VE and what happens when you put a turbo on
10-24-2003, 03:30 PM
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Re:VE and what happens when you put a turbo on
No, honestly, I get the point.
It's just you're not understanding the users here. They're just not interested. They want to know what they want to know, and tha'ts it. Some of them are still struggling to grasp how the hacks work. "Advanced Tuning" is a far cry from what people here are trying to accomplish. Most of them are just learning how to get the turbo system setup.
Trust me, I came on here spouting info, correcting people, in hopes to "spark good discussion", "make quality posts", what have you. This led to a huge falling out between me and Jeff. Now, I finally see what he's talking about.
Just let it go... when someone wants to know about advanced tuning information, they'll ask.. and we'll be here to answer them.
It's just you're not understanding the users here. They're just not interested. They want to know what they want to know, and tha'ts it. Some of them are still struggling to grasp how the hacks work. "Advanced Tuning" is a far cry from what people here are trying to accomplish. Most of them are just learning how to get the turbo system setup.
Trust me, I came on here spouting info, correcting people, in hopes to "spark good discussion", "make quality posts", what have you. This led to a huge falling out between me and Jeff. Now, I finally see what he's talking about.
Just let it go... when someone wants to know about advanced tuning information, they'll ask.. and we'll be here to answer them.
10-24-2003, 03:37 PM
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Re:VE and what happens when you put a turbo on
and so did you Sean, as you've done repeatedly on PGMFI...
Teaching is a lot like selling fast cars: you may have a 1000 HP motor with 2000 ft/lbs of torque under the hood, but if the thing looks like a turd with wheels, few kids getting into cars are going to want to bring it home to show off to their friends.
Likewise, if you approach a bunch of kids with a "I know more than you do" attitude, you are going to alienate regardless of whether your words could bring instant salvation.
I am certainly no god when it comes to engine operational and tuning theory, but I'm far from dumb. The way you have communicated with me (particularly at first before I realized you weren't actively trying to be an ***) really rubbed me the wrong way.
Please think about how you communicate because you have a lot to give to a place like this, but you need to be more mindful of how you come off.
Also: please note. I do not post here a ton because I believe it is often better to say nothing at all than say something not helpful.
Also Sean, realize I say this not trying to be a dick, but as your friend trying to help you communicate more effectively with a very different audience than you are used to.
Teaching is a lot like selling fast cars: you may have a 1000 HP motor with 2000 ft/lbs of torque under the hood, but if the thing looks like a turd with wheels, few kids getting into cars are going to want to bring it home to show off to their friends.
Likewise, if you approach a bunch of kids with a "I know more than you do" attitude, you are going to alienate regardless of whether your words could bring instant salvation.
I am certainly no god when it comes to engine operational and tuning theory, but I'm far from dumb. The way you have communicated with me (particularly at first before I realized you weren't actively trying to be an ***) really rubbed me the wrong way.
Please think about how you communicate because you have a lot to give to a place like this, but you need to be more mindful of how you come off.
Also: please note. I do not post here a ton because I believe it is often better to say nothing at all than say something not helpful.
Also Sean, realize I say this not trying to be a dick, but as your friend trying to help you communicate more effectively with a very different audience than you are used to.
10-24-2003, 06:20 PM
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Re:VE and what happens when you put a turbo on
nothing about my attitude is sad in my opinion...to be perfectly honest, i dont have the time or the care to spend getting everything with my car perfect right now...mayeb someday ill want to know how to squeeze every bit out of my motor, in which case ill ask for tips
10-26-2003, 03:36 AM
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Re:VE and what happens when you put a turbo on
Just read the post.
Thanks for the info Sean....I was thinking about that to...how the size of turbine housing could effect the VE.
At least this post helped me out. My turbo has a small turbine....so I started porting it a bit.
I don't get bothered by these posts though....no matter what the intention I always try to get the knowledgable info out of it. Although I want to say that it may not be liked by most people for someone to ask questions like a school teacher.
Maybe you can just post it as an info post or sumthing.
Instead of asking a question...just put the info in there and let the mambers read and if they got questions about it they will ask.
I got a question though...How does ignition timing effect the VE? and about the TQ production how much difference does it make?
How about advancing and retarding the intake and exhaust cam's? What would that do with the VE? What is BMEP??
Thanks for the info Sean....I was thinking about that to...how the size of turbine housing could effect the VE.
At least this post helped me out. My turbo has a small turbine....so I started porting it a bit.
I don't get bothered by these posts though....no matter what the intention I always try to get the knowledgable info out of it. Although I want to say that it may not be liked by most people for someone to ask questions like a school teacher.
Maybe you can just post it as an info post or sumthing.
Instead of asking a question...just put the info in there and let the mambers read and if they got questions about it they will ask.
I got a question though...How does ignition timing effect the VE? and about the TQ production how much difference does it make?
How about advancing and retarding the intake and exhaust cam's? What would that do with the VE? What is BMEP??
10-26-2003, 06:55 AM
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Re:VE and what happens when you put a turbo on
I think everything that needed to be said, was said. Most people on this board go to the junkyard and yank a turbo off the first car that has one. They aren't interested in building the perfect turbo. They want to weld up some pipes and slap an FMU on it and call it a day. You sound very knowledgable Sean, but maybe too knowledgable for your own good. Most people don't even know what half the words you were using mean. Hell, I don't, but I can still put together a nice turbo setup and pull some nice numbers with it. It might not be running at 100% efficiency, but it runs, works and drives.
This thread reminds me off back in school. How some people are very book smart and get straight A's all year long and do all thier homework, but can't translate any of that into real world situations. I look back at most of the people that got good grades and they work at fast food restaurants making minimum wage while at the same time can't discuss an intelligent conversation because they lack those certain skills. Like a computer geek that knows everything there is to know about computers, but doesn't know how to change his oil.
From another thread:
How do you fit that gigantic head into your super efficient car? We don't need your attitude here. It isn't helping anything.
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This thread reminds me off back in school. How some people are very book smart and get straight A's all year long and do all thier homework, but can't translate any of that into real world situations. I look back at most of the people that got good grades and they work at fast food restaurants making minimum wage while at the same time can't discuss an intelligent conversation because they lack those certain skills. Like a computer geek that knows everything there is to know about computers, but doesn't know how to change his oil.
From another thread:
Originally Posted by sean88accord
ive spent 2 days reading the garbage in this thread. UUGGHH is the genral gearhead populations really this underinfromed ? uugghh. i was gonna wiegh on on this but i will prefer to sit back and let joseph eat you alive instead.
the issue isnt can but should you. Yes you can use the Vafc hack. Should you NO. if you cant figre out the freeware stuff get a hodnata or a Zdyne and find somebody competent to tune it for you.
I could realy dive into this Today and Joseph knows i could bury you with pages and pages and pages of S/d thoery until your eyes buged out of your heads. but bascially i wont. Dont use the stinky cheese VAFC. its like Playing a $5000 PRS guitar with a ------- sledgehammer.
Thats all i have to say.
the issue isnt can but should you. Yes you can use the Vafc hack. Should you NO. if you cant figre out the freeware stuff get a hodnata or a Zdyne and find somebody competent to tune it for you.
I could realy dive into this Today and Joseph knows i could bury you with pages and pages and pages of S/d thoery until your eyes buged out of your heads. but bascially i wont. Dont use the stinky cheese VAFC. its like Playing a $5000 PRS guitar with a ------- sledgehammer.
Thats all i have to say.
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10-26-2003, 12:26 PM
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Re:VE and what happens when you put a turbo on
"How does ignition timing effect the VE? and about the TQ production how much difference does it make?
What is BMEP??" - i'd like to know too.
also so before we hit full boost should we lean out the fuel because the VE is less efficient then gradually raise it till we get to 90-100 (run normal here) then more as it steadily rises..., while retarding timeing for boost like the maphack rom does.
What is BMEP??" - i'd like to know too.
also so before we hit full boost should we lean out the fuel because the VE is less efficient then gradually raise it till we get to 90-100 (run normal here) then more as it steadily rises..., while retarding timeing for boost like the maphack rom does.
10-26-2003, 01:10 PM
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Re:VE and what happens when you put a turbo on
Originally Posted by atomikpunx
also so before we hit full boost should we lean out the fuel because the VE is less efficient then gradually raise it till we get to 90-100 (run normal here) then more as it steadily rises..., while retarding timeing for boost like the maphack rom does.
10-26-2003, 10:57 PM
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Re:VE and what happens when you put a turbo on
im about to get the diy wbo2, but is there a diy egt
or anything similerly cheap and ghetto?
or anything similerly cheap and ghetto?
10-27-2003, 12:50 AM
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Re:VE and what happens when you put a turbo on
Originally Posted by atomikpunx
im about to get the diy wbo2, but is there a diy egt
or anything similerly cheap and ghetto?
or anything similerly cheap and ghetto?
10-27-2003, 02:56 AM
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Re:VE and what happens when you put a turbo on
I'm not into arguing in the least bit but this thread sucks ***. Who really gives a ---- about VE and all that other nonsense. All I know is that I have a 14b on my f22a and I went and took it to a dyno and had it tuned properly and hit 212 hp to the wheels and I run the quarter in about 13.8 seconds. If you are building a drag car then maybe some of this ---- pertains to you but otherwise this thread is garbage. The technical part is very intriuging but all the smack talking is really suck. Reminds me of the old hoda-tech boards.
