230 single phase
#11
Re: 230 single phase
Originally Posted by sharkytm
From Miller's site:
Input Power
* Requires 1-Phase Power
* 230 V, 21.7 A, 60 Hz
20A will be fine, just dont crank it all the way up. Check and make sure that your 20A breaker is using the correct Romex wire, should be 14/3. You DON'T need 4-wire for 20A 240v, unless things have changed recently.
Build a converter cable, and I'd use a 6L-20P/6L20R for the cable end, and for the receptacle. Those are locking (twist-lok) connectors, so it'll be hard to pull the cable out of the wall.
Input Power
* Requires 1-Phase Power
* 230 V, 21.7 A, 60 Hz
20A will be fine, just dont crank it all the way up. Check and make sure that your 20A breaker is using the correct Romex wire, should be 14/3. You DON'T need 4-wire for 20A 240v, unless things have changed recently.
Build a converter cable, and I'd use a 6L-20P/6L20R for the cable end, and for the receptacle. Those are locking (twist-lok) connectors, so it'll be hard to pull the cable out of the wall.
220v is usually considered single phase for residential use, meaning 2 hot legs rated at 110v and one ground. In the US power is distributed to your house via 220v this way from your utility pole. Once it hits your meter base, it creates a neutral either through the panel, or via a disconnect if your house panel is a certain distance from the point of entry according to the NEC rules. Your panel is split into 2 sides, or legs, with each leg rated at 110v. When combined with a 2 pole breaker, you now have a single phase, 220v circuit. Single phase refers to the way the ac wave performs...a single line that oscillates at 60hz, positive voltage and then negative voltage of the same value (although technicly all electricity is considered negative in its flow, positive is more widely used as a base value). Now having given you a background in electricty, let's move on to your application.
According to NEC codebook for 2007, the amperage load placed on any breaker cannot exceed 75% of the breaker's rating. Therefore, if the the welder requires roughly 22 amps to perform it's task, then you would need a breaker rated at 30amps. To achieve 220v status, it means you would need a 2 pole breaker, 30 amp rating. Minimum wire size for 30 amp breakers is a #10 wire for copper, #8 for aluminum. So that being said, a #10/3 wire is minimum requirement for your application...2 hot legs @ 110v (black and red wires), 1 neutral leg (white wire), and 1 ground (bare copper wire). The plug you need will more than likely be for a dryer application setup for both a neutral and ground.
Sometimes it pays to have over 10 years in the electrical and electronics industry, although after this week I hang my electrician's belt up for good to work as an electronics technician for the government full time. Ask me any questions you might have if I confused you
#12
Re: 230 single phase
Originally Posted by ghettoturbo
hmm well i just checked the box and those outlets have like a double-breaker on them with each one labeled 20...so does that mean that those are 40 amp...or just 20? Either way the other ---- that was plugged into them was labeled 220v or 230v single phase. The welder says it needs 21.7 amps to run at its rated output, would it still be fine running on 20 if i dont push it to its limits? sorry im an electrical noooob.
Originally Posted by sharkytm
From Miller's site:
Input Power
* Requires 1-Phase Power
* 230 V, 21.7 A, 60 Hz
20A will be fine, just dont crank it all the way up. Check and make sure that your 20A breaker is using the correct Romex wire, should be 14/3. You DON'T need 4-wire for 20A 240v, unless things have changed recently.
Build a converter cable, and I'd use a 6L-20P/6L20R for the cable end, and for the receptacle. Those are locking (twist-lok) connectors, so it'll be hard to pull the cable out of the wall.
Input Power
* Requires 1-Phase Power
* 230 V, 21.7 A, 60 Hz
20A will be fine, just dont crank it all the way up. Check and make sure that your 20A breaker is using the correct Romex wire, should be 14/3. You DON'T need 4-wire for 20A 240v, unless things have changed recently.
Build a converter cable, and I'd use a 6L-20P/6L20R for the cable end, and for the receptacle. Those are locking (twist-lok) connectors, so it'll be hard to pull the cable out of the wall.
#14
Re: 230 single phase
You got it. Inverters pull power slowly enough as not to trip most breakers, or slow-blow fusing.
I've seen posts of guys with the newer machines are pulling 27-28amps on 20amp circuits without tripping the circuits.
But yes, 20amps is fine for you.
When wiring in 220v:
When the 110v lines have 20amp breakers, it's still a 20 amp 220v circuit, not a 40amp circuit.
I've seen posts of guys with the newer machines are pulling 27-28amps on 20amp circuits without tripping the circuits.
But yes, 20amps is fine for you.
When wiring in 220v:
When the 110v lines have 20amp breakers, it's still a 20 amp 220v circuit, not a 40amp circuit.
#15
Re: 230 single phase
Originally Posted by Toysrme
You got it. Inverters pull power slowly enough as not to trip most breakers, or slow-blow fusing.
I've seen posts of guys with the newer machines are pulling 27-28amps on 20amp circuits without tripping the circuits.
But yes, 20amps is fine for you.
When wiring in 220v:
When the 110v lines have 20amp breakers, it's still a 20 amp 220v circuit, not a 40amp circuit.
I've seen posts of guys with the newer machines are pulling 27-28amps on 20amp circuits without tripping the circuits.
But yes, 20amps is fine for you.
When wiring in 220v:
When the 110v lines have 20amp breakers, it's still a 20 amp 220v circuit, not a 40amp circuit.
#17
Re: 230 single phase
Originally Posted by Toysrme
It's 20 amps.
If you tried to pull a 35amp load on that it'd trip like a mother ******.
If you tried to pull a 35amp load on that it'd trip like a mother ******.
#18
Re: 230 single phase
Originally Posted by slo_crx1
I'm not saying to pull 35 amps on a 20 amp breaker...
If you can pull a 40 amp load, it's a 40 amp circuit. So don't tell people that don't have the best idea about what they're reading "it's a 40amp circuit" and have them think they can go plug a 40amp device in it. You're all bitchy to the other guy about blowing someone's house wiring up. Why don't you take a step back from that one & see you're just as bad.
ghettoturbo - I am no an electrictian, but I did install a sub-panel, 3 20amp 220v & 2 30amp 220v outlets. And an inlet from my Honda generator so I can power any 2 circuit breakers in my house. I do have a woodshop in the basement that sees semi-regular use of multiple 20 & 30amp machines at one time.
Trust me... You are perfectly fine drawing 22amps through that 20amp breaker. Your wiring, and outlets are not going to melt. And it's a god damned 20amp circuit. Somebody call him a ------ if he says 40amps one more time.
#19
Re: 230 single phase
Originally Posted by burkej62
If the breakers are interconnected as they should be then whatever it says on the handle is its rating . If it says 20 then it is 20 , not 40 , for each leg. #12 copper for 20 amp circuit. 20 amps may be what it draws but the breaker must be 30 because of certain NEC requirments. Thats #10 copper. It has an orange jacket. The only way to get 230 volts is with a 4 wire configuration, it is no longer acceptable to us your netrual as your equipment ground .
Originally Posted by Toysrme
No ---- shirlock.n You can't pull a 40 amp load on a single phase 220v powered by 20amp breakers.
If you can pull a 40 amp load, it's a 40 amp circuit. So don't tell people that don't have the best idea about what they're reading "it's a 40amp circuit" and have them think they can go plug a 40amp device in it. You're all bitchy to the other guy about blowing someone's house wiring up. Why don't you take a step back from that one & see you're just as bad.
ghettoturbo - I am no an electrictian, but I did install a sub-panel, 3 20amp 220v & 2 30amp 220v outlets. And an inlet from my Honda generator so I can power any 2 circuit breakers in my house. I do have a woodshop in the basement that sees semi-regular use of multiple 20 & 30amp machines at one time.
Trust me... You are perfectly fine drawing 22amps through that 20amp breaker. Your wiring, and outlets are not going to melt. And it's a god damned 20amp circuit. Somebody call him a ------ if he says 40amps one more time.
If you can pull a 40 amp load, it's a 40 amp circuit. So don't tell people that don't have the best idea about what they're reading "it's a 40amp circuit" and have them think they can go plug a 40amp device in it. You're all bitchy to the other guy about blowing someone's house wiring up. Why don't you take a step back from that one & see you're just as bad.
ghettoturbo - I am no an electrictian, but I did install a sub-panel, 3 20amp 220v & 2 30amp 220v outlets. And an inlet from my Honda generator so I can power any 2 circuit breakers in my house. I do have a woodshop in the basement that sees semi-regular use of multiple 20 & 30amp machines at one time.
Trust me... You are perfectly fine drawing 22amps through that 20amp breaker. Your wiring, and outlets are not going to melt. And it's a god damned 20amp circuit. Somebody call him a ------ if he says 40amps one more time.