about having a huge turbo [when running low boost] is like bragging about a 10" dick that even viagra can't make hard.
Originally Posted by ososlohatch
still not anywhere near its effeciency on a sohc though, for that turbo to be at full potential on that motor it would have to seen 34+ psi
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Re: Got my 14b LS back from the Dyno!!
Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
Full-Rice doesn't know a whole hell of a lot, despite their claims. They frequently build 700 whp cars that can't get out of the 10's.
Yup. A lot of people get all pissy-pants about spooling turbos to or "past" their advertised limits, but at ~34 psi on a SOHC I'm pretty sure that'd still be ~60% efficiency, and at that point an SC61 would be making more power than T04E. Spool time and great midrange power mean jack ---- at that level because it's - newsflash - a drag car. Pull a shitload of timing out of the lower rpms to get it to spool a little quicker in first, then put the timing where it needs to be in the operating range. For a turbo that size on a 1.6, you can manipulate spool time as much as 2000 rpms by timing retard, all at the expense of drivability, which doesn't matter on a drag car. Ya I was talking to an old buddy of mine last night and we were talking about all these full race cars with 700+whp running high 10's. His old 84mm b16a that was around 475 whp was a 9.60 car back in 99-01 and the car was far from light. Running your normal run of the mill t3/t4 turbonetics turbo,log manifold. Full Race is hype kids. |
Re: Got my 14b LS back from the Dyno!!
Originally Posted by HiProfile
When full-race did their PINKS sohc, they couldn't do much with an sc61, then make a crapload more power downsizing to a 57 trim. I'm just sick of pussies getting huge turbos and running 6psi. Max the turbo out, or go buy a bmw. Braging about having a huge turbo [when running low boost] is like bragging about a 10" dick that even viagra can't make hard.
BTW just want to say something about the maps posted. The 14b was said to 'own the garrett all over the board'. Here's a 'thousand words' for ya... ^-^ http://www.stealth316.com/images/t3-60trim-cfm.gif It was pretty much meant as a statement for my engine's demands, not as a general rule of thumb. For my motor in particular the 14b would still be sitting around the 70% efficiency range, as compared to the 60-65% range on the t3. Granted it's not much of a difference, but the t3 would be a better match if I was looking to run under the 12 psi mark. Also since I'm going to run a larger exhaust housing, obviously the map would look different than the one posted. I've said it before, I'm not a big fan of waiting for boost, I like that almost instant throttle response. |
Re: Got my 14b LS back from the Dyno!!
Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
Full-Rice doesn't know a whole hell of a lot, despite their claims. They frequently build 700 whp cars that can't get out of the 10's.
Yup. A lot of people get all pissy-pants about spooling turbos to or "past" their advertised limits, but at ~34 psi on a SOHC I'm pretty sure that'd still be ~60% efficiency, and at that point an SC61 would be making more power than T04E. Spool time and great midrange power mean jack ---- at that level because it's - newsflash - a drag car. Pull a shitload of timing out of the lower rpms to get it to spool a little quicker in first, then put the timing where it needs to be in the operating range. For a turbo that size on a 1.6, you can manipulate spool time as much as 2000 rpms by timing retard, all at the expense of drivability, which doesn't matter on a drag car. |
Re: Got my 14b LS back from the Dyno!!
Eh, you sure you didn't have other issues? That's an awful big power drop from what it should be, even if down on power.
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Re: Got my 14b LS back from the Dyno!!
Sry for the interruption guys. You are much more experienced than me. I'm doing my first setup and I have a t3 60/63 off an old t-bird, don't know what trim, guessing 60trim?
I'm going to run 10psi out of the box. This is going to be on a stock LS in an Integra. But I wanted ~250-260whp. So I'm thinking I need at least 15psi out of that turbo then? What are your thoughts on this turbo on the LS, I've heard great things about it matched to an LS, but I want you guys to make me feel more secure :P :-* I don't mind running 15psi, I know that whp is what breaks motors, heck I might even have Chris tune for 20psi, and run 10-15 daily. Open dp at that :o My neighbors are going to kill me, and people at school are going to look at mie like I have problems...---- em. :y |
Re: Got my 14b LS back from the Dyno!!
It'll spool quick and have good power, I had one on an LS once myself. 10 psi by 3000-3200 rpms easy.
Your guesses about power are somewhere between right on the money and a little low, but if you keep expecting 250-ish at 15 psi you'll be pleased. I've seen (high reading Dynojet numbers) 330 whp out of one of those T3s, but you really have to crank the boost to get there. That's a small turbine to try to pass all that hot exhaust through, so go to someone who knows how to tune conservatively for a small turbo. |
Re: Got my 14b LS back from the Dyno!!
^^ Cool, thanks man. seems like it would be a great matchup for the street.
Tuning: Xenocron |
Re: Got my 14b LS back from the Dyno!!
Chrisnog knows the ropes.
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Re: Got my 14b LS back from the Dyno!!
I did alot of researching on the DSM sites earlier while I kept getting a server error when I tried to get on here (you nogs are killin' me...have to wait until at least 10pm my time on the weekends for it to even work :P)...found some info on the MHI 7cm^2 housings. Supposedly the a/r on them is around a .50, but with the rpm that the td05h turbines spin at, it actually flows more like a .63 housing. Just a little info I figured some nogs might find interesting.
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Re: Got my 14b LS back from the Dyno!!
Originally Posted by WTF
14b's kick ass for the size/cost, but thats pretty much all ive used. i'd think a 16g would be a pretty good match to a ls motor
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Re: Got my 14b LS back from the Dyno!!
On the current topic of Full Race, samson was talking about some vid where full-rape compared a log manifold compared to their super l337 top mount and it magically made 50 whp more at the same psi.... right. :1
difference was something to the tune of 250 whp vs 300. |
Re: Got my 14b LS back from the Dyno!!
Originally Posted by SinisterCRX
On the current topic of Full Race, samson was talking about some vid where full-rape compared a log manifold compared to their super l337 top mount and it magically made 50 whp more at the same psi.... right. :1
difference was something to the tune of 250 whp vs 300. |
Re: Got my 14b LS back from the Dyno!!
Originally Posted by chris
who cares.
I just thought it was funny how MUCH they skewed the results. I knew they werent going to say their manifold did worse, of course, but 50 whp? Like anyone would believe that. Beating a kid fitted with full-race trim and showing him your whole turbo setup probably cost less than just his turbo manifold would be the best. |
Re: Got my 14b LS back from the Dyno!!
Full-Rice also tunes AFRs but not ignition when trashing the competition... YES a car tuned for a FR setup is going to make better power than a car with Brand X setup tuned for a FR setup. :1 PS chris is right go buy a $130 CDM drag mani clone from Donald, 57-60 trim T04E or 60-1 hybrid, and keep cranking the boost until people put their balls away when you enter the room because a real man has arrived.
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Re: Got my 14b LS back from the Dyno!!
How much did everything coast you to get your car boosted and up n' running?
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Re: Got my 14b LS back from the Dyno!!
Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
No, I like the 4G63, I just hate everything *attached* to the engine. This doesn't mean that I am not wholly correct in my statement that an LS head flows more.
I went through this with some DSM asshat in the HT HX35 thread, he threw the same bullshit flowbench numbers at me - if you want the detailled break down of how I broke one off in him feel free to check there, because it was a multi-faceted argument that he lost on all counts. Most significantly, what the DSM asshat couldn't provide me with were DSM power numbers that could hold a candle to a stock head LS dyno graph when I was more than willing to let the figures be modified to reflect AWD losses and totally discount the difference in engine displacements. There's a lot more going on here than junk flowbench numbers - the quality of the flow in question is pathetic, the actual flow dictated by bottom end geometry is pathetic, etc, which is why DSMs take 1.9 million psi to break 300 whp. DSMtard wanted to make effeminant hp per psi comparisons - which is all comparing headflow on turbocharged cars is - and got his dick put in the dirt because he lacked a clue. What the 4G63 has going for it is the ability to take a fuckton of heat and never fail, and the ability to handle a fuckton of power on top of it when DSMtards grow a set of balls and bolt on something bigger than faggot 16/20G. It's ability to handle large quantities of airmass is most excellent, and this is why Joey likes it. All of this has -->zero<-- to do with the fact that an LS will max a 14b well before 20 psi. Hell, a SOHC sucks one dry at 14-15 psi - you are aware of junk flowbench number discrepancy between D16 and LS heads, aren't you? http://forums.evolutionm.net/archive.../t-197890.html |
Re: Got my 14b LS back from the Dyno!!
THIS THREAD IS FROM JANUARY 2007!
WHAT THE ---- IS WRONG WITH YOU RETARDS |
Re: Got my 14b LS back from the Dyno!!
Originally Posted by 90lst
just to make sure u know what your talking about here it does not take 1.9 million pounds of boost to make 300whp on a eclipse. more like 11 to 12 with a evo 3 16g. so let ya nuts drop out of ur ass and figure out exactly what your talking about. and incase anyone really wants to see what mitsu turbos will max at incase you are planning on using one check out this site.
http://forums.evolutionm.net/archive.../t-197890.html |
Re: Got my 14b LS back from the Dyno!!
Originally Posted by 90lst
just to make sure u know what your talking about here it does not take 1.9 million pounds of boost to make 300whp on a eclipse. more like 11 to 12 with a evo 3 16g. so let ya nuts drop out of ur ass and figure out exactly what your talking about.
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