noboostedEGo

are you talking about the transfer case? if so, good luck still getting that honored, they don't even have to replace the case. 3bolt rear-ends in the 90-91s break moderately easily, depending on how aggressive the launching is. however, 4bolt rears in the 92+ are stout.

reddevil

I "lost" to a DSM today. haha

The old school Galant. 11.48 @ 127 mph..... He got kicked, but it was a happy kick.

pLaYbOi

i think your friend is a moron for the more reliable than a honda comment. He'll def. make more power for cheaper but will run into problems a lot quicker. I REALLY wouldn't look at this whole thing as a what car can do what for X ammount of money, i'd look at it as, drive a car that you like, if you're faster than the other guy...you're the man in all circumstances.

USS

tell him that dsms = parts cars1

2G6

As soon as I saw the title of this thread I was like, "Oh ----, here we go again on this dead horse." Bottom line is that both cars have their pros and cons. The DSM can handle massive boost on stock internals and is AWD so it can put the power to the ground, but if you aren't handy with a wrench then you have no business owning a DSM. Honda is light and when boosted they are quick, but with WWD they are severely limited in street legal trim.

In my experience the reason DSM's get a bad rep is because they are cheap and end up in the hands of boy racers who mod before maintain. These are 13-17 year-old turbo cars (1st generation), and it's retarded to think without routine maintence they'll handle 20psi for 200k miles especially when driven hard like most are. The good thing about Hondas is that they're cheap.

Until around 300whp the DSM is cheaper, then they're even until 400whp or so and then when they're both fully built I'd say the Honda is cheaper and easier to build.

They're both fun cars though, and DSM's get a bad rap because of ricer tards buying them up. I just hate douche whistles that talk ---- about DSM's when they don't have one or have only had one or had their buddy own one. Now if you own one feel free to talk ---- about it because you've earned the right. Anyone who can succesfully maintain a 400+whp daily driven DSM deserves respect in the car game, as with a Honda.

The one true statement is that AWD>FWD, bottom line; and ---- yo couch if you try to argue otherwise.

In this particular case I'd put my $ on the DSM if they guy isn't a tard. The fact that he's tossing 272's in on a 14b and a mildly built car with weak engine management kind of says otherwise, but maybe there's something I don't know about. I'd say pull the actuator line off the 14b and let it free boost. It'll max out right around 22psi, so he better have at least 550's and some sort of tuning. Those cams aren't gonna do much for him with his car in that state and there are way better things he could do for the price of cams to make his car faster, even on a 14b.

People click off 12's on 14b's in full weight 1G's all the time. Even on stock injectors and clutch. It all dpends on how good he is and how good he has his car dialed in. Most noobish DSM owners will be hard pressed to eek high 13's out of their 14b powered cars. This is all bench racing anyway, so we'll see what happens. Bottom line is, 49.5cc Vespa>DSM+Honda combined. I'll race anyone on this site for pinks with my 4whp and 8ft/lbs.

RotaryGeek

I have never owned a dsm, But i was seriously looking into buying one from a friend. I did Tons of hours of research on them and even went as far as helping him build his motor and put it in. I have replaced turbos and downpipes, changed axles and done the most extreme tune up i have ever seen on this dsm. Im not talking out my ***. The 14b is a good starter turbo, and i love the way you can still be riding the clutch and be in boost already, but it is too small for that amount of boost. If bench racing is your specialty the you would understand. Off the line the honda is going to get tore up, but if tuned right and built well it should win in the later gears/ half of the track.

02vortec

i know this. my truck pulls 1.79 60ft. on a pegleg, nitto 555r's and some slapper bars. My friends sprayed (75shot) B20 Crx hatch on full slicks can only manage a 1.97 but his launch feels harder then mine. I have run many hondas in my truck and know how capable they are 3rd gear and up (when they got some power to them). thats why i was going that route. With my "bigger" turbo. AWD will always prevail from a dig (unless driver mod is not to be had).

stickman

Ok, well I have a 97 gsx. My buddy has a crx with a turbo d16 in it. He is pushing 10-12 psi on a 60trim T3 and supporting fuel mods and I was running 16-17psi on the stock ecu with a bigger fuel pump and a small 16g. My car outweighs his by 1200+ lbs. Off the line I'll eat him up, but in the topend you can definately see that his car owns. With a slipping clutch at the drag trip I was pulling 1.90 60ft times and he was pulling 2.1-2.3. I definately had him off the launch, but he ended up running 13.6 @ 107mph and I ran 13.9 @ 102MPH running rich as hell (10.54 at WOT on the wideband).

My money is on the DSM if he knows how to take care of his car and knows how to race. But like previously stated, the cars are attention -----'s. If you don't take care of them, they'll leave you on the side of the road. The stock fuel system in the DSM is good for around 250whp. With the small 16g on my car and supporting mods, I should be able to pull out around 300-320 with the 16g. We'll find out soon enough. I am about to swap in my 650cc injectors and finish tuning my AEM 24psi here I come.

If your buddy needs help to make his car faster tell him to come on the forums. This could be interesting