e manage from greedy?
07-08-2004, 04:42 PM
#42
1.5 BAR
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 886
Re:e manage from greedy?
oh sweet Christ....this is still going. by now the original poster probably said ---- it and sold his car. LOL
just come to the realization that both systems are very good...each has it pros and cons. leave it up to the driver, I think everyone in this thread ha s posted enough pertinent info for HIM to decide. if he can't decide from this than he shouldn't use either system! SHEESH!!
just come to the realization that both systems are very good...each has it pros and cons. leave it up to the driver, I think everyone in this thread ha s posted enough pertinent info for HIM to decide. if he can't decide from this than he shouldn't use either system! SHEESH!!
07-09-2004, 06:30 AM
#43
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Re:e manage from greedy?
I stand behind uberdta, because i have used it for awhile now and i love it... but it is buggy as ----, and tuning is a ------ bitch.. because there is not RealTime updateing like the apexi unit, When iw as at the dyno with 98ctr, i was like ------- ---- *****!!! its so easy to tune, we dude almost 15 pulls in under an hour and a half. (more less).. with uberdata, first you have to have a laptop that suports using burner (mine does not, its not old either) then you have to bring the burner down with you and plug it in down there (unless your smart (witch you are not chingro)you can use a 9v battery) Its a hassle. All of my friends around here have either uberdata or turbo edit (chevy,zplightning,JEDubz, My DAD, BLUEHATCH) and i they can all vouche and say that its a bitch to try and tune ( read/write/burn/plugin/)
Once i get all of the realtime update figured out (witch is not fully developed) then i will be 100% saticfied.
so here is what i ended up paying for uberdata
150 for the burner
200 for the gsr ecu ( chipped 8 months ago)
1800 for the laptop (yes an extra, but if you want to dyno tune you have to have one or borrow one )
+ hours of wasted time on the dyno burning chips
so there alone is 350.. and thats not including the little things.
I have gone through over 25 chips easy ( 29c's reusable)
chingro, you can talk when you make over 300 hp on TEN LBS of boost... until then, you shut up. 5 points of tuning is nothing like 10.. (in boost) I can't wait to hear how tuning on the dyno went for you, Since you know so damn much with tuning uberdata and chipping.
Chingro's just been torn a new -------, you want one to?
-Josh
*EDIT*
I also have dataloging... and the shitty part is, you still can't Realtime update.. so your sitting their realizing how tight it is that you can datalog... and then your like.. LET ME RUN IN THE ------- HOUSE AND BURN ME A CHIP UP!!.. Thats so ------- lame, you have no idea.
Once i get all of the realtime update figured out (witch is not fully developed) then i will be 100% saticfied.
so here is what i ended up paying for uberdata
150 for the burner
200 for the gsr ecu ( chipped 8 months ago)
1800 for the laptop (yes an extra, but if you want to dyno tune you have to have one or borrow one )
+ hours of wasted time on the dyno burning chips
so there alone is 350.. and thats not including the little things.
I have gone through over 25 chips easy ( 29c's reusable)
chingro, you can talk when you make over 300 hp on TEN LBS of boost... until then, you shut up. 5 points of tuning is nothing like 10.. (in boost) I can't wait to hear how tuning on the dyno went for you, Since you know so damn much with tuning uberdata and chipping.
Chingro's just been torn a new -------, you want one to?
-Josh
*EDIT*
I also have dataloging... and the shitty part is, you still can't Realtime update.. so your sitting their realizing how tight it is that you can datalog... and then your like.. LET ME RUN IN THE ------- HOUSE AND BURN ME A CHIP UP!!.. Thats so ------- lame, you have no idea.
07-09-2004, 08:36 AM
#44
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Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 193
Re:e manage from greedy?
i thought u had little common sense Turbo90Accord4DR, but it seems you dont, you are just as stupid for sitting her comparing a uberdata to Apex-i unit, WHEN i stated before the APEX is better, but it is just too costly. And i only memtion uberdata because it is cheap.
and i am not tunning my car, PACIFIC PERFORMANCE is florida is tunning it, they worked with it already, and the guy told me exactly what and how many chips to burn.
he also stated that, he knows the system is cheap, and he can get good results from it, but just because that are chips with set data on them (cant be adjusted) then i should not expect all the HP possible with my setup.
and Turbo90Accord4DR whatever you end up paying for uberdata does not have to reflect on what others pay.
I had a labtop before, so should i include that in the cost, Emanage users, and most GOOD fuel management, need a PC/labtop.
anyways. AGAIN i am not here to compare the APEX-i to the Uberdata, I ALREADY SAID THE APEX if a better unit.
I am only here to show how much better uberdata it in compare to the E-manage (check the title of this thread).
have a nice day guys.
and i am not tunning my car, PACIFIC PERFORMANCE is florida is tunning it, they worked with it already, and the guy told me exactly what and how many chips to burn.
he also stated that, he knows the system is cheap, and he can get good results from it, but just because that are chips with set data on them (cant be adjusted) then i should not expect all the HP possible with my setup.
and Turbo90Accord4DR whatever you end up paying for uberdata does not have to reflect on what others pay.
I had a labtop before, so should i include that in the cost, Emanage users, and most GOOD fuel management, need a PC/labtop.
anyways. AGAIN i am not here to compare the APEX-i to the Uberdata, I ALREADY SAID THE APEX if a better unit.
I am only here to show how much better uberdata it in compare to the E-manage (check the title of this thread).
have a nice day guys.
, so should i sell my ---- and get the apex, i payed about the same 
07-09-2004, 05:15 PM
#46
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Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 288
Re:e manage from greedy?
you so crazy.
I'm tuning cars for a local performance shop up here now.
In 3 hours with a wideband and Uberdata, I was able to get good AFRs, solid timing maps, no detonation, smooth cruising, proper AFRs in cruise, good tip-in behavior, good off-pedal behavior, vtec crossover so smooth you can hardly tell it is there. No dyno. No datalogging. Just wideband and using my head. 9:1 GSR motor, Drag3 kit, RC440s, SX1:1 reg - 60psi @idle, chipped P28. IABs disabled.
I don't know if you remember the yellow ITR that was in the Sport Compact Car Ultimate street car challenge in '03. It belonged to a local guy here. SCC ragged on it horribly. It is currently in the shop chillin next to the GSR I tuned. I bring it up because it is relatively similar car - ITR motor, 9:1 compression. Uses combination of chipped OBD1 P28, VAFC and Apexi PowerFC. It had one of the best PowerFC tuners in the country tune it while it was in Cali for the shootout. It has had more dyno time that I have for every car I've touched.
And you know what? Everyone that has drove both cars is impressed with how the GSR drives like a stock car. If it wasn't for the retarded *** turbo timer and the mandatory BOV, you wouldn't be able to tell you have a turbo. Smooth, predictable power. No jerkiness. No hesitation. The contrast between it and Derick's ITR is insane. Sure, Dericks car makes 500something whp and is really ------- fast, but it is a bitch to drive.
Granted, I didn't tune the PowerFC. I don't know the person who did - I just know they work for Apexi tuning exclusively the PowerFC. In as much as I can compare apples to apples, Uberdata provides superior drivability than the Apexi stuff.
And to address the resolution - this is somewhat of a moot point for several reasons.
1. The stock ECU does linear interpolation between points. You only need to pick RPM or load points where the VE curve is drastically changing, or you want to make sharp changes to timing.
2. Uberdata supports editing the "scale" used for RPM and MAP. You can tailor the rows and columns you have to precisely match the contours of the VE curve in question.
3. #1 and #2 mean that the effective resolution of uberdata far exceeds a 6x16 grid. ( I don't see how you came up with 6x16 either - there are more than 6 rows in the vtec cam table)
Granted, I have a strong bias here. I still think that you're a fool to spend any money at all on a piggyback when a chipped ECU($125 - from me when I have them), ROM burner ($85 - moates.net) and Uberdata or Crome (free) can do a lot more. There is more to life than horsepower figures.
I'm tuning cars for a local performance shop up here now.
In 3 hours with a wideband and Uberdata, I was able to get good AFRs, solid timing maps, no detonation, smooth cruising, proper AFRs in cruise, good tip-in behavior, good off-pedal behavior, vtec crossover so smooth you can hardly tell it is there. No dyno. No datalogging. Just wideband and using my head. 9:1 GSR motor, Drag3 kit, RC440s, SX1:1 reg - 60psi @idle, chipped P28. IABs disabled.
I don't know if you remember the yellow ITR that was in the Sport Compact Car Ultimate street car challenge in '03. It belonged to a local guy here. SCC ragged on it horribly. It is currently in the shop chillin next to the GSR I tuned. I bring it up because it is relatively similar car - ITR motor, 9:1 compression. Uses combination of chipped OBD1 P28, VAFC and Apexi PowerFC. It had one of the best PowerFC tuners in the country tune it while it was in Cali for the shootout. It has had more dyno time that I have for every car I've touched.
And you know what? Everyone that has drove both cars is impressed with how the GSR drives like a stock car. If it wasn't for the retarded *** turbo timer and the mandatory BOV, you wouldn't be able to tell you have a turbo. Smooth, predictable power. No jerkiness. No hesitation. The contrast between it and Derick's ITR is insane. Sure, Dericks car makes 500something whp and is really ------- fast, but it is a bitch to drive.
Granted, I didn't tune the PowerFC. I don't know the person who did - I just know they work for Apexi tuning exclusively the PowerFC. In as much as I can compare apples to apples, Uberdata provides superior drivability than the Apexi stuff.
And to address the resolution - this is somewhat of a moot point for several reasons.
1. The stock ECU does linear interpolation between points. You only need to pick RPM or load points where the VE curve is drastically changing, or you want to make sharp changes to timing.
2. Uberdata supports editing the "scale" used for RPM and MAP. You can tailor the rows and columns you have to precisely match the contours of the VE curve in question.
3. #1 and #2 mean that the effective resolution of uberdata far exceeds a 6x16 grid. ( I don't see how you came up with 6x16 either - there are more than 6 rows in the vtec cam table)
Granted, I have a strong bias here. I still think that you're a fool to spend any money at all on a piggyback when a chipped ECU($125 - from me when I have them), ROM burner ($85 - moates.net) and Uberdata or Crome (free) can do a lot more. There is more to life than horsepower figures.
07-09-2004, 08:23 PM
#48
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Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 193
Re:e manage from greedy?
Granted, I have a strong bias here. I still think that you're a fool to spend any money at all on a piggyback when a chipped ECU($125 - from me when I have them), ROM burner ($85 - moates.net) and Uberdata or Crome (free) can do a lot more. There is more to life than horsepower figures.
amen.
07-09-2004, 08:57 PM
#49
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Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 938
Re:e manage from greedy?
Originally Posted by blundar
Granted, I didn't tune the PowerFC. I don't know the person who did - I just know they work for Apexi tuning exclusively the PowerFC. In as much as I can compare apples to apples, Uberdata provides superior drivability than the Apexi stuff.
And to address the resolution - this is somewhat of a moot point for several reasons.
1. The stock ECU does linear interpolation between #1 and #2 mean that the effective resolution of uberdata far exceeds a 6x16 grid. ( I don't see how you came up with 6x16 either - there are more than 6 rows in the vtec cam table)
#2 I don't work for Apex-i
#3 You must be an ------- IDIOT to say "Uberdata provides superior drivability than the Apexi stuff."
#4 If you read my post you would have seen that I said that Uberdata has 6x16 map under BOOST
#5 Im done arguing with you guys about something you don't know anything about. 98ctr
