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not even near a standalone. if it was true, then everybody with a chiped ecu would say they have standalone.

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oh sweet Christ....this is still going. by now the original poster probably said ---- it and sold his car. LOL

just come to the realization that both systems are very good...each has it pros and cons. leave it up to the driver, I think everyone in this thread ha s posted enough pertinent info for HIM to decide. if he can't decide from this than he shouldn't use either system! SHEESH!!

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I stand behind uberdta, because i have used it for awhile now and i love it... but it is buggy as ----, and tuning is a ------ bitch.. because there is not RealTime updateing like the apexi unit, When iw as at the dyno with 98ctr, i was like ------- ---- balls!!! its so easy to tune, we dude almost 15 pulls in under an hour and a half. (more less).. with uberdata, first you have to have a laptop that suports using burner (mine does not, its not old either) then you have to bring the burner down with you and plug it in down there (unless your smart (witch you are not chingro)you can use a 9v battery) Its a hassle. All of my friends around here have either uberdata or turbo edit (chevy,zplightning,JEDubz, My DAD, BLUEHATCH) and i they can all vouche and say that its a bitch to try and tune ( read/write/burn/plugin/)

Once i get all of the realtime update figured out (witch is not fully developed) then i will be 100% saticfied.

so here is what i ended up paying for uberdata

150 for the burner
200 for the gsr ecu ( chipped 8 months ago)
1800 for the laptop (yes an extra, but if you want to dyno tune you have to have one or borrow one )
+ hours of wasted time on the dyno burning chips
so there alone is 350.. and thats not including the little things.

I have gone through over 25 chips easy ( 29c's reusable)

chingro, you can talk when you make over 300 hp on TEN LBS of boost... until then, you shut up. 5 points of tuning is nothing like 10.. (in boost) I can't wait to hear how tuning on the dyno went for you, Since you know so damn much with tuning uberdata and chipping.



Chingro's just been torn a new -------, you want one to?
-Josh

*EDIT*

I also have dataloging... and the shitty part is, you still can't Realtime update.. so your sitting their realizing how tight it is that you can datalog... and then your like.. LET ME RUN IN THE ------- HOUSE AND BURN ME A CHIP UP!!.. Thats so ------- lame, you have no idea.

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i thought u had little common sense Turbo90Accord4DR, but it seems you dont, you are just as stupid for sitting her comparing a uberdata to Apex-i unit, WHEN i stated before the APEX is better, but it is just too costly. And i only memtion uberdata because it is cheap.

and i am not tunning my car, PACIFIC PERFORMANCE is florida is tunning it, they worked with it already, and the guy told me exactly what and how many chips to burn.

he also stated that, he knows the system is cheap, and he can get good results from it, but just because that are chips with set data on them (cant be adjusted) then i should not expect all the HP possible with my setup.



and Turbo90Accord4DR whatever you end up paying for uberdata does not have to reflect on what others pay.
I had a labtop before, so should i include that in the cost, Emanage users, and most GOOD fuel management, need a PC/labtop.

anyways. AGAIN i am not here to compare the APEX-i to the Uberdata, I ALREADY SAID THE APEX if a better unit.

I am only here to show how much better uberdata it in compare to the E-manage (check the title of this thread).

have a nice day guys.

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DAAAAAAAM!!!!!! :D, so should i sell my ---- and get the apex, i payed about the same ???

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you so crazy.
I'm tuning cars for a local performance shop up here now.

In 3 hours with a wideband and Uberdata, I was able to get good AFRs, solid timing maps, no detonation, smooth cruising, proper AFRs in cruise, good tip-in behavior, good off-pedal behavior, vtec crossover so smooth you can hardly tell it is there. No dyno. No datalogging. Just wideband and using my head. 9:1 GSR motor, Drag3 kit, RC440s, SX1:1 reg - 60psi @idle, chipped P28. IABs disabled.

I don't know if you remember the yellow ITR that was in the Sport Compact Car Ultimate street car challenge in '03. It belonged to a local guy here. SCC ragged on it horribly. It is currently in the shop chillin next to the GSR I tuned. I bring it up because it is relatively similar car - ITR motor, 9:1 compression. Uses combination of chipped OBD1 P28, VAFC and Apexi PowerFC. It had one of the best PowerFC tuners in the country tune it while it was in Cali for the shootout. It has had more dyno time that I have for every car I've touched.

And you know what? Everyone that has drove both cars is impressed with how the GSR drives like a stock car. If it wasn't for the retarded ass turbo timer and the mandatory BOV, you wouldn't be able to tell you have a turbo. Smooth, predictable power. No jerkiness. No hesitation. The contrast between it and Derick's ITR is insane. Sure, Dericks car makes 500something whp and is really ------- fast, but it is a bitch to drive.

Granted, I didn't tune the PowerFC. I don't know the person who did - I just know they work for Apexi tuning exclusively the PowerFC. In as much as I can compare apples to apples, Uberdata provides superior drivability than the Apexi stuff.

And to address the resolution - this is somewhat of a moot point for several reasons.
1. The stock ECU does linear interpolation between points. You only need to pick RPM or load points where the VE curve is drastically changing, or you want to make sharp changes to timing.
2. Uberdata supports editing the "scale" used for RPM and MAP. You can tailor the rows and columns you have to precisely match the contours of the VE curve in question.
3. #1 and #2 mean that the effective resolution of uberdata far exceeds a 6x16 grid. ( I don't see how you came up with 6x16 either - there are more than 6 rows in the vtec cam table)

Granted, I have a strong bias here. I still think that you're a fool to spend any money at all on a piggyback when a chipped ECU($125 - from me when I have them), ROM burner ($85 - moates.net) and Uberdata or Crome (free) can do a lot more. There is more to life than horsepower figures.

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AMEN! My Moates burner OWNS!

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amen.

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#1 I tuned my Apex-i power fc in less then two hours.

#2 I don't work for Apex-i

#3 You must be an ------- IDIOT to say "Uberdata provides superior drivability than the Apexi stuff."

#4 If you read my post you would have seen that I said that Uberdata has 6x16 map under BOOST

#5 Im done arguing with you guys about something you don't know anything about. 98ctr

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calm down......

can we please get back the point, E-manage.

if not, then this topic is done

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chingro, you can now not input anyinformation, 1 because you are not tuning your own ---- and 2 because you put 2 degree's retard per pound of boost!! lol.. thats way to much.

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ok here is the deal, if you are not going to read the posts properly then dont quote/reply/, just shut the ---- up it is evident that you dont have common sense, and you cant read. I

am driving with a uberdata basemap BIN, with 0.9 boost retard.

i said before, PACIFIC PERFORMANCE told me to burn two more chips, one with 2.0 and another with 3.0.

He said, the car might be better on the bottom end, if i use the 2.0 boost retard, AND advance the base timing, as long as it does not ping.

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lol.. i run 32 degree's of timing at WOT, and thats about as high as you can get out of boost... so lets say your running 32 degree's out of boost,

http://www.newbieforces.com/files/chingroisafag.JPG

wow.. a whole 3 degree's at 11 psi.. now THATS going to make power... or not..

run like .6 or .7

the shop thats having you tune sounds like a real ------- winner http://images.honda-tech.com/set1/smile/emthdown.gif

If you want, have leed make you a nice fuel map, or i could even make you one..

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maybe he does NOT know what he is talking about. all I heard from him was "they told me" "he said" but nothing out of his own experience. ???

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Please stop this. This is like a battle of Imports-vs-Domestics and we all know how that arguement goes. ::)

Some people are better off with an FMU for fuel management. Some people are better of chipping their ECU and creating fuel/ignition maps on the fly. Not everybody has the knowledge to do this sort of thing. Some people just want to run a couple pounds of boost with an AFC and be happy. Some people want to make 300+whp and tune their own cars. We are all different, but we are all after the same thing here.

Back on topic.......
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well maybe it is becasue i dont tune cars,
BUT i am always willing to learn, so i listen when my tuner speaks, and
for Pacific Performance, who has the Fastest civic in Florida, and has about many magazine featured cars, i think they know what they are doing......and for you, i dont think so..but whatever, u do you.

the guy who told me about the chips and advancing the basemap, name is STEVEN THOMSON. call them up and ask them up take a shot at challeging their knowlege.


http://www.pacificperformance.com/news.php

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OK!!!!! I sold my e-manage and got $550 bucks, i already have 2 socketed p28's. Tell me what I need to buy fuel managment to run uberdata and 14psi on my z6 w/ greddy 15g kit, aquamist, and dsm 450's oh its intercooled. Lastley does anyone have a base map or a 10psi map i could use. Sorry for jocking the thread, just taking peoples good advice. :D :D ( hint ;) )

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You need a burner and some chips. The software is here.
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help here on good old HMT

https://www.homemadeturbo.com/forum/...;threadid=5155

help from uberdata site
this thread helped me, follow the instructions carefully and read through all the thread, others posted and added some good info needed.

http://www.ecimulti.org/uberdata/for...y;threadid=114

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if you still need help, ask around here i know members with burners here are willing to help you out.

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cool, i hope the guy who started this thread gets some sense and goes the same route I did, ---- its next to FREE!!!!!

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next to free would be .01 ;-) good job on selling the ecrapage!

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oh yea i learned alot,just dont turbo a honda! LOL nah im going to try cave man management(fmu check valves)besides i have exhaust leaks out the ass.but i fired the car up today sounds good but oil press is like 80 psi at idle. i think its wrong. all i need now to boost is my fmu and intercooler from jonnyracecar, thanks for all the info i need to sit in the FAQ and read.

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Did you just read the topic?
if you are going to do the FMU and check valves?
i do think you should follow what you learn, DONT TURBO YOUR HONDA!!!!

;D i'm just playing, if you are goin to use that management, dont boost above 5-7 psi.

i personally think you SHOULD at least use the HACK.

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Yeah i know but im a lazy bitch, and im a wuss and dont want to destroy my only car for now.im looking to get a hack and build a motor by this before end of summer.besides i thought turbos where just bolt and go but its alot more then that, i need to read and study some more.