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I think this would be a great idea, especially the DVD, I'd pay more than $50 if its done in a manner where I'll actually learn alot from it, and since its a DVD I can always go back and reference to something if I'm not sure.
Another good reason for a DVD is that most of us own laptops and will have them in our cars during tuning, we can always have the DVD on hand for times like this.

I know it would take alot of setting up and even more work edeting but I believe its well worth it. At least it will be much better than Omniman's NA B16 DVD which I think was a total waste of money because it was rushed and any idiot can put together an NA 200HP motor when you have $$$ coming out of your ass.

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I'd pay to see you field a 200 whp B16 on twice their budget and twice their timeframe.

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id pay $50 for the dvd. sound investment in my eyes. we need to see actually how many people are willing to pay for it. if it adds up to be enough i say we send you $25 up front for initial costs, then the rest when its done.

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so?

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There's behind the scenes discussion, Walter, but half the co-conspirators are working on engineering or law degrees so the going is slow.

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ok :6

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If anyone wants to make some money writing Modules for online training, please send me an email.

Serious inquiries only please!

Keep in mind, this isnt any typical internet write-up. This will require serious research, thought and technical writing skills. You will be paid based on the material, time spent (log this) and materials needed to complete the module.

There, now its open to the public. I'll post more later in GD when I have time to give it full attention.

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Chris, I spoke with you earlier on the phone. I might try to give this a go for attempting the DVD for all of us novices. Of course this will be dependent on getting my hardware from you. I'll keep you and the forum posted.

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I'm sure with a little JD magic, you can pull off a nice little featurette Steve

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It'll be a featurette, and nothing more. I don't think Steve quite understands how much footage is required to pare things down into a two disc eight hour long basic primer. It's a big freaking job to do right, which is the reason why xeno is pushing classes in module format.

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I was figuring on three discs. The two stated as basic starter stuff. The third would gloss over the highlights of extra features/ and datalogging to give an understanding of how to perfect the tune. I myself have yet to purchase CromePro, so for me this a learning experience as well. I have dabbled with Crome Free and FreeLog since my tune a year ago to date. I felt that the two disc experience would encompass the same material as what goes into a normal street tune from hooking up to the ECU all the way to WOT pulls, pulling plugs and then burning the chip. We spent roughly 2 days doing this with light traffic, stopping for lunch and my usual errands/ phone calls in between. I could edit most of that and get it down to a solid 1.5 discs on the basics.

The Extra features would be a whole other level, of which I have yet to experience. Feel free to tell me to stop if you feel I am over my head, no hard feelings I swear!

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My main liability as a teacher is how I speak in overly complicated technicalities, and then drift off mid sentence because my train of thought has left the building.

I am in no way trying to impede the flow of information, but I dunno how useful I'd be over a mere 1.5-2 day period of time. Since I'd be there to primarily tune your car, secondarily give you pointers on DIY, and tertiarily to drop the geek speak and try to put on a polished PR facade... you'll be lucky to get 45 minutes of good footage on one subject, and have another 30 minutes of snippets that could be interleaved with later footage.

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I am trying to stop laughing, that was the best!

I understand and agree with you regarding your points. Either way, if you feel there would be a benefit or could be a benefit to the general public let me know. I will try to help any way I can. Just figured I would play the other half of the role like last time with the Y8 issue.

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seems to me that if this is going to happen, It will be for Crome users but there is still some of us that use Turboedit please don't forget about us .

i will pay some $$$$$ for someone or something that will teach me how to use TE and dataloging on my car

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TurboEdit is a gateway drug for DIYers...no real commercial interest there unfortunately, and its not so much good business to put as much time and effort that would be required into something that is no longer supported or really being developed.

Its a great platform to learn on and then step up to where the big boys play once you figure out how truly easy this all really is...

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so what you are trying to say is that in order to tune my car correctly i will have to go obd-1 and use crome right?

i mean if there is no support for Turboedit than why use it

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No thats not what he's saying at all. Turbo edit as it is now works fine. It's just not being developed anymore meaning no more new features will be added no bugs will be fixed it's done. But you can tune a car with it.

If you want to really get into tuning and keep up with the latest features and whatnot get crome or possibly neptune.
Who knows one of these programs may come up with an OBD pluggin were you choose obd0 or 1 and works for both.

I wish I knew more about code writin and ecu hardware so I could get fully involved in the develpment of Obd2 tuning. At some point it's going to have to happen.

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I've used TE a maximum of twice.

After knowing how to set up COM ports on Crome, and get everything working correctly in the OBD0 world, TE took me 1.9 nanoseconds to figure out.

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Looks like I'm ready to step up to chrome then

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Xencron...

I have been reading most of this chit chat, your right there is allot more then Hondas out there. I my self being a convert to Nissan.


my rb20det ecu has only one similarity. it to uses 27c256 eprom.... for its maping. SR's got some other ---- i don't care about.
on that note, there is some editing software out there for the very specification, but not alot of US support and if any its incomplete.

don't get me wrong there is places for KA24's , but im not talking about a KA am I. RB motor thats whole new matter.

so the points is

Yes a Generalized Tuning Conference like. this is where you sell your skill as a Tuner and as a Teacher for Money. you could make $35 to $100 a head if you wanted to go that steep. and it would have to be orginaized. on top of that you could Vidoe tape it. now thats a doubleing down.

like doing a open house with an exhibition on top of it... should very easy to set up. do it localy and get someone to vidoe tape it.

you can set it up into 3 segments.
Basics. fundimentals
intermidiate. you decided what that is... maping, VE ----, better explained and details more philosophy... sounds like college course... allready... :1
advanced. (that would depend on your level of competency and willingness to go further)

those are my thoughts..

cheers
falkhen

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Those Turboedit classes are here—thanks to Blundar and to Xenocron for hosting them:

http://www.-------------/Class1.htm
http://www.-------------/Class2.htm

Just read the lot, there's a lot of stuff that's quite helpful ;)

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hell i paid 100 bucks for the tuning class in vegas, (in which i have limited notes from) i would be willing to pay that much for a DVD that has that info or more, that i could review a few times over...i find myself kicking my own ass for not bringing my own video camera with me to the seminar in vegas..something similiar to that, on DVD would sit very well with me...i truly admire all the pioneers in the diy tuning comunity and i will support you guys in any way i can :-*

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The more information. The better. I'll for sure give you 50+ bucks for a dvd. Seeing it being done seems easier to me.

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Sure I'd be into it.

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Bump, for hopes that this isn't a lost cause.


I also would be down for the read, let me know if you have a torrent or something for this text.

Also, instead of having a seminar, interpersonal class or something along the lines of a generalized course why not have site of hosted videos that comprise different aspects of tuning as well as write ups and things of that nature. That way the teachers do not have to put so much required effort into the site, detracting from their busy lives, and well addressed, thorough information can still be attained.

Also having a dedicated "Professor" Forum where formal theoretical discussion could be documented for archival purposes, as well as a dedicated "Student" forum wherein there would be something along the lines of pgmfi's noobie forum, as well as a strict separation of general bullshit and compounded information.

Costs could be addressed in a membership fee, whether it be installments or a one-time payment.

I hope that something along those lines could be figured out, as it would greatly benefit the online grassroots community as well as anyone who is genuinely interested in all aspects of their automobile.

Keep me posted
-Jon

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Im interested as well. I can also help setup any networking.

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that thing aint gonna happen,

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i don't have 50 bucks right now, but will in 2 days... and i will put it in a safe spot so i can save it for this dvd...


so GET THE DVDs now!!!

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You know for a fact? Or just being a pessimistic ass ;)

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Just got the confirmation today...

This isnt going to be a TUNING CLASS...but it will be a seminar on tuning.

This year at the PRI Show we will have two free seminars on Honda/Acura and Ford/GM tuning tools and information.

We are exhibiting at the show so the seminar will be on site as well.

If any of you are on my email list...look for an email with more info in the next few days.

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i want on this mailing list. IM IN TOO ;D

kyote900@comcast.net

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dunno if i can attend... but that list would be very nice to be on

raleylund@chartermi.net

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---- chris. let me get up on that list too


popalockjays115@yahoo.com

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A seminar is cool, but what about the potential for a dedicated educational site? I mean, that would be like the best possible thing. :)

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There are things in the works...but have been for a while. The details just need to get ironed out and finalized.

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Let me know if I can help with anything, hosting or something of the like.

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Email with the PRI Seminar Information going out tomorrow morning!

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