Worn Rod Journals? Help NSFW 56K = Die
 

Alright so I have been taring down my D16y8 cause the damn thing leaked all the oil out and blew up. well Its my daily so i need to trow this dude back togeher and i have been sorta postin ---- here. https://www.homemadeturbo.com/forum/...?topic=87739.0
well i got my a crank and ive got the old one out but I'm not sure if these journals are fucked or not. I think 1 & 4 spun, I know for a fact that 1 did and it just looks like 4 did as well or was trying. as you can see from pics 2 and 3 look great but 1 and 4 didn't look like them and since they are the ones that spun i dont know if i shoud just slap the new ---- in there or if it will just spin again . On with pics and I will throw a little porn in the end for good measure
Journal 4 Does this look ok?
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...l/IMG_1290.jpg
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...l/IMG_1294.jpg
Journal 1 this is darker than all the others.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...l/IMG_1293.jpg
Heres teh chewed up bearing that came out. Pretty obvious Oil stavtion :1
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...l/IMG_1288.jpg
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...l/IMG_1289.jpg

So does 1 and 4 look ok? heres what 2 and 3 look like
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...l/IMG_1295.jpg
Can i reuse these rods?

Heres teh porn
http://nshoneys.com/hosted1/hh/gals/...-sex/pic09.jpg
http://hustlercash.com/FHG_NEW/busty...4/media/14.jpg
http://gallys.realitykings.com/bn/718/8.jpg

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1 and 4 look tore up and heated pretty bad, i wouldnt reuse them at all. How does the crank look? I bet its shot too

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Rods/crank=trash

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Yeah the crank i figured needed to be replaced anyway but i just didnt know if its a good idea to reuse them. I wont be boosting on it i just need it to run reliably.

------ a buying rods sucks ass.

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ur better off finding a used motor is you just need something too DD

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I looked into it but all the motors i found were like 80K and up for like 800-1000 bucks and so far this rebuild is gonna cost like 450. I'd be real ------ pissed to swap out a motor for close to a grand just to have it start smokin after a while. ---- that.

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If you want to stay stock internals I have some Z6 rods/pistons in great shape with no spun bearings.

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That might be a life saver to be honest jago. I am gonna talk to a friend of mine tomorrow and if he doesnt have any ideas then I may grab some from you. Thanks.

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crank is junk


buy a jdm d15b longblock. You should be able to score one for around 600 shipped or so. Even cheaper if you have an importer near you. They run usually 450+ picked up complete

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yea...all you need is a motor, i dunno where youre looking that they are over 500 or so for a single cam. Imho that motor is toast/not worth fixing without new parts/machine work

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have the crank turned, the rods resized and order oversized rod bearings = fresh bottom end.

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honda cranks should never be turned. Spun bearing on a crank its junk unless its a little glaze which this is not


it belongs with your leftover taco bell

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why ?

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because they're a dime a dozen and not worth the time and effort. Would you really want to pull it apart again if the machinst comes in high and does it wrong?

Anything D series is dirt cheap, pick up a short block or even a whole motor. You can probably get a low mileage motor for 3 or 4 bills and be done with it.

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i asked because my old motor had a crank that was turned. nothing wrong with it just cost me $100 i think.

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Because they are nitride coated from the factory and spin balanced to 10k rpm's. Any machining done to the crank removes the coating and weakens the crank. D-series cranks are a dime a dozen anyway, easier and cheaper usually to buy a new one. Also never re-use the spun rods...the heat fatigues the metal and makes them weaker i.e more prone to stretching and snapping.

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How much would it weaken it? I mean if he is just going to put the motor back together and not boost or anything, would it be alright to say, turn the crank and use some used pistons and rods with fresh rings and bearings?

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Honda cranks can be turned down, re nitritedm the finished machined to proper OEM specs.

But the whole process is not cheap, it's cheaper just to find another useable crank.

But seeing a $4,000 crankshaft glow is awesome in itself.

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I promise that you can not find a low mileage D for 300 bucks. I thought that too untill i needed one then i realized that the only low mileage motors were the popular B swaps and ---- liek that. Cheapest d i found was a ZC for 900 with 80K on it already. I found nothing in the Tidewater Va area better than 800 for around 70K-100K motor no tranny. Who's to say that it wont smoke it 5K with that much miles? I bought the car from the second owner at like 55K so i know this car has been taken care until now at 120K, it wont smoke. I rebuilt it for 400 and im gonna roll on the stock rods per advice of an engine builder. it wont see boost but i think it will be fine for 100hp daily driving, I have to get my daily back and cant afford to build the block. so I am kind of fucked as far as turbos and this car goes. Until I secure a second ride, i cant take the chance of an unstable ride again.

I have been told that turning it was a bad idea cause then you gotta deal with oversize bearings and all that ----. If i go new crank route then what teh ---- is there to plastigauge? Stock specs? crank is in just gotta go get me a new oil pan gasket and some RTV ----

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You are correct Bone. I figured it wouldn't be worth the mention of having them re-nitrided though because of cost factors.

OP: Why not just post a want add for another crank? Between here and H-T there are thousands. I'm sure someone has a good crank laying around that would suit your needs.

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Again why not just have a jdm d15b vtec shipped to you. In my years I have only had one count that one jdm motor fail within one year. Most lasted to the point of boredom actually make that all of them. This is well over 100+swaps

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Very true...last d15b I ordered up for a job only ran around $450+shipping from cali. Probably the best bang for the buck considering what your other options are.

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Well thats what i meant. I had heard ---- like that too but when it came time to find one all those dime a dozen D15's or anything d for that matter where high mileage and not 400. 2 of the local places I called said they can get ---- from cali so i know they weren't just looking local. Hmotorsonline even said they didnt have ---- except 90K ZC's and for 900 shipped, im good. I couldn't find any deals like that. Maybe my local dudes didn't know ---- i dunno.

The main issue was it was my daily and this needed to be fixed yesterday kind of ----, sucks if there is a better deal now that the money is spent.

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http://nippon-motors.com/honda.htm



there you go. They always have around 10+ in stock. Shipping is cheap since they sell so much and have there own shipping company.



For future reference



The guys on the east coast just buy stuff from the importers on the west coast and up the cost


buy direct and be happy




Nippon owned by japs run by mexicans. california style.

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Oh so true. I was one of the first guys to start buying them from my importer in so cal I got the mad hook upz yo not letting that one out who :)



They were selling them to use for 200 bucks complete has at the time they were selling them has vx replacments this is around 2000-2001. It was good times no one knew what that motor was. It liked a 75 shot too. Classic white trash build.



Motor swaps done under a street light or in a dirt lot in the middle of the desert. Porting heads/manifolds in my living room :)

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you sound like an OG :)

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My experience lies with LS motors which usually like to throw #2 or #3 after the rod bearing is spun. I have spun a rod bearing before that had the "I'm fucked clack" on a cold (2 day old) startup. After pulling the motor I think it was #3 rod journal that looked like a cheese grader got to it. I decided to use some emry cloth to round it back out even, but by the time you factor in the cost of some oversized rod bearings (using just one, letting 3 go into the parts bin) the actual cost of a crank is cheaper.

It's just a D series, start with a higher miles block and freshen it up or just drop it in as-is. Many people have said not to mess with turning journals on a honda crank because of the coating but if you think about it, machined tolerances don't really matter, as long as everything is in spec with the use of plastigauge.

In reality the machine work doesn't out weigh the price that you can pick up another shortblock/crank at. You can also find standard sized bearings for a good price - they are mostly cheaper than oversized ones anyways.

Hope that helps.

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There are some importers in the MD area that have decent prices. I looked into them when looking for a replacement D series, but found one cheaper locally with decent miles.

GL.