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boost is fucking crack! Engine build pics
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10-13psi was definately not enough, just as my buddy told me. He said, you'll be addicted to boost, like a ------- drug or something. Sure enough, even running 12 psi daily, i was craving more than everyone else is running. So i started a plan to build the motor. at first i was gonna use b18b rods and a nice set of pistons, but school didnt have a .748" ream. So instead of spending the money for the rods and the ream and the time of the machine work, i bought a set of scat rods and vitara pistons.
Attachment 37122 another sick ass picture of these rods, i cant imagine what it would take to break these fuckers... Attachment 37123 vitara!! Attachment 37124 the cheap ass egay blockguard: Attachment 37125 For $190, which i thought was a pretty good deal, i got the block decked 3 times (apparently the deck was really warped) the head decked once, the crand micropolished and champhered, and an allign hone done on the cylinder walls. these are the notches in the bottom of the cylinder that were needed to clear those giant ass rods. if these things were't dead center of the bore, they would and still actually did, scrape the walls the whole way down to the crank. Attachment 37126 heres a pic of the crank, i dont know if you can see or not, but the journals look a hell of alot better than when the damn thing was sent to them Attachment 37127 the engine is currently hanging over the engine bay... i hope to button everyting up tomorrow or saturday. The best part of it all is the break in instructions for the rings, it says to do 5 full throttle runs from 30-65 mph! i cant wait to feel 20+ psi of boost. i plan on pushing the vitara pistons to the max, just to let everyone know what they can handle. I heard of someone boosting 22psi on them, so i'll probably start at 20 and work my way up. I just gotta wait for my MSD to come in and then i'll be set. btw, im gonna run a ct26 to show all the haters that it can make WAY more than 15psi efficently. This thing puts my .63/.60 to shame. Its twice the size. I'll try and get a vid or something up soon.. |
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boost is crack!
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sohc, the rods actually cleared? It doesn't look like you took a lot off when you notched the block. I notched the block more than that and mine are still hitting. Maybe it just looks like there wasn't a lot taken off.
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Looks pretty nice. How much did you spend on everything so far?
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all the milling of the head and block should work well with the vitaras.
how do the cooling holes in the head and hg line up with the block guard ones? looking good so far. good luck! |
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mindless- yea its a single cam. If it wasnt, I'd probably change my sn. Their notched pretty good, i didnt just clearance where the rod goes, about an inch and a half of the bottom of the bore (lengthwise) is notched. Its pretty deep, definatly got into the iorn of the cylinder walls.
stillnoturbo- it wasnt the big purchases (rods, pistons, machine work) that really got me. Its all the little ---- that i didnt budget for. Heres a breakdown if your interested. I got some more pics of the completed engine ill post later. scat rods- 250 vitara pistons- 138 (with overnight delivery because i got fucked by "guit guit" on eGAY) arp headtsuds- 100 acl rod/main bearings, thrust washers- 55 headgasket, IM gasket, EXgasket,pan gasket, valve seals, T belt, both crank seals- 160 Tap for head threads, 2 of my studs would only go about 1" down- 8 engine assembaly lube, feeler gauge, wd40- 15 and finally machine work. My block had to get decked 3 times to be flat. He said in between the bores where the cylinders meet was so warped, so it cost 75 just for that. but i also got an allign hone, micropolish journals and champhered oil holes, and the head decked. grand total was... $190 i dont have a calculator to add it all up but i spent more than i wanted to. just like crack. Im sure it will be worth it when i take that little fucker out and beat the ---- out of it. Its gonna be so nice to have the security of a built motor. |
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the holes in the blockguard are an exact copy of the ones in the hg.
Yea, d sereis compression calculator said 8.8 or something so im assuming its pretty close to 9:1 |
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Looking good.That is a great budget setup for boost.Keep the updates coming.
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Originally Posted by sohcpwr
mindless- yea its a single cam. If it wasnt, I'd probably change my sn. Their notched pretty good, i didnt just clearance where the rod goes, about an inch and a half of the bottom of the bore (lengthwise) is notched. Its pretty deep, definatly got into the iorn of the cylinder walls.
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if your using a dremel, that might be your problem. I used a die grinder with a big carbide bit to clearance. ---- still hurt my hand when i was done. when i look at that pic, it really doesnt look like their that deep at all, but they are. probably about .250"
i cant even give you a better pic, shits all back together :'( |
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Originally Posted by sohcpwr
if your using a dremel, that might be your problem. I used a die grinder with a big carbide bit to clearance. ---- still hurt my hand when i was done. when i look at that pic, it really doesnt look like their that deep at all, but they are. probably about .250"
i cant even give you a better pic, shits all back together :'( |
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the iorn cyl walls gave a 50,000 rpm snap on grinder and a good carbide a run for the money. if you didnt hit the sleeve yet, ------- give up.
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Sweet build, Looks like you got a good deal on the machining. Im interested to see what kind of power this thing makes.
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Originally Posted by daubleaaron
Sweet build, Looks like you got a good deal on the machining. Im interested to see what kind of power this thing makes.
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What tap did you use for the head bolts/studs??
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Originally Posted by sohcpwr
the iorn cyl walls gave a 50,000 rpm snap on grinder and a good carbide a run for the money. if you didnt hit the sleeve yet, ------- give up.
I just need a better bit to take a little more off. The bits that I used were just leftover in my tool box and were 85% dead before I started notching. |
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Nice project....
I see your using the Vitara 16v 1.6l pistons, are they a straigh bolt-on? I mean is the piston pin same size??? That would be great cause it means i could use honda pistons on my suzuki... |
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cyl head tap is a 10x1.25
yes, vitaras will drop into a honda. but hondas wont go into a vitara, their for press fit wristpins. |
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You're right...boost is crack mang ;D Where'd you get those scat rods from? I checked out the scat website the other day, and they had the listings for them, just no prices or anything...so I kinda figured they might be a bit more than what i can afford to spend. I'll probably have to get the TT rods, and more than likey do the vitara pistons as well since i really don't have much cash layin around. Keep us updated when ya rape it...i wanna see how long the vitaras last ;D
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yep boost is crack and I want more than the 11psi I'm running. your build up looks good!
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Sweet build.
I always wanted to try out a CT26; be sure to dyno the slut and post up. |
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i got some pics on my buddies cam of the rest of the build, pistons going in and ----. i just got it running today, but the goddamn holes in the adapter plate are stripped. im so ------- sick of that piece of ----. i wish i would have just made my own manifold from the beginning. i couldnt get 2 missing bolts this late at night to take it out tonight. First i lost the washer that goes under the banjo bolt for the fuel filter, but took one off my buddies car... then found out that i lost 2 of the adapter plate bolts. this car hates me. But it started, and idled... not bad for my first time assembling a motor.
leed- im a broke ----------er now... i dont know if ill ever pay someone $100 to tell me how much power my car makes. Ill do it myself in the 1/4. Definately curious about the ct. i cant wait. In my buddies cam are the side by sides with the nissan 63/60. Its more than twice the size. But at least i can rev my ---- to 8k now, to combat the lag.[ quote author=Minor Threat link=topic=52590.msg596653#msg596653 date=1133553240]
Originally Posted by daubleaaron
Sweet build, Looks like you got a good deal on the machining. Im interested to see what kind of power this thing makes.
^^^ i agree 100%. My buddy went to the dyno with his built d, running the turbo i have now, and zdyne on a built y8. at 20psi he make 278whp. On an engine half the size of a supra, im sure its gonna haul ass. when i switched from the 42/48 to the 63/60, it was rediculous. Im starting on the manifold this week for the ct. slocrx, i origionally wanted these eagle h beams that are always on egay for 225. But they werent there when i was ready to buy. there was a set of scats for 250, so i bought them. I use to drive a stang so i know scat is a good company, primarily for domestics, but a rod is a rod. and yea, im gonna boost the ---- out of those things. After the winter im probably gonna try running like 25-28psi on them. wish me luck! |
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What's your piston to wall clearance?? There's a on vitara's showing a lot of play on a stock 1.6 in good condition.
http://www.d-series.org/forums/showthread.php?t=27873 |
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just started it up and drove it home. Not to thrilled with whats going on. I dont know if it is break in smoke coming from the engine, but when i accelerate/make boost, it is still smoking (the reason i built the engine). I also have a bad miss, probably from the fucked up plugs. since no store was open past 6 today i couldnt get new ones. Im also getting a cel for IACV and O2 heater circuit. Im pretty sure their both plugged in. Ill update more tomorrow. i get out of work at a decent time so ill have some time to work on it.
btw.. piston to wall has to be pretty good, it really does sound like a diesel. As it warms up it gets better, but definately clankity clanks. Pics! |
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Thats me, tapping the cyl head because of the 2 studs that didnt want to bottom out Attachment 37096 Attachment 37097 thats my boy, plugging in the new valve seals. ill post up more tomorrow, my computer is so slow. |
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How much of an end gap in the rings are you running and how did you position them?
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Your rings probably have not seated yet. Do a few hard runs and hopefully it will stop smoking. Break out the compression tester to check if they are seated yet.
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yea, their not seated yet. i checked compression today. only 110. i cant do any hard runs because something in my ignition is fucked up. the car drives fine for like 2 minutes while its warming up, but after that if i more than rest my foot on the pedal, it misses like a bitch. today i put brand new plugs in, checked the cap, swaped the set of inj. out. it got better with the plugs, but definately still misfireing at low rpms and more than 1/4 throttle. Yes the plugs are gapped down to .030". I'm gonna try swapping the wires tomorrow, but their only 8months old. :-\
ring end gap was .021" i think. Right in spec. Even though your not supposed to, the oil expander ring gap is inline with the wristpin, the top and bottom oil control rings are 1" to the left and the right. the 2nd compression ring is on the opposite wristpin, and the 1st compression ring is inline with the oil ring gap. I did it this way because thats how my buddy did his. He's never had a problem. btw-- the smoke is now gone. i guess it was just break in smoke from the motor. coincidentally, it was occuring at the same time my car used to smoke (before the rebuild) |
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Originally Posted by sohcpwr
yea, their not seated yet. i checked compression today. only 110. i cant do any hard runs because something in my ignition is fucked up. the car drives fine for like 2 minutes while its warming up, but after that if i more than rest my foot on the pedal, it misses like a bitch. today i put brand new plugs in, checked the cap, swaped the set of inj. out. it got better with the plugs, but definately still misfireing at low rpms and more than 1/4 throttle. Yes the plugs are gapped down to .030". I'm gonna try swapping the wires tomorrow, but their only 8months old. :-\
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Any news dude? Did you get it running better?
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oh, man, this is heartbreaking... good luck, I hope it works out
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yes he got it running and verry well ;)
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ayone know where i can get vitara's for a good price
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csaddict on here or fjt on hondatech.com 125 bucks with rings pins and locks
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Originally Posted by thatguy668
yes he got it running and verry well ;)
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hey nice build up. but got a question, where do you find vitara pistons? i looked everywhere on the internet but i cant find them.
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hybrid hes got an extra set .20 over i think he is selling ill ask him
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So what do you think your compression is at now that you have the vitara and you had your block decked 3 times and the head decked once?, are the vitara's loud, how much are u boostin right now
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i think compression is around 9.0:1 yea, the std bore vitaras are pretty loud. But i also never lashed my valves after putting the top end back together.. so it could be valve tap, but honestly, i dont think it is. Right now im running at the limits of my turbo, 18-20psi. After i make the manifold for the CT, ill probably crank it up to 22 or so.
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how is she holding up around that psi?, anything you wish you did better on your build, im asking cuase im basically doing the same build on my z6 with vitara pistons
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