custom Log mani i'm building
 

got all the parts from weiRtech and finally getting around to actually fabbing the thing up.. all tig.. i'll post some more pics once i'm done..
i can see why people charge what they do for custom manifolds.. and this is supposed to be the "easy" style to make LOL

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/5...rbomani8dj.jpg

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That is the easy style. I have made them in 1 hour and 45 minutes. Josh has done them faster I believe. I charge $170 for an internal log. You think that is too much?

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lol i guess if you have all the fab tools in the same shop, it might be quick.. but i have about 3 stops to make in order to build this.. my friends machine shop to cut everything up.. then to college to weld it up (building credits to get my certs) and then i take it to work to do a few things... LOL
probably not the most efficient way to do it. but unfortunately i dont have my own equipment and my own shop to do it in.

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Looks good.How long you been tig welding?I just ordered a tig and cant wait to try my first manifold.

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I think you forgot a flange :P

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interesting, I thinK, but it's okay to thing about it.
:P

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Son of a bitch >:(

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LOL its not done. i have the T3 flange sitting in the garage... this is for a LS turbo setup i'm dropping in my DA as soon as i get a chance.. the motors on the engine stand in the garage.. gotta make sure i have enough room as that full wide radiator.. the other turbo mani i had bought puts the stock WG actuator linkage into the radiator :(.. so decided to just make my own...

about how long i've welded.. i've been welding about a year. but i have the best teachers.. my buddy's at work all weld.. our company builds everything out of stainless steel most of the guys who are welders have been welders for MANY years.. our company has to meet ISO 9000 standards and a bunch of other stuff since it deals with sorting equipment for food product.. anyway.. i learn alot of the tricks of the trade on welding.. i'm actually an electronics tech..

i actually weld aluminum alot better than Stainless tho.. just takes lots of practice..
i went to community college and took the general welding class.. just happens that one of my friends at work who welds, is also an instructor at the College..
if you want to learn to TIG.. college is the way to go ;).. you get to waste their argon, tungsten, and materials ..

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getting closer to being done with the manifold..
just tack welded the flange on, to make sure fittment was perfect
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8554/lsturbo1ru.jpg

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Looks good.What is the setup and car its going in?The hatch in your sig?

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All that for a Warner Ishi/IHI T Bird eh?

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Why so far to the Driver's side? Hope you dont want to run an air filter. Looks great though!

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You've also got some clocking to do since you have it set up wrong. You have the oil inlet facing towards the radiator and the outlet facing towards the block, the top are for coolant. Unless you WANT to have oil spewing from the piston seals, I suggest you clock the center cartridge with the oil inlet at 12 o'clock and the oil return at 6 o'clock like it should be.

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I agree; the quality of welds on that mani deserve a better turbo. .60 trim T3, minimum.

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where did you get those mani pieces? i like the look of those...

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thanks guys,
yeah, i know i've gotta clock the turbo.. just havent gotten to that yet..
i've got a 93 integra RS i'm dropping this in.. the hatch is an all motor drag car..
one reason i'm using this turbo is i got it for cheap.. also for my driving style i think it'll do well.. its going on my daily driver.
i'm wanting full boost quick.. i rarely rev past 4k around town.. so something thats got good bottom end is what i'm looking for.. 230 whp max is what i'm wanting.. the IHI RHB52w should do just fine (yes, its from an 88 Tbird) .. in the future i may put a bigger turbo on.. but this is VERY "budget".... eventually i'd like a GT28RS turbo or whatever it is.. but way outta my budget.
i'm really not looking for huge power.. just something that will make it a bit more fun to drive and work well for my driving style around town.

i bought the parts from WeiRtech, you can get the flanges and other parts from him directly, or you can get the elbows and Tees from Mcmaster-carr..

i chose to mount the turbo there cuz of the limited room between the engine and full wide radiator, i think i'll still be able to retain my power steering with the way it is now.. i'll weld up an intake to run up to the grill with a filter.

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looking good my man, i would like to see your diwn pipe. are you making it?

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yeah i'm making the DP flange and DP.. i'll post pics when i get that far done

i've got some SS mandrel bends i'll be using for it..
next weekend i hope to swap in the LS motor to my DA.. then i'll start getting measurements for the final charge and exhaust piping.
i've got a huge FMIC for it as well.. it was originally fitted on a 92 GSR so i know it'll fit on my teg .. (its 25x10.5x3 with 2.5" in/out)

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Good luck on 230 whp, that's going to be borderline do-able, and dangerous to your engine.

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is that my old engine?

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joseph, how will it be dangerous? i'll only be pushing 12 psi boost max.. if i dont get 230 whp then no big deal..
i'm using crome pro, moates ostrich, PLX m300 wbo2 to tune it.

jeff, yeah thats the motor Cesar got from you

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1) In stock 180 hp trim, those IHI's strangle the 2.3's they come on over 5000 rpms. 2.3 liters sounds like a lot of displacement, but they have about the same specific output as a stock LS engine with the turbo removed... maybe a bit less, since I spooled my .60/.48 and my .60/.63 a lot quicker than 2.3T do.

2) Tiny turbines and dainty turbine housings are not safe. The engine cannot handle excess heat, and the only way it gets out of your engine before it melts it down is through the exhaust. Which can't flow against the tiny IHI restriction. Heat builds up and can't be shed effectively, detonation sets in quick.

3) Tiny compressors worked at or a bit past their maximum blow really hot air. So now you're shoving more heat into the engine.


I was serious, 230 whp the smallest I'd go (looking for safety and reliability) is OEM T3 turbine, preferrably .63 AR. Not that AR with OEM T3 means that much since they have a very small "stage 1" turbine wheel that can only pass so much exhaust, but sometimes the small things add up.

With stock LS cams, significant boost before 4000 rpms is nice, and makes things easy to drive, but it's not particularly fast until 4-6500 range. On the other side of the coin, significant boost before 4000 rpms also leaves you open to a lot of high combustion "dwell time," for lack of a better word. Instead of the heat staying in the exhaust, it has enough time to bleed a significant amount into the engine itself... thermally loading everything and setting you up for detonation/engine death. Time is one of the unholy triumvirate of detonation. This is why high rpm boosting allows small engines to crank out some power and still be really, really reliable. You won't hit 230whp in the lower to mid rpm range without shitcanning a stock LS, IMO, you have to rev it. *shrug*

One of the D15/D16 boys would love your IHI, if you were slick you wouldn't have to fork out much more cash to upgrade. It *is* the biggest factory IHI (I'm aware of).

Hell, if Jeff Frank is having good luck with those $5/pop SSAC T3/T04E's, that's the route I'd go. Stage 3 turbine wheel/housing, and feel free to go with a smaller AR turbine if you're that worried about spool. It'll ------- rip, you can get some exhaust (heat) flow past the larger "stage 3" turbine wheel, and the sexy bitches will want to ---- you AND blow you, instead of just blow you like if you run the IHI.

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Joseph,
thanks for the in depth explanation.. makes a great deal more sense now..
know anyone wanting to sell a T3 for cheap?
whats this $5/pop ssac t3/t04e deal?

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I thought the SSAC turbos went for $5/pop on eGay or some ----?

Internet Legends tell of Jeff Frank having four hundred free SSAC .57 trim T3/T04E littering his shelves... he is a dark and hungry God, but if you appease him he might kick you one for $4 shipped.

:P

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he doesnt wanna sell any :(

i've also got a KKK 3LDZ turbo from a 77 porsche 930 sitting here.. t3 exhaust flange.. says .63 on the turbine housing.. not sure what the compressor size is.

didnt really want to use it tho.. figure its older turbo so efficiency not as good..

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I had a 3DLZ, passed it to a friend. It's KKK/Schwitzer tag team, actually. And about as old as a straight T3, so don't worry too much.

I think she's good for ~300 whp, and the turbine wheel is a ---- ton bigger than the IHI you have now so she'll breathe enough to do that power if you ever get antsy. I say rock that on your way to 230, and beyond.

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what rpm can i expect to see full 12 psi of boost on a stock LS?

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A friend was supposed to bolt it to an LS, I never heard back from him about it.

I know a couple Porsche guys, we can probably infer from what size engine it comes off and where it spools stock. I'll ask.

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jd, always something good to say. and your to ------- smart. good show man :6

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I'm your average intelligent guy, obsessed with cars, 5-8 years older than most of you. Nothing I'm doing a lot of you guys won't be at some point.

Look at the tech articles in Hot Rod vs the ---- found in most import magazines... the import magazines have gotten better as the average sport-comp enthusiast gets older and demands real information, but there's still a gulf of 20 or so years average age between Hot Rod subscribers and import magazine generica.

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the porsche 930 was a 3 liter 6 cylinder engine..
thats one reason i was afraid to use this 3LDZ turbo cuz of the much larger displacement.

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I'd worry more about how the Porsche is probably laggier, to help keep the aircooled pancake six cool.

A 75 shot of Zex would clear up your spool problems, though. ;D

Still haven't heard any details...

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nitrous isnt an option for me.. not something i ever wanted on my daily driver.
i know i know it wont blow up my motor...
i just dont like refilling a bottle every so often
and i dont drag race anymore.. i never heard of people using nitrous on autoX (but that doesnt mean it isnt done.. i'm fairly new to autoX)

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few more pics of the manifold done.. but i'm gonna end up modding it a lil bit for the KKK 3LDZ turbo LOL
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/8136/lsturbo25tb.jpg
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1384/lsturbo31pv.jpg
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/6605/lsturbo44pc.jpg

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i was getting ready to get a mani made for my ef and sence i was running into the same problems as far as fitment, i was planning on mounting my turbo to the right side like that. but how much more un efficient is it mounted like that? enough to matter? not trying to hijack your thread JW. thanks....

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a lil update,
heres a pic of log mani, the turbo i'm gonna use, and getting ready to fab down pipe. thats an extra LS block minus internals in case you all were wondering.

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/5...bomock11aw.jpg
http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/5...rbomock7xj.jpg

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few more pics.. in the process of making my Downpipe.
http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/4397/turbokit3a4to.jpg
http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/4784/turbokit2a9gd.jpg

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I wanna see that when you get to it.

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JD, i have pics of the 3LDZ turbo, but am not going to use it on my car.. i'll probably end up selling the 3ldz turbo.. its completely rebuilt and balanced, just a bit bigger turbine housing than what i want to use.

the turbo on my last post is the one i'm going to use.

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Ah.