Tuning with BRE...questions
02-06-2006, 02:44 AM
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Tuning with BRE...questions
Hey guys, I've been doing quite a bit of research about BRE here and at pgmfi.org. I'm almost ready to get started on a turbo setup for my car and I've decided to use BRE to tune it. I have a few questions though.
First, as far as chipping a PR3 or PW0 ECU, how is it any different than say a PM6 for turboedit?
Second I am planning on purchasing a chipping kit from xenocron's website, which chip should I go with - the Amtel chip or the SST chip? I would like to be able to use an Ostrich to tune but I may not be able to afford it. Which chip would I be able to use with and without an Ostrich? The website is a little unclear to me as far as which chips you can use with what burner and ostrich goes. Says the Ostrich works with 2732A, 27C128, 27C256, 27C512 but the burn 1 only works with AT29C256, 27SF512, and AM29F040. Does that mean I'd have to get a different burner if I wanted to use Ostrich in the long run?
How hard would it be to tune without the Ostrich?
Sorry for all the questions but these are the ones I couldn't find answers for by searching.
First, as far as chipping a PR3 or PW0 ECU, how is it any different than say a PM6 for turboedit?
Second I am planning on purchasing a chipping kit from xenocron's website, which chip should I go with - the Amtel chip or the SST chip? I would like to be able to use an Ostrich to tune but I may not be able to afford it. Which chip would I be able to use with and without an Ostrich? The website is a little unclear to me as far as which chips you can use with what burner and ostrich goes. Says the Ostrich works with 2732A, 27C128, 27C256, 27C512 but the burn 1 only works with AT29C256, 27SF512, and AM29F040. Does that mean I'd have to get a different burner if I wanted to use Ostrich in the long run?
How hard would it be to tune without the Ostrich?
Sorry for all the questions but these are the ones I couldn't find answers for by searching.
02-06-2006, 05:30 AM
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Re: Tuning with BRE...questions
The burn1 can only burn chips, and the Ostrich can only emulate, not burn.
So, no matter what you need a burn1 to burn any permanent chips. The Ostrich is just a SUPER convenient thing to have. The Ostrich does not interface or have anything to do with the chips themselves; it just takes the place of a chip in the socket and emulates one.
As far as the diff. between the 27sf and 29c chips, I have used both, and I really liked getting the 27sf because they were much less expensive. For some reason though, I always seem to have the most random problems with the 27sf chips, Im almost a 100% sure its due to me not paying attention to small details, or my fingers being to fat for the keyboard. I never have problems with 29c's. They're my favorites.
So, no matter what you need a burn1 to burn any permanent chips. The Ostrich is just a SUPER convenient thing to have. The Ostrich does not interface or have anything to do with the chips themselves; it just takes the place of a chip in the socket and emulates one.
As far as the diff. between the 27sf and 29c chips, I have used both, and I really liked getting the 27sf because they were much less expensive. For some reason though, I always seem to have the most random problems with the 27sf chips, Im almost a 100% sure its due to me not paying attention to small details, or my fingers being to fat for the keyboard. I never have problems with 29c's. They're my favorites.
02-06-2006, 06:38 AM
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Re: Tuning with BRE...questions
tuning without the ostrich using BRE is quite simple. You can use the map trace to put your AFR from a wideband into the corresponding cells, then you can use the log analyzer to tell you where you need to adjust etc. All in all its a good piece of kit
02-07-2006, 12:04 PM
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Re: Tuning with BRE...questions
Originally Posted by N1ghtM0nkey
B16A (OBD-0, duh)
You can use them on most OBDO motors and if you was building a high revving D series you might wanna use it on that seeing as it has better resolution all the way up the rev range.
02-07-2006, 10:52 PM
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Re: Tuning with BRE...questions
Originally Posted by surfer
I know what car they come out of and what engine they run ---- stick, funny that with me having a Japanese SiR with a PWO-OOO ECU as stock.
You can use them on most OBDO motors and if you was building a high revving D series you might wanna use it on that seeing as it has better resolution all the way up the rev range.
You can use them on most OBDO motors and if you was building a high revving D series you might wanna use it on that seeing as it has better resolution all the way up the rev range.
Imagine that. :1
02-08-2006, 01:05 AM
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Re: Tuning with BRE...questions
Originally Posted by surfer
I know what car they come out of and what engine they run ---- stick, funny that with me having a Japanese SiR with a PWO-OOO ECU as stock.
You can use them on most OBDO motors and if you was building a high revving D series you might wanna use it on that seeing as it has better resolution all the way up the rev range.
You can use them on most OBDO motors and if you was building a high revving D series you might wanna use it on that seeing as it has better resolution all the way up the rev range.
