Garrett VNT 20 ????
#22
Re: Garrett VNT 20 ????
due to the egt's that gas cars put out, VNT's are not used much. Porsche is comming out with its first variable vane turbo in the new 911's. the way it works, it varies the exhaust turbine's speed for the best power at different rpm's.
trucks have been using them on the disel engines for quite sometime. wish we could use them on gas cars, it would give us a flat torque curve all the way to red line from like 1500 rpm's.
trucks have been using them on the disel engines for quite sometime. wish we could use them on gas cars, it would give us a flat torque curve all the way to red line from like 1500 rpm's.
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Re: Garrett VNT 20 ????
Funny reading this question, I was about to ask a similar one.
A VNT20 is a pretty large turbo though, capable of quite a bit of flow. I do believe the 2.5 Audi diesels came with a GT2052V which is a VNT17, not a VNT20. Bit confusing nomenclature, that. Similarly, the GT1749V I'm looking at is a VNT15, off a 110HP VW TDI 4cyl.
I agree it's rare on petrol engines, but the Shelby CSX used it... are these troublesome?
Geometry failure is also seen a lot on diesels with these turbos, but that's mostly due to carbon buildup.
So that extra 100c EGT really does 'em in then eh? There's really not THAT much of a difference between diesel and petrol EGT's...
BTW the Peugeot 405 T16 used a VAT25. A VAT25 has a much simpler single vane mechanism AND an internal wastegate. VNT's do away with the wastegate completely although it is said some large applications use an external wastegate. Never seen one though.
Marcel
A VNT20 is a pretty large turbo though, capable of quite a bit of flow. I do believe the 2.5 Audi diesels came with a GT2052V which is a VNT17, not a VNT20. Bit confusing nomenclature, that. Similarly, the GT1749V I'm looking at is a VNT15, off a 110HP VW TDI 4cyl.
Originally Posted by spyro
you cant use a diesel vnt turbo on a petrol engine it wont last very long (thats why you dont see them fitted to petrol cars )
its has been done but the geometry tends to fail
peugeot on the t16 engine had a similar turbo
its has been done but the geometry tends to fail
peugeot on the t16 engine had a similar turbo
Geometry failure is also seen a lot on diesels with these turbos, but that's mostly due to carbon buildup.
So that extra 100c EGT really does 'em in then eh? There's really not THAT much of a difference between diesel and petrol EGT's...
BTW the Peugeot 405 T16 used a VAT25. A VAT25 has a much simpler single vane mechanism AND an internal wastegate. VNT's do away with the wastegate completely although it is said some large applications use an external wastegate. Never seen one though.
Marcel
#26
Re: Garrett VNT 20 ????
Just found out many modern diesel VNT's are vacuum controlled through ECU modulation. rather than boost controlled like the old VNT25's were. Looks like that Audi turbo is one of the vacuum controlled ones. Probably difficult to control when slapped on a car without such controls.
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Re: Garrett VNT 20 ????
Originally Posted by web
Just found out many modern diesel VNT's are vacuum controlled through ECU modulation. rather than boost controlled like the old VNT25's were. Looks like that Audi turbo is one of the vacuum controlled ones. Probably difficult to control when slapped on a car without such controls.
and regarding t16 i know that its not a vnt turbo
what was the turbo used on the shellby , possibly custom made to that model
#28
Re: Garrett VNT 20 ????
i don't remember the exact model on the shelby csx, but you can look it up if you want. all i can tell you is its a garrett vnt and its about the size of a td04-tdo5 and uses vacuum controlled vnt. my friend hasn't had a problem with his turbo to date but i don't see what egt's have to do with use on petrol engines its irrelevant i think that its the production cost maybe, because these are bit more detailed than a normal turbocharger and they consist of alot more parts. just my .01 cents though
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