02vortec

my buddy is going to be buying 1st gen talon TSI AWD turbo And he says that hes doing it because its more reliable (GTFO!) and it will be faster for cheaper then a honda. As far as my total build cost i would like it to be under $4k. I already have the turbo and wastegate so that takes some cost out of it.

So im gonna take some graduation money and get an 88 CRX with a ZC and show him he's wrong. but im gonna need some help from yall as to what i should do with my set-up. I know @ hte track im gonna have a hard time running him down or from a stop anywhere unless he breaks and i was thinking about doing a set-up like speed phreaks 3 stage set-up..... but from a roll im sure that the little honda could pull it off.

Im going to be putting a bigger turbo on my blazer (MP T70 w/ .85 a/r.) and take my t3/t04e 60trim off of (.63 a/r turbine). I was thinking about running an STD manifold. Not sure if im gonna need an adapter plate though.

Exhaust- 3.5" DP to a 3" full exhaust w/ lots of resonators and a flow through muffler. dont want the ususpecting 3v mustangs to know whats going on

Would do a custom External set-up on it with an Extra 38mm W.G. i got laying around.

Tuning- AEM wideband, OXbox data logger, and crome PCM w/ 550cc injectors. (that is if crome can be used sorry if i spelled it wrong) and looking into a thicker HG to drop the compression


Things i need-
intercooler
tuning/injectors/HG
bov
SS piping
STD manifold
and car.

Im not sure what kinda power/boost a stock ZC can handle. so can someone tell me what that is? also does a GSR tranny bolt up to a ZC engine or should i just run a better clutch?. I know just enough about hondas to get by but i have always wanted to build one. sorry if some of this ---- doesnt make sence.

WTF

you gona lose the faster for cheaper argument

cberman

GSR tranny won't bolt up

Stock clutch will most likely slip depending on your boost levels

How does that come to 4 grand? Sounds like about a grand.

losesomethinbra

If you want to use a stock motor and you havent bought the crx yet, if you can find one with a stock B16 already swapped in I think it would better suit your goals... It wouldnt be much more expensive than buying a car with a ZC swap anyways. Stock for stock B16 can hold a lot more power than a ZC

02vortec

no i would like to keep my budget around $4k if it costs less then hell ill go ahead and buy one with a b16 swap already in it. When they swap a b16 they usually swap a stock b16 tranny or a GSR tranny in there? How much do CRX's usually go for with a b16? $3k? I could still prolly throw it together for under $4200 or $4300 right? Also its worht more if i find one with a JDM b16 because they are a closed deck block correct?


he is gonna run the stock 14b or w/e turbo comes in the 1st gen talon's with 272cams @ 20psi is his plan with full turbo back, and intake.

i would like to get a 110 trap speed if @ all possible. I realize that will be very hard with a ZC on stock bottom end.

ifly87

I dont think any b16 has a closed deck design, unless you get it from dart.

joebowlr21

yea honestly.....if u already owned a crx with a swap i would say it's alot cheaper to slap some ---- together.....but since u don't even have one yet.....gonna be a lil more costly

losesomethinbra

DSM's blue book is crap compared to honda so that gives him an advantage no matter what you do... How about you guys ignore the price of the cars and just look at what you spend on goodies

RotaryGeek

Unless he doesn't take care of the car and get the factory recall done on the rear diff of his car, he is going to EAT you off the line, and most likely through 2-3 gear. But a 14b at 20psi is going to weez like my grandma with a whole pack of camel unfilltered in her throat hole. A stock zc on 8 psi is about as far as im taking it. I have a dohc zc that im going to see boost, but i also have it bored 20 over and have eagle rods for it. Total cost for bore and rods $250. t3/t4 Turbo soon enough at about 10 psi will make me happy. If you get the right size turbo and some drag radials, I don't see why you wouldn't be able to pull on him in the higher gears. He will be pushing that turbo way too hard.

stillnoturbo

Still you gotta think if your pushing it hard just to be fast as him with a 14B. Wait till he tosses something bigger on it. If he drives it smart and doesn't beat the ---- out of it. Your gonna have a hard time being faster. Hate to break it to you...just little known tweaks to a 1g can have him hitting 13's all day and that's like stock ----. But then again if he just beats the ---- out of it...you walking will be faster then him cause he'll be dealing with fixing drivetrain ----. Its another reason why I didn't go with some crazy *** clutch for my VR4. I want the clutch to go out before I have to start replacing my drivetrain. A stage 1 Exedy clutch is all I went with.