e manage from greedy?
 

just wondering, is the e manage from greedy hard to hook up?and is it worth buying?or should i use other fuel management.i have a basic stock civic wanted get about 7psi.(95 civic ex d16z6 with 110,000 runs great)

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Don't waste your money on that. Chip your ECU then get a burner and use Uberdata. Best way to go.

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ok, thanks man.im kind new to turboing and my kit is almost down but im not sure what kind of fuel and spark management to use.i want to run about 7psi

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I hear yeah on the fuel management stuff. My first setup was a comparison from Fred Flintstone to George Jetson; FMU and check valves! I wanna evolve from that stone age setup but when it comes to figuring out fuel maps and ignition ---- I'm like Forest Gump. :P

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Have you ever used e-manage? Its a good and easy system to work with. Its not hard to hook up and it shows good results. It is a pigy back system so don't expect the world out of it. I tuned both Uberdata and E-manage and I belive that e-manage is easyer and better system for the money you pay.

All of you that are using uberdata and sware by it, go ahead and say what you want, I am only giving my oppinion. 98ctr

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For what you pay? Are you crazy? Uberdata is free. cheap burner and a chipped ecu and you are done. E-manage is big bucks not to mention the tuning crap to go along with it. $320 plus the programmer is not cheap. Does it give full throttle launch? full throttle shift? idle adjust? rev limit? VTEC crossover adjustment? speed limiter remove? Datalogging? It may be easy to use but the cons out weigh the pros. You can do all these things with a stock Honda ECU some simple soldering and a chip burner. I'm not saying throw out an E-manage if you have one but if you are starting from nothing my money is on Uberdata/Techedit

P.S. see you over at CHB, lol

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I have to agree with the above...I have installed and tuned a few Emanage units, I've worked especially close with the one on my friend's '99 turbo maxima...it is no doubt a good unit and has many decent options, it idled the 370cc injectors like stock with no tuning. user interface is really easy(very AFC'ish) I even considered it on my Intgera, but when you think about there are so many decent FREE DIY rom editors out for Hondas, why even waste your money on something else that doesn't have half the mentiioned features as Uber or TE. plus IMHO, Emanage on these cars is no more than a MSD BTM and VAFC hack combo with a little more resolution and DL. Like was said if you already have Emagae I say stick with it, but if not the world of Honda ROM editing offers sooooooooooooo many more options at little to half the cost. just my $.02, since I'm sorta on both sides :)

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I hate to sound like an ass but im still unsure what to do for fuel management(spark). i was just going to try fmu and check valves until i get smart about turboing.but if i was to run 8lbs what type of system should i use?

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my vote is for uberdata...I stopped following it after I switched back to OBD0, but its come a long way and there are guys making nice power with it...program is 100% free, most you'll spend is $100+/- for a burner and some chips...they have a forum you should go check it out

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Whatever you guys say Uberdata it is not free. Somehow you end up paing for it. Burner can cost you $100-$200 chips are about $7ea for the 29c256 reprogramable ones, socket for the ecu its $7 ea, socket soldering and jumper/ resisorts runs about $60. Uberdata only gives you 4x10 rows for tuning under boost where is the most important part of tunning. Im not saying that e-manage is better than Uberdata or vice versa, but the guy wanted to know what to do, and I was only giving him a good source to use because its most likely that he does not know how to do the Uberdata by himself. E-manage wold get him going safelly untill he can invest in a good standalone if he is serious about tunning under boost. 98ctr

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moates burner is only $75, chips are like $5/each and the resistors and junk will run you no more than $20....$100+/-. I know that for sure cause thats my old setup partly. and there are guys on here who solder for $20-30 and will have your ---- back in 2 days.

the only point I agree with you on is Emanage being more widely acccepted...it all depends on the person and if you're not familiar with tuning on your own and don't chose to learn than its alot easrier to walk in to a shop and ask them to tune Emanage over Uberdata...why, I dunno? my guess is ignorance of some tuners...both use the same basic tuning principles, except one doesn't say "Greddy" on it, so its not good enough. thats the only thing that bothers me about "brand v. DIY"...DIY is overlooked simply because its not used yet by the big names. yet, Emanage is not without its problems either, so its no angel.

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im doin the afc/btm combo, and it is essentially the same as emanage but has a few less features like mentioned...its totally up to you what you wanna use

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Im not going to argue with any of you on which one is better, im simply stating pro and cons for the guy to make his own mind. I use the apex power fc standalone and its the best I used so far. 98ctr

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Emainge CANT MANGE the rev limiter.....i set mines at 9000, and i just shift at 8000 (just so i dont have a fuel cut off


here are two pics of my tuning with uberdata, like two days ago
http://www.newbieforces.com/files/tuning2.jpg

http://www.newbieforces.com/files/tuning4.jpg

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ive got the whole greddy setup, profec and all. Who thinks i shouild sell it and go with something else? im pretty new to tuning myself.

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i have seen alot of people use E-MANAGE, it is a good setup BUT it is a piggyback, you cant change that no matter how u look at it,

Uberdata and Turboedit are STANDALONE fuel management units.


So i see it as a waste of time to sit here and compare a costly piggyback to a FREE standalone unit.

the E-manage unit is about $300 max for the base unit, but u need to purchase more stuff to get the full use of it, and the program is not free. The harness is about $40 buck each and you need two (injectors and ignition).
u lookst about $450-$500 to get the full use of the Emanage PIGGYBACK UNIT, and EVEN then it does not have all the features as the UBERDATA or TURBOEDIT.

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personally i spent $40 for a stock DX P06 obd-1 ECU, $20 for sockets and harware to chip it, $40 for tools to chip it.
FREE for uberdata. you can get jumper harness obd2-obd1 for about $90 (i built mine's).

$190 over all i would of spend if i bought the jumper harness for a STANDALONE UNIT

(in reality, i paid $100)

----I am loving it, EVERY second of it.............

uberdata all the way

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and all the money i spent on tool for chipping my ecu, i can continue to chip more and make back the money i spent on my whole management. for the E-mange you buy it and that is it.


cheapest i found the emanage (just two mins of surffing)
http://www.hopupracing.com/grepfuco.html

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DUDE CAN'T YOU GET WHAT IM SAYING. IM NOT ARGUING WITH YOU ON WHICH ONE IS BETTER. THEY BOTH HAVE PROS AND CONS.

it might be cost efective for you, cuz you can do all that by your self, but not everyone has the ability or time to make that work for them. And no matter what you say UBERDATA IT IS NOT FREE.

Why don't you post a pic of the "Fuel High" to show him how many tunning points you have under boost. 98ctr

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take you head out of your ass and see the world from a different point.

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Uberdata is free...a chi and a socket is not Uberdata...chipping the ecu is not free...that will cost a bit of money and time, but the software uberdata is free.
So we should actually say...Uberdata is free, but chipping the ecu is not free. :)
Anyone who wants an easy way out and just wants something that works and doesn't want to take tuning to seriously should get a piggyback.If you want to do it right go the ecu chipping way or a standalone. If I had the money I would just buy a standalone.But Uberdata is the next best thing....people are making insane power wiht Uber 400+ hp etc..

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thank you.........

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Wow this shouldn't be heated. Everyone is just giving you options on what you can use. Whatever you do just make sure you use something to retard timing under boost. Emanage, Uberdata, TechEdit, AFC hack/BTM, but I would stay away from FMU,pump combo. I see it as a waste of money. You will eventually grow into the turbo thing more and more and realized you wasted money. I just set up my first turbo and after doing tons of research I chose Uberdata, you may choose something else but just look at it in the long run. Good luck and keep us posted.

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i am not here to argue of start a heated topic, here it the pic your requested.

http://www.newbieforces.com/files/chingrofuel.jpg

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just my point, uberdata has 6x16 map for tunning under boost. e-manage has 10x20 map for tunning under boost. Like I said pro and cons for both of them. 98ctr

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if you are really serious about tunning then you end up with something like this.
http://www.fc-datalogit.co.nz/fc-edit-injmap.jpg
http://www.fc-datalogit.co.nz/fc-edit-iglmap.jpg
http://www.fc-datalogit.co.nz/fc-edit-igtmap.jpg
http://www.fc-datalogit.co.nz/fc-edit-settings1.jpg
http://www.fc-datalogit.co.nz/fc-edit-settings2.jpg
http://www.fc-datalogit.co.nz/fc-edit-settings3.jpg
http://www.fc-datalogit.co.nz/fc-edit-settings4.jpg
http://www.fc-datalogit.co.nz/fc-edit-settings5.jpg
http://www.fc-datalogit.co.nz/fc-edit-monitor.jpg

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what management is that program for?

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apex-i power fc. its what im running. making 300whp and 200wtq on 8psi. 98ctr

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and how much did it cost? ::)

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$850 for the ecu and hand held commander.

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thanks for getting my point accross

uberdata cost me $100

I burnt three chips,
Chip #1 with .9 degree boost retard
Chip #2 with 2.0 degree boost retard
Chip #3 with 3.0 degree boost retard

and i will let you know how much power i am making with a 2nd GEN B16A.

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your uberdata does not touch a good standalone. you don't have near half the tuning points, and you don't have near half the settings an stand alone has.

I sold all my stuff and got a standalone.

obd1 gsr ecu chiped: $150
obd2-obd1 conversion harness $150
apex-i v-afc $300
chip burner $150

total: $750

so for another $100 I got a standalone with handheld commander that display all your sensors, air temp, water temp, boost, inj. duty, ign. timing, rpm, speed, knock, baterry voltage, o2 sensor, boost controll, vtec controll, rev limiter, launch contorll, datalogging etc.

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obd1 gsr ecu chiped: $150--------i can beleive
conversion harness $150----------possible, but i still dont beleive
apex-i v-afc $300----------------Point to who bought that, i got a some old rims and worn out tires for $400
chip burner $150------------------depends on what type, I personally spent $70

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im done, you say what you want, but try to help the guy. help him get the program, chip, socket, burner and all the tuning he needs for $100 since you are so sure he can get that for $100. 98ctr

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the apex-i FC is a great unit, I WOULD CHOOSE ONE OVER THE UBERDATA ANYDAY!!!, but i honestly dont have $850 to spend.

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JUST HELP THE GUY GET HIS CAR ENGINE MANAGEMENT FOR $100 SINCE YOU SAID YOU CAN DO ALL THAT. THEN HE CAN MAKE HIS OWN MIND ON WHAT HE WANTS TO USE.

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U would if you get your ass up and do something else then argue. You know it all.

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ok, listen to yourself, YOU ONLY THINK THAT YOU ARE HELPING HIM.

he came here asking about the GREDDY E-MANAGE, a PIGGYBACK UNIT that cost $400 est.(all harware etc.).
I am telling HIM to get uberdata, it is a free/cheap standalone system with more features, and it is great.

YOU came on, telling him about a standalone systen that cost $850, if the guy had $850 to spend, why the hell is he looking at the GREDDY E-MANAGE???

I am only left to assume from what his initial topic was about, that his pocket is only deep enough for the E-manage, and NOT a true standalone unit.




please, dont take this the wrong way, i am only helping him, IF he has $850, then by all means, GET THE APEX-i unit.

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HMT has memeber that are willing to help, i will if he wants me to, "streetking" is chipping ECU's for free, and uberdata is a free download. So if he really wants to get it done, it can be done.

I did it for under $100........depending on what he wants to do himself, he can get it done for the same, other than that, it will NOT cost him $400 or $850, i dont see it excceeding $150-$175.

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thets why I told him about the emanage, as being easy to use, tune and install. It does not have a bunch of other stuff, but it works and its dependablle. Alot easyer then having to take your ecu appart, install zif socket, buy chips, buy burner, download program, figure out how to burn a chip and make a BASE map, them you still have to dyno tune or buy an wideband and tune it your self. But you still have to take out the chip try a new map, which is a lot of trial and error. If you like to do all that and you are handy with ellectornics and soldering, then more power to you, but since he was looking for the e-manage and not at Uberdata then I can only assume that he is looking for the easyest way to get his car working and safely on the road. 98ctr

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well if he wants EASI, then Emanage for him
on the other hand
IF he wants STANDALONE, cheaper, not as practical...UBERDATA