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Tuning with BRE...questions

Old 02-06-2006, 02:44 AM
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Hey guys, I've been doing quite a bit of research about BRE here and at pgmfi.org. I'm almost ready to get started on a turbo setup for my car and I've decided to use BRE to tune it. I have a few questions though.

First, as far as chipping a PR3 or PW0 ECU, how is it any different than say a PM6 for turboedit?

Second I am planning on purchasing a chipping kit from xenocron's website, which chip should I go with - the Amtel chip or the SST chip? I would like to be able to use an Ostrich to tune but I may not be able to afford it. Which chip would I be able to use with and without an Ostrich? The website is a little unclear to me as far as which chips you can use with what burner and ostrich goes. Says the Ostrich works with 2732A, 27C128, 27C256, 27C512 but the burn 1 only works with AT29C256, 27SF512, and AM29F040. Does that mean I'd have to get a different burner if I wanted to use Ostrich in the long run?

How hard would it be to tune without the Ostrich?

Sorry for all the questions but these are the ones I couldn't find answers for by searching.
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Old 02-06-2006, 05:30 AM
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The burn1 can only burn chips, and the Ostrich can only emulate, not burn.

So, no matter what you need a burn1 to burn any permanent chips. The Ostrich is just a SUPER convenient thing to have. The Ostrich does not interface or have anything to do with the chips themselves; it just takes the place of a chip in the socket and emulates one.
As far as the diff. between the 27sf and 29c chips, I have used both, and I really liked getting the 27sf because they were much less expensive. For some reason though, I always seem to have the most random problems with the 27sf chips, Im almost a 100% sure its due to me not paying attention to small details, or my fingers being to fat for the keyboard. I never have problems with 29c's. They're my favorites.


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Old 02-06-2006, 06:38 AM
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tuning without the ostrich using BRE is quite simple. You can use the map trace to put your AFR from a wideband into the corresponding cells, then you can use the log analyzer to tell you where you need to adjust etc. All in all its a good piece of kit
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Old 02-06-2006, 12:19 PM
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Ahh, I understand now. I've never actually seen an Ostrich so I wasn't sure how it worked.

After looking at it some more I think I'll save a few bucks and just use a regular chip.
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Old 02-06-2006, 12:44 PM
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What engine are you going to run it on
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Old 02-06-2006, 04:31 PM
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B16A (OBD-0, duh)
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Old 02-07-2006, 11:46 AM
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Some OBD0 PR3/PW0 refuse to take 29C. I dunno why, they are wierd bits of hardware.
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Old 02-07-2006, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by N1ghtM0nkey
B16A (OBD-0, duh)
I know what car they come out of and what engine they run ---- stick, funny that with me having a Japanese SiR with a PWO-OOO ECU as stock.

You can use them on most OBDO motors and if you was building a high revving D series you might wanna use it on that seeing as it has better resolution all the way up the rev range.

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Old 02-07-2006, 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by surfer
I know what car they come out of and what engine they run ---- stick, funny that with me having a Japanese SiR with a PWO-OOO ECU as stock.

You can use them on most OBDO motors and if you was building a high revving D series you might wanna use it on that seeing as it has better resolution all the way up the rev range.

What the ---- are you talking about? You asked me what engine I was going to use it on, and then got shitty when I told you. I wasn't telling you what engine a PR3 or PW0 usually runs, ---- stick. I was telling you what engine I'm using it on...which just so happens to be what they're usually used on.

Imagine that. :1
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Old 02-08-2006, 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by surfer
I know what car they come out of and what engine they run ---- stick, funny that with me having a Japanese SiR with a PWO-OOO ECU as stock.

You can use them on most OBDO motors and if you was building a high revving D series you might wanna use it on that seeing as it has better resolution all the way up the rev range.

pw0-000 is actually euro spec pwo.
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