check out this turbo setup.
#43
Re: check out this turbo setup.
I believe the Mugen turbo kit for the 1G CRX had the turbo located behind the block. If I were doing it the turbo would be much lower, and it would use an a:w intercooler to keep the charge pipe lengths reasonable.
#44
Re: check out this turbo setup.
Originally Posted by booostedek
All in all thats true, this setup looks pretty good, charge piping would be a pain compared to normal standards...if all turbo kits were done this way it would be considered a pain...we're just use to the normal turbo on manifold set up and the way the piping usually goes....also a lot of people do remote mount turbo setups...on a c6 non zo6 vette at 8-10 psi it netted 550 some odd wheel hp....so it does seem to work well (for those who need to do this type of setup..realizing that is a v8, but point made)....and as for the heat and turbo thing..turbos do not like heat...look at what happens when you do stupid ---- like top speed runs on a turbo car, not to mention its going to take a lot more to cool that hotter air before it gets back to the throttle body...so at the same time you have to realize the ups and downs of both setups...I'm sure the charge going into the throttle body would be a bit cooler on a remote mount kit as opposed to a turbo on mani set up
#46
Re: check out this turbo setup.
Originally Posted by slo_crx1
Son, get back in line...I probably have done more boosted setups than you've had sex yet. The STS remote mounts were originally intended for vehicles such as the newer dodge ram's and tight clearance cars like the corvette. From what I've seen so far the STS sytem for Honda/Acura never really made it much farther than the prototype stages, simply due to the fact that front mount setups are much more economicle to build.
Originally Posted by slo_crx1
As for lag on the STS, I know there is...ever try out a relocated style manifold (such as the elephant style being used on here lately) as compared to a standard log/ram style manifold? I have...and yes, it lagged a bit more than usual. I'm not saying the STS has "8k rpm" lag like you stated, but more than a normal setup.It's exponential, noob.
Originally Posted by slo_crx1
Turbo's run hot, it's their nature. Engines on the other hand, do not like hot intake charge temps. Hotter air leads to hotter combustion, leads to *gasp* hotter egt's. Fuel and timing also adds into the egt equation. Top speed runs have nothing to do with how "hot" a turbo is...it has to do with how much stress is placed on the motor at high speeds, i.e. detonation and such under load. The motor is working harder because there is a higher load on it, egt temps raise because of said load. Egt's heat the turbine housing, and transfers heat to the compressor housing that compounds to the fact that the compressor is generating heat of it's own trying to push the air through. Now you have a higher intake air temp, which leads to detonation under load, and creates very high cylinder pressures when detonating...which leads to cracked sleeves and blown motors. I have personal experience in this, my old b18a1 block is testimony to detonation under a high load with 1 cracked sleeve (both inner and outer), 1 bent rod, and 2 broken piston skirts. Nice try, but next time do a little more research before you try to spout your "infinite wisdom".
#47
Re: check out this turbo setup.
Originally Posted by booostedek
Granted...you are right on why these kits were developed, but as for on a import like a honda they are in prodution...hondatuning happened to install a kit on a 00 type r...this car had a great powerband and produced great numbers on low bost
and I didnt state that remote mounts had a 8k lag, I was telling these kids I doubted that it was that serious...no worse than a big turbo on a ramhorn...and btw, if ramhorns are so great and obviously in your opinion produce the least lag, (which may be true)...wtf are so many big name companies running topmounts?...yeah, exactly
nice try *** basket but I'm pretty sure what was being spoken about was the temperature of the turbo not how high egt's helped you blow your garbage *** motor up, I stated that having a turbo located in the rear would help not only cool the charge more on the way back to the motor but also help keep the turbo free of the obvious heat generated in a engine bay, I'm not praising remote mount turbo systems but I'm not busting on them...just because my post count on this site isnt as high as yours dont mean ---- son, and you might want to step back in line for class so you can be taught something...When a turbo in a sense "overheats"...it seizes, therefore no more boost...resulting from high heat generated by long pulls (i.e. top speed)....Everything you said was infact true, but completely irrelivant to my point...I was stating that people are talking bad on remote mount systems because of things like lag and what not, I simply put that with ANY type of turbo system you have to give a little to get a little, in order to run ac most of the time a log manifold has to be ran, generating less horsepower....but yeah, nice try bucko...
and I didnt state that remote mounts had a 8k lag, I was telling these kids I doubted that it was that serious...no worse than a big turbo on a ramhorn...and btw, if ramhorns are so great and obviously in your opinion produce the least lag, (which may be true)...wtf are so many big name companies running topmounts?...yeah, exactly
nice try *** basket but I'm pretty sure what was being spoken about was the temperature of the turbo not how high egt's helped you blow your garbage *** motor up, I stated that having a turbo located in the rear would help not only cool the charge more on the way back to the motor but also help keep the turbo free of the obvious heat generated in a engine bay, I'm not praising remote mount turbo systems but I'm not busting on them...just because my post count on this site isnt as high as yours dont mean ---- son, and you might want to step back in line for class so you can be taught something...When a turbo in a sense "overheats"...it seizes, therefore no more boost...resulting from high heat generated by long pulls (i.e. top speed)....Everything you said was infact true, but completely irrelivant to my point...I was stating that people are talking bad on remote mount systems because of things like lag and what not, I simply put that with ANY type of turbo system you have to give a little to get a little, in order to run ac most of the time a log manifold has to be ran, generating less horsepower....but yeah, nice try bucko...
#48
Re: check out this turbo setup.
Originally Posted by slo_crx1
Lol...you're a funny kid. I've never seen a turbo in my life sieze from too high a heat range. I've seen oil get a little too warm and get thin and score the shaft and bearings up to the point that it may seize, but that's about it.
#49
Re: check out this turbo setup.
Originally Posted by slo_crx1
..............As for lag on the STS, I know there is...ever try out a relocated style manifold (such as the elephant style being used on here lately) as compared to a standard log/ram style manifold? I have...and yes, it lagged a bit more than usual.................
Son, you don't know what the ***** you are talking about. You along with so many others confuse LAG with BOOST THRESHOLD.
LAG = Time to boost when above boost threshold.
BOOST THRESHOLD = RPM when desired boost is reached, entirely load/gear dependent.
The increased runner volume increases lag, but by so little that you are going to need timing equipment to find teh difference. Boost threshold can actually DECREASE since it is far easier to make equal length runners.
#50
Re: check out this turbo setup.
Originally Posted by booostedek
I was gonna respond to your whole response but I decided to stop here...You obviously know how to read, or may just happen to know a little about compressors, but point blank you just contradicted yourself 100%...to say I've never seen a turbo seize from getting to hot..and then say "i've seen oil get a little to warm"...and in turn get thin and burn up, scoring the shafts and destroying the bearings causing the turbo to pretty much take a fat ------- ----..yeah, makes a lot of sense...btw, I dont feel arguing much with someone who made remarks to being over 30 and cant spell the word seize...point proven
Originally Posted by MADMAX
Son, you don't know what the ***** you are talking about. You along with so many others confuse LAG with BOOST THRESHOLD.
LAG = Time to boost when above boost threshold.
BOOST THRESHOLD = RPM when desired boost is reached, entirely load/gear dependent.
The increased runner volume increases lag, but by so little that you are going to need timing equipment to find teh difference. Boost threshold can actually DECREASE since it is far easier to make equal length runners.