The Acclipse Turbo Project (DSM ACCORDS!!)
 

im soon to be runnin a 14b off my f22 auto, im def gonna get a trans cooler, but do i need the oil cooler?...plus since the turbo is water cooled i dont need a turbo timer rite?

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Well, if the turbo is water cooled and you will be running coolant to it, I wouldn't worry too much about an oil cooler. Also, yes the coolant in the turbo will keep the temperatures low enough so a turbo timer isn't needed.

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and im def gettin a trans cooler cuz of the damn auto!! SLUSHBOX!! ARGGG...thanks for advice

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Clean looking accord. Yes, definately get a trans cooler, I do for any of my personal vehicles. On my K5 I have a trans cooler that is about as big as a half sized honda radiator. It's a cheap piece of assurance, I know how crappy those honda transmissions with that sport shift crap can be (2g Integra auto).

As long as you let the car run a little bit after you pull it hard, say a cooloff period after an interstate ride, a turbo timer isn't all that necessary. An oil cooler is never a bad idea, you'll probably want one in the long run, I think it was the f22b1 that came with an oil cooler? Don't quote me on that one, but I remember seeing one on a stock honda somewhere. It's one of those things that can never hurt.. if you have the psi, I would suggest one.

Are you going with a dsm manifold to match that 14b on your f22a1?

-ryan

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thats what, i'm running in the delsol si auto tranny ,oil cooler, and tranny cooler.but the little civic radiator can not handle the temps of the oil and turbo.i have blew the tops off them. i'm also running a 14b.also on the 85-87 crx si has the oil cooler.it fit in my y7 block.only thing is you have to run that fat oil filter. plus my oil pressure stay constant now after running hard.sometimes a slight drop when ran to hard.would not hurt to get a stall converter either.

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well my car already has a trans cooler at the bottom of the radiator...but thats smaller...need to upgrade...maybe the jdm f22b2's have the oil cooler? no clue...

yeh im usin the dsm manifold for it, redrilled already to fit....any suggestions for me?

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i think most honda's use the same oil filters. if it does you might be able to use one off a b-d series.the tranny cooler,u can get one at o'reily for 30. that works great.

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well i got a hookup kinda wit a guy that sells hayden stuff...so ill atleast get the trans cooler there...but if i dont need an oil cooler thats money saved...

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Ok, first off, the transmission coolers that go thru the radiator are bad. The trans will always stay the temperature of the car, if the car overheates - brings the trans down with it. Get a decent aftermarket one, check on ebay. I decided to go with one that had threaded fittings since I don't believe in using rubber anywhere on a heavy duty truck, so bent brake lines all under the hood for me. The truck is a full time offroad machine, I don't need a stupid cedar tree that I'm running over to rip my trans line off. Look into a replacement for it.

On the oil cooler I thought it was like a stock f22b1 vtec accord motor, need to look into that more. Yeah I thought they were somewhat compatible, doesn't the H22/H23 use an oil cooler? I'm sure that should transfer over. This isn't a necessity, but would be nice to run one ya know.


Beyond that, is that dsm manifold working out good for you? Were you able to keep a/c with it? Is that a possibility?

Thanks for the updates.

-ryan

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yeh of course at the very least im gettin an aftermarket trans cooler..

the dsm manifold works...you can bend the a/c lines out of the way, if u dont want it then take it out, but its possible to keep it, but the front motor mount has to go...mite get a custom bracket, but i hear alot of people go w/o it

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Oh yeah, I forgot about the front mount, yeah most times I've read you're all good without it. So how well does that 14b spool up on the f22a1? When do you reach full boost (what rpm). I really want to get an accord, I like bigger cars and the accord just seems so easy to boost. I've done assloads of work on f22a1s before so I'm very familiar with them.. I think I'll find me a 5spd 2door, that would be tits. Nice to hear that the a/c is retainable.

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i heard from 2800 to 3500...dont kno really...im sure the dsm people would kno better...go for it brO just get one as a project car, 4g (90-93) accords are very cheap these days especially rusted out ones ;)

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Yeah I would love to pick up a thousand dollar 4g.. 2 or 4 door but at least has to have a 5spd. The f22 motors are some of the most reliable ones honda has ever released, ya normally see them lasting to 250k miles without problems. Not to mention they are sooo ------- cheap, like a hundred bucks buys you another one. Then using DSM parts is nice, makes for a very cheap and easy swap. How many psi you running?

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Dammit Quadnie!!! You do know that I drive a 93 accord manual 4 door with the dsm setup on it dont you!! I've even posted pics of the setup!

[img width=500 height=400]http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wNDE1MDk0NnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D.jpg[/img]

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Damn I wasn't finished with my post and hit post. Thats an older picture of the setup. Now it has an intercooler installed (Saab) and has some nicer piping. Any ???s let me know. I've done everything there is to do with this setup. Tried all 3 DSM turbos (t25, td04, 14b) and have done the install and removal about a million times. Yes the front motor mount has to go and you have to grind a small amount of the mount spot away. I have pics of everything if you want to see.

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i wanna run 8psi..

hey JD, whatd you use for Fuel Mgmt? @ what psi did u run? how long have you had the setup? and is it still running? any problems?

i got SAFC+BTM...im using a side mount ic..you were able to keep your a/c rite?

please post up all your pics and info please thanks!! if you have AIM, hit me up: Adam300ZX

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sweet JD i want to see all the pics you have of the setup. mine will be in by july ;) just waiting for stealths oil lines and a BOV that i think i got scammed on :( have to pick up another one i guess

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dsm bov's are really cheap anyways eric...like $40 bucks or something, but im using a xs type-h bov that i picked up for like $90, ill also be getting oil lines from stealth...im sure ull get your turbo in before mine :'( but i hope yours can last with your high miles...

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yah...if not. like quandie said. F22s are cheap as hell

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yeh i guess...and im sure there are some low mileage ones out there too...

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bah.. damn right.. F22as are one of the better motors honda has made.. not many ppl venture into them.. and call them worthless..

im in the middle of helping a friend out with his setup..not as HMT as some of you.. his so far has cost him some green... 3,700 so far.. lol..
but that includes everything..
too much ---- to list...
as for the basics of his setup
T3/t04e stg.3 wheel
450cc
uberdata
prepped motor for boost (headgasket/water pump/oil pump etc)
all the other goods..
bah.. when its done.. ull def get pics..

those who have been on cb7tuner.. may know who im talking about..

MidniteracerX :P

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I ran the hack with 450's. It worked pretty good for a while but I would get a cell every so often when I would barely get on the gas for some reason. It didnt affect performance or anything but I just didnt like having a cell. It happened when the turbo was off and the 450's and afc were just there too. Never figured out what that was. It runs really good and is quick as hell. I'm running 10psi and had a little detonation before I retarded timing a little in the 2500rpm range (thats why I dont like the hack anymore). I never had a problem with the car except when the first turbo went bad (bad seals) and it smoked like crazy. Now I am running a fmu instead of the hack with prelude injectors to get away from the timing issues. I'll post some pics up soon of the motor mount shaving and all that good stuff for you.

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since im usin a btm, how many degrees would you suggest to retard per lb of boost

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I'd try just 1 degree per pound and see how taht works for you. I never used the BTM before but I suspect that would be plenty enough.

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cool, i just wanna see more pics!!

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I second that :)

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----, it's like all the HMT 4g accord owners are coming out for this thread. JD, I didn't know you had an accord, nobody wants to talk about accords around here, it's either "CRX this, or LSVtec that". Tell me about your dsm turbo experiences, like how did that T25 hold up? I was really wondering what would happen with it on a bigger motor, did it become a flow restriction in the higher revs?

Hasn't anybody "chipped" one of these cars yet? I'm sure they have basemaps out there someplace for them. Adam mentioned to me that on the automatics there was nil support. Anybody running Turboedit with a 4g?

Thanks for all the input.

-Ryan

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to my knowledge no one has chipped an auto ecu...ppl with stick use civic ecu's and chip those...

and most the guys i kno run afc/hondata/ems or greddy emanage

i think eric would be the first guy i kno that is trying uberdata...im sure there are 4g guys out there that have used turboedit or uberdata before, but just dont kno of them..

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Would be nice to hear from them, especially to get their basemap. I'll have to search around for it when I'm up for some research.

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jd, what kind of intercooler were you running? and please post pics of your setup asap

cool, see what you come up with ryan...

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no research from me yet.. I just figured I'd give this thread a bump (cause I like it :P)

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jd?? ???


btw, i was wondering, what do you guys think, should i use 1 step or 2 step colder plugs?

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I have a bunch of basemaps for the F22...non of which i have been able to test because my chip burner hasnt arrived yet :-\ but my oil lines came in today (thanks stealth) so turbo is going in next weekend :)

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very cool, thats who im gettin them from...i just bought my btm from scottsi on this board, and should be gettin that soon, then ill get my oil lines from steve, and then just need a trans cooler and some plugs...then it can go in...need to save up first so maybe the fall...but be sure to take pics eric

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Hell yeah Eric, please keep us posted. I'll sticky your ---- for sure on a writeup (for a little while) and show favortism and all that BS. I think I'm definately going to have to get a 4g sometime in the near future. Ya guys will make a honda driver out of me yet (well yet again that is).

I've been helping Adam on aim with aerodynamics and ----, I should have saved the convo, some pretty funny ---- we are talking about. Anyways, let us know all the chipping details.

-Ryan

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err...lol stupid aerodynamics/airflow with shitty paint chops...on 56k LOL, i need to go back to my apartment with cable modem and adobe photoshop LOL

lol worst convo ever, dont even share that LOL

i still wanna hear from JD!!

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bumpiddy bump for ryan cuz i kno he loves me

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unless you are a hot single female - i don't love you (even if I DO love your car)

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why thank you :P ;)

but i still wanna see more pics of JDs stuff

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here is the pic of the manifold and what needs to be redrilled

http://www.tehrabbithole.com/carpics/Picture%20222.jpg

and here is a teaser pic of my setup :P
http://www.tehrabbithole.com/carpics/Picture%20220.jpg