F22B1 Turbo Plans - T3 60 trim
 

Just wanted to get some feedback from you guys that have done similar setups.

I basically plan to take an internally stock motor and damn near double it's power output for less than $700 total.

Goal is to hit around 250-275whp and at least 190+tq on 12 PSI of boost.


Most of this stuff I have already or have made. The rest will be picked up at junkyards or wait for good ebay prices.

Internally bone stock F22B1 (all new seals & gaskets)

Mild port work on intake manifold and intake ports

Garrett T3 .60trim from a 86 turbo T-bird (freshly rebuilt)

External 35mm adj. Wastegate

Boost controller

Custom downpipe, wastegate pipe & collector

HKS SSQV adj. BOV

Custom turbo header

Header wrap on turbo header, wategate pipe, downpie, and collector

Chipped & tuned P28

GM 2 bar MAP

eBay special catch can kit

Custom turbo oil and coolant lines

Custom 2.5" charge pipes/intercooler piping

Large Intercooler

550cc Injectors

MSD 6AL

MSD HVC coil

MSD Cap & Wires

Megan racing adj. cam gear

eBay special adj. FPR

Turbo timer

Of course one step colder spark plugs


Here's the compressor map:
http://www.turbofast.com.au/img/t3-60.JPG

so at 12PSI (1.81 press. ratio)

with

CMf (12psi, 3000 RPM) = 12.15 lb/min
CMf (12psi, 6000 RPM) = 24.29 lb/min

Boost would start to kick in around 2700-3k and would continue to rise to 74% eff. up till about 5.7k and even then would at least stay above 65% eff. all the way up to redline.

I know I could get a T3/T4 hybrid and make more power but like I said, I'm going cheap, cheap, cheap and I already had the T3 .60 laying around and it matches my needs perfectly.

I can supply the math I did to come up with this setup in case anyone is wondering. There's no guess work being put into it. I plan on boosting a stock motor 12PSI so I didn't want to take any chances. Let me know if you guys have any similar setups or suggestions. Plan on doing the turbo install within the next few weeks or month or so......whenever I finnish getting everything.

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looks like you've done your homework. parts list looks good so far too.. should be a nice solid set-up
good luck man

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yup, you are an educated noob. not too many around here, lol.

yea bro, nice setup, get some pics of all the home made ---- man.

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your going to try to get 275hp on stock guts of a f22b?

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Dude...no prob.... Im makin 260 HP 270 tq on a t3/04e 57 trim stage 3 garret at 10 psi. BONE STOCK f22b1. Custom built kit by me, Mikedope, and mani from Mike at LSD motorsports.Tuned on Crome Pro.

Ran 13.89 (with a 2.3 60 ') @ 102 MPH in my fullyloaded 94 accord ex...AC, PS, CC, subs, spare and my big 250 pound ass in the fuckr too.

Gonna put arp head studs in her this weekend (im having a very minor head lift issue under extended periods of boost), new oem head gasket+copper spray, install 3bar Map, redo crunched downpipe (ground clearance owns me) and cart her down to INTEC for a re tune at 13 psi...lookin for 280 WHP and 13.50s

motor seems to love it too... 175 175 175 175 compression after 3 months of continualll beating on it.

I didnt know ---- bout these motors till around 3-4 months ago. Im happy as all hell. Car pulls like a train, be interesting to have it in a hatch...... LOL

GOOD LUCK, good to se another boosted F

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Nice. Decent times too, but it might go a tenth lower or so with better 60' because of a mad top is what helps. Still cool. Any Vids? How do you manage more torque than whp on a 4 banger? I actually mildly looked into an F22 because they are singles 2.2L and cheap. ;D LOL.


Thread starter dude: Keep us posted. I never knew F22s to make THAT much whp. Go for it and keep us informed. :y



JP

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f22s tend to make more TQ than WHP (the f22b1, which i have even does it stock)...I dont KNOW why but my guess is the rod/stroke/bore combo. I know there is more to it, but not sure what else contributes. One thing is for sure you can feel that tourqe in that big ass accord. im sure i could drop a tenth or two by takin out the subs/ spare and all the ---- in my back seat, but i ran it like i drive it EVERY DAY.... my avitar is actually my setup..

Im probably gonna invest in sdome drag radials though.....shiot i could cut out 2 tenths by just gettin out of the hole better...Overall though, im really happy. Hope to have it done and retuned by BOTI at PIR in a couple weeks!!!

Ill take some vids there.

I like this site, you guys are alright. Not as much flaming and bashing as other places... O0

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I figured your avatar was it, but was yearning for more pictures. Looks like a big cluster. LOL. Umm, we honestly aren't that nice of a site. Take a look around and you'll see what I mean. You are a n00b, but VERY well informed with no stupid posts/threads, yet. :l Hmm, I'm going to look into the F22s just because I'm curious now. LOL. What is the normal threshold of a F22? And are different gen F22s any better or worse between the years? Thanks!!! I LOVE the D-Series, but F22 is almost UNHEARD of anymore. Skinnye rocks it, but D's and B's rule the performance/turbo world its seems.


JP

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for us guys with accords, f22/f23 and h22/h23 is all we got.

i will have my custom f22b1 turbo setup running as well.

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heyyy im a noob lookin for a little advice i kno a decent amount about the f22. mine is the non vtec version im looking to build a decent turbo kit runnin about 8-10 psi. i have a dsm manifold i already drilled the holes so it fits and am in the process of getting rid of my front motor mount. I have a t3 turbo with and internal wastegate and BOV on it, i also have a spaerco intercooler. my main problem is what to do with the ECU ive heard of a few options but i dont know what the best optoion is if anyone knows let me kno what they think thanks guys its good to see some ppl finally representin accords. i love my car and cant wait for some boost.

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by the way im dans friend dustin i have a gold 95 accord lx thnx guys

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correction, Skinny E used to rock it. till he blew up 2 ;).. i think theres new plans for the accord but i'm not at liberty to say

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Yo man:

If you like i could send you a ---- load of pics from home tonight... my email is briankspiker@hotmail.com.... send me your email addy, Id like to help anyone I can.... I did LOTS of research on HT before i opened my mouth... Learned a bunch,no flaming!!!! (LOL), but it seems like this site has a lot to offer.... plan to build a new Block and ---- for the summer. I would not go TOO much over 300 WHP with stock internals on the f series. The sleeves are Iron so you are cool there its the rods and pistons. However Im shooting for around 280-300 WHP with some upgrades im doing this weekend (studs, Head gasket, 3bar, new DP design...). I am confident that I will have more Tq than whp once again as well. The goal for the built block this summer is 400 HP, but i need to go up in injectors (DSM 450) as they are gonna be pretty close to maxed at around 300 HP

Ive got a buddy whos getting 335 HP on his kit on a f22b1 as well...

As for the cluster... It actually looks SEXY as HELL in person, You can see more in the additional pics i have that i can send ya later!! Everything from FMIC instal to pipe routing to mani install oil pan return, etc. Oh ya, I was even able to keep the front motor mount with some grindin and coaxin!!! Got pix of that too.



danronian

TRY and keep your front mount, or do something to help minimize the tourqe/ movement of the block... I broke my first cut down mount (the steel bracket that goes on the block) in half when i put in a mount insert...went back and re designed it now all is good, but it is amazing the difference in how solid the car feels with the mount verses without.

If I were you Id look for a P-72 (IMO) Thats what Im running on Crome pro. Love it- that or a chipped p 28 would be my suggestions- Good luck!!!
B-

Let me know if there is anything I can help ya out with.

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Well, thanks for the compliments and suggestions. I know the B1 will take 12PSI on a good tune. I'm not looking for it to last 5 years or anything like that. I'd keep it detuned between 8-10 for the street but the boost controller will be mounted in close proximity for those "spirited driving" moments.

bigdaddyvtec - I'd be curious to chat with you a little more on your setup since it is very similar to what I have plans for. Hit me up on MSN next time you log on.
accludetuner@hotmail.com

danronian - Scope out some P06's or P72's and modify them to run either Uberdata or Crome (same modifications). The P28's are no good cause you gotta modify them even more to remove VTEC and they are a little more expensive now a days. Check http://WWW.PGMFI.ORG for more information on the ECU's and modifying them. I can get some decent deals on ECU's and can do all of the modifications and get you a base tune if you need it. Hit me up on MSN or on here whenever you figure out what you want to do.

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"Dude...no prob.... Im makin 260 HP 270 tq on a t3/04e 57 trim stage 3 garret at 10 psi. BONE STOCK f22b1. Custom built kit by me, Mikedope, and mani from Mike at LSD motorsports.Tuned on Crome Pro.

Ran 13.89 (with a 2.3 60 ') @ 102 MPH in my fullyloaded 94 accord ex...AC, PS, CC, subs, spare and my big 250 pound ass in the fuckr too"


SWEET!!! I just remember reading a honda tuning article and they said the F22's were only good for 200hp or so. So i figured 275 would be detrimental. I planed on running like 6 or 7 psi in mine, but you kinda opened my eyes a lil bit for more HP. Howd she run in normal driving conditions?

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Other than a hole (stutter) at 4k (from like 3800-4200) its great. I have vtec openning around there, and if i pop it into boost its good times...if i try to cruise (in Vac) right at 4k it bucks a bit. Just needs some street tuning. Other than that, Part throttle is great, with good power, even out of boost.

As I mentioned, I am upgrading some stuff this week, and going for a re tune. im sure ill get at LEAST 275-280 WHP, prob around 283 TQ. Going for right around three...thats the goal. Im going to try and lower vtec a bit more and see what happens. Ill try and post my dyno sheet after i re tune. The fucker pulls HARD as a train. The tq curve shoots straight up at 36-3700 and stays pretty flat til like 5500 max HP is at 6000. Full boost by 3500...

Fun times man. Cant wait to tune her at 13-14 psi!!!!! Im not planning on going over 300 WHP till the next block/rods and pistons though...

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This is great! The F22's aren't the big pieces of ---- that a lot of shops/magazines claim it to be. I was gonna do what I could to prove them wrong, but looks like Brian's already doing that! Nice work man! I loved the pictures you sent too......got me thinking :y

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have you looked at the f22b2 ports? its 0--0-0--0. not evenly spaced like the f22a, JDM f22b dohc, or H series.
unfortunately accords from 1994-2002 (f22bx - f23x) have this oddball exhaust port setup.

if you ditch the front mount, i would recommend solidfying the rear and side mounts with some liquid urethane.

bigdaddyvtec could you post some pic of your 'modified' front mount?
(upload pics to photobucket.com and post the IMG tags.)

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bigdaddyvtec: I am interested in your setup as well. I will be boosting my 96 Accord and I will be keeping all of my accessories also. I am really interested in pics of the hotside of your intercooler piping. How you ran it pass the A/C hose, P/S reservoir, and window washer tank?

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Pics sent ;D

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I don't think that is correct about the P28. You can just disable VTEC in the rom if you need to. Also a P72 has VTEC. Just trying to clear up confusion. :)

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It's not correct, you can just disable Vtec with the click of a button... the problem lies in making a p06 work with Vtec, not the other way around (which still isn't really THAT huge of a problem)

f22's all teh way ;D

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Well, you can just disable it by set the engagement RPM so high that it never gets engaged. with a P28 or P72

with the P06, there is no VTEC at all unless you add that to the board itself.

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youll make a ton more torque than you are expecting. you should make your horsepower goal @ 12 psi.

i have the same turbo and same motor as you with less extra ---- you are planning and i made 246whp 241tq @ 10psi. not to mention going on a year with this set up.

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I don't know about Uberdata, but in Crome you can disable vtec, disable vtec speed check, and disable vtec coolant temp check.

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^^^ same in uber.

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So 275hp and roughly 250tq+ is not farfetched at 12PSI. I was shooting for somewhere between 250-275 but it looks like at 12PSI I'd be at either at 275 or maybe higher :y Hell if I could get the factory motor to last 6mos to a year on 12 PSI I'd be happy.

yardy...I'd like to see some pics of your setup if you have any?

And yes, you can disable or enable the same things in uber. I was mainly trying to get bonestock94 to look into the P06's cause they are non-VTEC already and sell for about $50-80 while the P28's and P72's are going for like $75-120.

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No prob mang....

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f4/bigdaddyvtec/m.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f4/bigdaddyvtec/l.jpg

These pics are of the first attempt.... Isnapped it in half after about five weeks. I got another one and didnt hack it as much...lots more on and off to make sure i retained as much material as i could, but ya get the idea.... The new one i made also has lots 1/4 inch plate steel bracing it. I doubt highly i will be able to break it. The next time my turbo and mani come off, ill take pics of my new one, it wasnt hard...just the second time around as i mentioned i spent lots of time on it, and it fits like it came stock...BUT BEEFY!!!!

Hope this helps you guys
!!!
BTW: this is for the LSD Mini tubular mani on an f22b1.

Spike- O0

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you do that with an angle grinder?

i am planning to just run w/o the front mount and just solidfy the rear and side mounts (like H22 civics, no front mount).

i got an LX rear mount and mount bracket cuz EX rear mounts arent shaped right to be solidified and are just like automatic tranny rear mounts which are POS.

Attachment 35830

LX mount filled with 80a shore liquid urethane, looks mint and feels real sturdy.
Attachment 35831

i may have to try and see if i can hack up my front mount with my angle grinder and see if i can get it to fit. i would like to keep my front mount since i already have inserts in it.

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Ya as I mentioned I have a front insert too... The difference with and without the front mount is dramatic... I used a sawzall and grinder to get it how i wanted it...But as I mentioned; on thee first one (pictured earlier) I cut a bit too much material out. Just make sure to do alot of fitting to make sure you retain as much material as ya can, the new one also has 1/4 inch plate steel bracing welded to it. there is no way itll break.

Just a word of advice- do everythng you can to run the front mount

I hope the pics helped!!! ;D

bonestock94 :

Nice work on the rear mount looks clean!! I believe the front mount will be of great benefit to you, when I broke mine, I could really feel all of the slop by it not being there...ESPECIALLY UNDER BOOST !!! It also caused my drain line to kink, get cut, leak and my turbo to smoke due to the obstructed drain line. It was a braided line from the stealthmode kit too. not cheap ----. The braiding is the only thing that kept it from completely getting sheared off of the motor.... glad i caught it soon and fixed it before my turbo got fucked up!!!

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X2!

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Thanks for the pix man!!!

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Hey, what are you going to run for ecu? i may have missed it? I have a F22B2 non vtec and was going to use a P06 chipped for uberdata, but the dyno guy i was going to take it too said that we would have a problem with the IACV? and have to make an adapter plate?

What did you do? guy with 260HP that sent me pix?

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you arent gonna have anyproblems with the iacv.

here are some pics http://bellsouthpwp.net/y/a/yardy8301/mysetup/

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Yardly, can you describe how you ran your hotside intercooler piping? I really can see it too well in the pics.

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the hot piping was a real mistery for me when i was about to do it. first there was no way in hell i could mount the turbo facing down. the front mount was in the way and i didnt want to get rid of it. the compressor side of the turbo is directly in the middle of the mount. i also didnt want to loose my ac so i couldnt face it towards the radiator and get rid of the ac fan. only other option was up. but doing that id have to make a sharp U to clear the hood. i had to get ghetto with it because at the time i didnt have any 'U' shaped coupler so autozone it was and radiator hose. you can see the hose in a few of the pictures. from there i ran 2" piping on top (with a little shaving) of the driver side fan. i had already planned on removing my washer fluid so i could route the pipe through there. but the abs unit (its an ex) was in the way a little. i tried moving the abs a little over but that failed so i got the trusty ol' dremel out and made the washer fluid hole bigger. ran thew pipe through there and from there its a easy route to the intercooler.

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Is there anyway you could see that it could be routed with the washer fluid still intact? Did you do anything with the PS reservoir?

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ive seen peopl route it and keep the washer fluid but i cant see anyway in my car thats possible. i didnt do anything with the ps reservoir.

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What kinda piping did you use? How many pieces? I am having a hellava time finding some 2" aluminum mandrel bends.

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i actually bought all my piping from someone who had a boosted accord previously. i then had to modify a few things. mine isnt aluminum i know that much.