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wow.. i start a thread and leave for a few days, come back and 40 replys!!

id pay 30-40 bucks as well.. but if that guy can hook it up with a 50 person live meeting thing, 10 bucks would be good enuff.. hell that would hook up HMT real nice.. maybe have some money left over for some nice stickers haha..I SURVIVED HMT's CROME TRAINING 2007 or some ---- haha

Travis

ps.. i dont have 2 names.. just this one.. lsturboracer

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This sounds like a good idea. :)

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got my 50 in hand for tuning dvd

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i also can setup a server for net meetings

thanks
richie

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$50 from me on tuning DVD for Crome. And gen4, your right, alot of rude people, but alot of nice ones too to offset

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And you rocking the SOHC, HAHAHAH piece.

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is there something wrong with that?

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+1

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Hey, $50 for the DVD is a fair price!

In addition, how different are CROME and TE? I know they accomplish the same thing for different gen of ECUs...but if they have similar features/controls, I wouldn’t mind seeing a CROME vid even though I will use turboEdit.
Or if its not to much work, maybe do a "dual" video. So even though the car would be tuned in CROME, things would be explained for both programs.

So it will go a lil something like:
"To tune your idle do this...and with turbo edit, the same can be accomplished like so…"

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This will be seriously looked into...I promise.

Gimpy...get wid me :)

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I think I still have the VNC reflector on PGMFI's server. It's on 2x T1s, and after 5pm EST should have close to 3Mbit upstream bandwidth. That's twice as much as we had last time we tried using it. Call me tomorrow afternoon if you can Chris - we'll talk more on this.

And as for the DVD footage from Vegas - I'm sorry. Part of the holdup has been my fault, and part of it is my video-editing friend. We have a big regional car show coming up and he has a lot of films to get together for people by the end of the month. I haven't forgotten about this, and fully intend to make time to edit it ASAP.

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lets make it happen.. i didnt make the thread to have it disappear.. ill pay whatever it takes to get in.. and im sure lots of others will too.. it will help alot of new guys make basemaps, street tune correctly, do part throttle tuning, etc.. all the things they didnt teach you in highschool lol

Travis

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I'm sorry, but the wealth of knowledge that Dave & Chris have to offer really can't be comprehensively covered in few hour simple online class with many members. I can see a seminar where many instructors are moving along quickly with an organized presentation but that is live and interaction is at a peak.

I have done online college courses before and I am familiar with how they work (most people just sleep thru the phone lecture). The art of tuning cannot be simply covered in a brief amount of time... everything is different, from wideband reading to limited OBD0 support. Every DIY variable has its own distinctive form of style and will require an education that is unique in its purpose.

I'm not saying for you guys to start an accredited school, but I am suggesting that you make a professional schedule of tuning concepts that you can do on your own time and offer a live study group for whatever the finite topic is. If the pioneers of the movement could organize a time & date for whichever subject it would yield a very effective course for people that really want to know.

If you think that this could actually work than set your own schedule with whichever professors seem best to fit the bill. With the right courses presented on convenient times I think that you could really get a great audience that is fully interested in your specific topic at hand & would be willing to fully vest themselves beforehand. If convenience of the session can make life simple than subscribers will flock. I am definitely down to learn, I've been on the scene since 2003. Chris and I became mods about the same time on this site. The only outlet I have to learn these things is countless hours of reading posts of a few different websites and pure experimentation. I think that you could really attract people wanting to know and experience tuning.

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---- im in...lemme know.

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man.. thats alot of big tricky words.. we dont think that this can make us all goddly tuners that can tune anything... just a simple basemap making, how to tune for part throttle.. the basics.. i think your thinkin too hard about this whole thing

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you pick up what u can, in the end tou know more and thats what matters

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I, on the other hand, think he's completely right.
YOUR post serves to illustrate that there are several different audiences here. Some people genuinely want to learn how to tune. Most people just want to learn the minimum that they need to in order for their cars to not blow up. Most of HMT probably falls in the latter category. I'm going to cater more toward the former.

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I shoot straight from the hip.

I love you, sweetie, more than you realise. :-*


I'm more than happy to shoot and rip some segments for someone else to edit, and would be more than happy to pass on any payment. Dave and Chris have both taken care of me in the past, it would be a pleasure to help either of them.

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Id say make a sweet deal on crome pro + dvd .. id buy that!

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I'm somewhat silent in my posts nowadays. I'm a member of pgmfi and I'm all about giving a hand in development of something new and different. I am always on a quest to improve current projects and to become the innovator of something new.

The point that I was stressing was quite valid in my eyes, and I'm happy that you took it seriously. I can appreciate the common user who wants to know just enough to get by. The majority of people who quickly whipped up their own setup only need enough expertise knowledge to simply get by. I may be a rare example to actually yearn for it all.. but I would like to think that there are others out there like me.

I've been in the game for a while and I would like to assume that I have the respect of many of the pioneers of the movement. You have accomplished something that will live on for years to come and you along with the rest of the founders of honda technology have made something complicated into a DIY's dream. One of the biggest reasons I keep owning honda cars is because of the friendly DIY scene that has been implemented all thanks to the full reverse engineering of the ECUs. I understand how some individuals have decided to make a few bucks and churn out products like Hondata & Neptune. Business is business. Some people come out with a great product that serves for the mass population of sheep. My true respect goes to the individuals that do it for the love of the game. I like how the Grippo and Bowling project is taking years because they want it to be perfect.



You just let me know how I can help

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DVD = 50USD$

the best choice.. ;)

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wow..... :6

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i can do dvd authoring/video editing, i use premiere pro 2 and i don't suck.

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yea i would be down for dvd or online class on turbo editi ve been ------- around with TE for a bit now think i am getting the idea but would be nice to be able to veriefy what i am doing.

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any news on this subject?

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Blundar is college student with personal and family lives to maintain. xeno is a new home owner with a growing business he is trying to offer more products for, and I think he's getting married soon-ish, to a girl no less!!

This is a great idea, and I think everyone cares deeply about it, but it's #10 or #12 on the list of priorities. Pinging this thread every so often keeps the idea up, but being patient is what I recommend.

:)

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Um, buy Jeff Hartman's tuning book(not Ben Strader's book). As you spend the next couple of weeks reading and digesting what is found in there it will give these guys time to get their ---- together. It will also give you a more informed stance to ask questions if this online tooning class ever did occur.

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Any reason why you prefer one over the other? I've read neither, FWIW.

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Ben's is for dummies. Its like, hey injectors open and close and deliver fuel. Jeff's book actually talks about tuning, setting up maps, whats involved, how sensors work, and various other useful info. For the extra $5 you get about 1000x more useful information with Jeff Hartman's book.

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LOL, who do you think takes his classes? Ben's great to talk to on a one-on-one level, though, super bright guy.

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Ben's book and class are WAY different...the book is retarded honestly, the class is more than worthwhile.

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101 was milquetoast, I haven't been any further.

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You and I took it at different stages in our tooning careers O0

I am probably going to take advanced this year just to say I did...

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It's the format it's presented in - you've been told for years on HT that turbo cars should be run at 12:1 or richer and that most B-series like .5 deg/psi ignition retard, that and a basic automotive theory book off the Barnes and Noble shelves (I have a couple dozen, I know you have at least a few) explains everything you need to know.

I met some kid who went to Cali for some EFI university week long course, he talked about Dyno Dynamics dynos like he was the freaking brochure, tried to tell me how a Mustang wasn't an eddy current dyno where you can fix wheelspeed, and told me how his ITB'd Type-R made 200 whp (believable) but what was really sweet about it was it had a solid 150 wtq up to 6000 rpms and then jumped to 160 wtq all the way to redline. :1

Ben's great, but his classes are hand holding confidence builders for rich kids or people who want to buy a five minute ride on the Hypewagon.

It seems to be the thing to have to impress the people who don't know what they should when it comes time to choose a tuenarboi. Do you ever have anyone ask you about EFI-U certifications?

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That made me laugh. Even more so, because its true for the most part.
The one thing that I liked about Ben, was he was very biased on emphasizing the method over the raw #'s that you type into your pretty little editor. He wants you to understand the basic operation of pumping air, and the effect of burn rates at various cylinder charges and VE. He wants you to learn by trial and error, and have a way to measure your changes.
It was fun watching him talk about how guys on internet car forums will balk about the power difference between 11.5 and 12.0 A/F's, or the effects of 1* of timing, all while he loaded a car up at WOT, and then varied both timing and A/F and there was ZERO measurable TQ differences. The sweet spot is a much bigger window than its made out to be. Use as little timing as required, and you get the same work done on the crank w/ much lower peak cylinder pressures. Have an adequate cooling system and your sleeves and HG will have a hard on for you. Calibrating a car is so ------- overhyped. Troubleshooting and diagnosing is where your experience shines.

That would be the cliff notes of EFI 101. If you take it as a total beginner, you will get ALOT out of the class.
If you want to read a book, the two that you will get the most out of (IMHO) is "How to tune & modify Engine Management Systems" by Jeff Hartman, and "Internal Combustion Engine Fundamentals" by John Heywood. The former is pretty basic, and would be a good beginner book. The latter is in depth and may require an effort to read unless your in the mood.
I just got Taylors text book, but haven't gotten to far in it yet.

If there is one thing that Ive learned over the past few years, its dont believe anything you read on an internet car forum regarding EFI calibration, unless you are familiar w/ who is posting it. IE, they have demonstrated that they can intelligently think for themselves and are not just an overhyped HT sponsor or tuner of the month. Even then, take it w/ a grain of salt untill you see the same result w/ your own eyes.

Nukka what?

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---- Taylor, half his bibliography either doesn't mean what he says it does, or it's completely wrong. Heywood isn't much better.

Ricardo, Obert, Glassman (Combustion), and your own sweet noggin, Mister Lee. You should have a copy of Ricardo's The High Speed Internal Combustion Engine I had hosted up.

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Lol...I'll take that as a compliment JD :D

The more I read through this thread, the more I realize that I don't want to be the "common user" that Quadnie mentions, but someone who knows the intricacies of tuning. The area that I live in has a huge void for tuners and tuning in general, and from what I've seen so far the mass population of Honda owners and builders in this area are still having to rely on the archaicness of products like the fmu and afc. I go to about a dozen car shows a year, mostly with the intent of seeking out individuals who might benefit from the knowledge of better tuning options. Sadly, I do get quite a few people who laugh or scoff at some of the options I mention, but a few do listen to what I have to say...mostly because they refuse to listen to what's been spoon-fed to them by their local "tuenarboi's". A general knowledge of the programs and tuning in general may let me skate by with some of the phone calls I receive for tuning help, but I want to be able to do much more than just that.

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Good, that's the way it was meant.

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NOT ONCE!

All I see at this point is Honda's though, and without going out and buying another make for myself will I not get much broadening hands on experience unfortunately. Advanced would provide some of that. There is certainly enough business with Hondas only at this point, but it does get a tad boring tuning the same setup over and over and always fixing someone elses same problems.

Dave Lee...I think that is the longest post I have ever seen you make!

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JD, PM me. I'm up for the read.

I've heard of the book but I was always gunshy on purchasing it in fear of wasting money for things that I already know or knowledge that can be easily sought out on the net. Combine that with the fact that I hate to read books and pretty much reading in general, except if it's on an LCD screen. It looks to be a worthwhile expenditure of a jackson.

I don't know about you but I have scooby drivers begging for reflashes all around me (the dealership sells a lot of WRXs to rich college kids). The DSM market is always thriving and in need of parts (mostly because the cars keep breaking). I cannot find enough rich people to charge for advanced services, but to my knowledge I'm the only toonerboi in the area.

Speaking of problems, this local integra is getting no spark and the guy wants me to come by and look at it on sunday. Come to find out he has a xenocron chipped ECU. I'm gonna get to admire some cold solder joints :P