what would be best? turbo or supercharger?
 

i have a b16a in my 90 ls integra i installed myself aout 6 months ago and i want to get a little moe power from it. So i was thinking about putting turbo on it or supercharge it bu i am not sure i would like to turbo it everything on it is stock but for the clutch but everthing else it internally so i am looking for a cheap but good way to mange turbo for my car and as well what would be the best boost to run? thank you very much..
-qit

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read the FAQ and the forums.

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Get very good fuel management and you can boost to max 12 psi I think... maybe more depends on the current state of the engine..miles run etc..

Re:what would be best? turbo or supercharger?
 

go with turbo way better than supercharger for many reasons # 1 is the sound of a blow off valve

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you can still use a bov on a centrifugal supercharger i think

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You ever hear one, sounds like a weezing stuck pig.

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ive never heard any type of noise from a supercharger and there is like 3 in my area but yeterday we tryed to race a twin turbo supra in a spec v for fun and when i heard those blow off valves and the whinning of the turbos i was in heaven and the guy took us for a drive in it

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They don't sound too bad.. I really like the sound of the comptech supercharger on the f20c.. ;)

Jeff

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i dont want to be an ass but superchargers are superior technology compared to turbocharging, turbocharging has been around for a very very very long time, but superchargers are much much more expensive. with a supercharger (roots or centrifugal) you do not get the mass amounts of heat and you can get power throughout the rpm range. superchargers are much more streetable. the only drawbacks of superchargers are its impossible or hard to run a intercooler with a roots type blower and they don't make as much high rpm power as a big turbine

Re:what would be best? turbo or supercharger?
 

Superchargers are simply not a huge players in this field though.. All the worlds fastest hondas are all turbo.

Heat problems hardly pose problems anymore with very efficent IC's and excellent aftermarket management setups. Personally I would never buy a supercharger, they are very over rated.

Jeff

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yeah like i said a big tubine will make a lot more power, but on the street i'd rather have a supercharger

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Huge turbos can make massive power as well dude.. More than our engines can support..

If we are going stock for stock.. example D16a6 turbo or supercharged.. their is no comparison.. with a properly sized turbo, and a nice fmic. The d16a6 would walk all over a JRSC A6.

They are slow as ---- on imports, I have drove 1 JRSC GSR, 1 JRSC D16a6 and got 1 ride with a Vortech B16a SI. The only one that felt good was the vortech setup.

Jeff

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well i believe you but if you read over my post i said tubines make more power :P

i've never driven a supercharged honda so i wouldn't know. but i still like the idea of low and top end power.

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It really depends on personal preference I think. I've driven a Pontiac GTP and I really like when you hit the gas around turns you had no lag and the tires would just spin and spin. On the other hand, I was in the GTP when we raced a slightly modded WRX and it kicked our ass top-end. I love both superchargers and turbos, but I think for Hondas that turbos are better suited.


Sean

Re:what would be best? turbo or supercharger?
 

"turbo lag is like a polite way of giving a head start"...from a dsm site

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lol, giving head starts is really bad especially when you can't catch up

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turbos are best on 4 cyclindars and v6's while superchargers are for v8's

Re:what would be best? turbo or supercharger?
 

who told you that?

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who said i cant catch up...lol

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me

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haha...well most of the time i can...i meant to ask, what motor is in the camaro?...ever run it at the track?

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its a small block chevy 400... bored to 409ci right around 500hp if its running right. its hard to tune a double pumper carb perfectly with a big cam and when the weather is so different all the time.

i ran 13.4 on street tires and missing 3rd and 4th. put it this way. 13.4 @ 94mph!

the shifter linkage on it is all fucked up and worn out so its hard to find gears... i adjust it and then after two runs its back to fucked.

but with streets tires i launch at idle and don't floor it until i'm in 2nd. i ran 60foot 2.2sec 13.4 @ 95mph, shouuld be 13.4 @ 110 or higher. the car would run 12.5 with slicks and not missing gears... i ass raped a 90s style supercharged mustang gt, well not raped but he had slicks and ran 13.7

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sweet ride man...this takes the cake though...i know this guy that lives near me with a turbo vr6 gti that i saw run an 11.3 without third gear at all..he spun first, second, and then fourth (we thought he was spinning 3rd until he told us later) with slicks....it was sick...he ended up running a 10 something

oh and i have a friend with a supercharged 90s style GT, he ran a 9.99 and an 11 something w/o the vortech

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damn big money big money, that gt i raced was stock except the supercharger of course :)

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To get back to the poor guys question, I recomend a Garrett T3 turbo .48A/R exhaust .42A/R compressor. You can get one from almost any salvage yard in the world, they are stock on SAAB 900 and 9000 and Volvo 240 and 740. This is a bullet proof turbo that is inexpensive to purchase new or used(i can get you rebuilts for $350)and will make boost from 5 to 30 psi with not a lot of lag. If you want a bigger unit get the T3 from the turbo Tbird, it`s a .60 AR compressor with a .48 AR exhaust, almost as big as a T3/T4. Be carefull buying a used Tbird turbo, the exhaust housings crack badly.

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im going supercharger just cuz a downpipe of any size to it whatsoever wont fit in my car(cuz its salvaged, front crossmember is moved back towards the engine). but i would have to agree, turbochargers are probably better. i plan to get the vortech supercharger, but without that lil cooler thing, thats way to expensive.

Dane
ps. i wish i could go turbo :'(

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Turbos are better, turbos make more hp than superchargers. Its a fact, superchargers take hp to turn. You know what happens when you put a turbo on a top fuel car? It blows up, they haven found a block strong enuf to take the horsepower produced by a turbo top fuel car. Turbos are also against nhra rules in top fuel.

What happens when you make a TTV8?

Look at this:

http://members.tripod.com/~Red_Header/rrttm.html

Twin turbo 350 v8, 2000+ hp need I say more? It makes me wanna ditch my honda project for more cylinders, naa not really, maybe later.

Re:what would be best? turbo or supercharger?
 

dane, dont be a puss, just because your member is a little bent shouldnt make you go with a supercharger. lol, Modify it, or make a new one.

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i've seen twin turbo full blown dragsters... yeah the ones that go 4 seconds. it was slightly slower than the supercharged & nitrous dragsters... but maybe will more experience by the team they could make the twin turbo faster... cause no one really uses them.

when you said supercharged take hp to run, what do you think a turbo is doing while its spooling up... taking horsepower away. more than a supercharger, cause a supercharger makes quick power. turbos have to build boost therefor not making full potential until whatever rpm... whereas a supercharger could make full po almost instantly...

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the superchargers on top fuel motors take 800 hp to spin...it was in a magazine once...and once a turbo spools, it is no longer eating hp, while a supercharger is always dragging on the motor

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twin turbo doing 4 seconds? hell even 5 seconds in NHRA? lets see some pics, never seen one that fast at all

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well they have never broke under 4 seconds, but i saw one that did 4.8 or something.. i'll try and find it again...

dang i can't find it, i don't think it was around 4 seconds, but it was slightly slower than the supercharged and nitrous top fuel dragsters...

but i found this...
http://www.callawaycars.com/Corvette...er_article.htm

Re:what would be best? turbo or supercharger?
 

there's a guy in toronto with a
2001 mustang GT with a paxton 1000 supercharger.... hit 12s.... wow is all ig otta say

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my friend has an older (97-93 i think) mustang with a vortech supercharger than ran a 9.99

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I personally like the turbo and will always go with a turbo over a supercharger. Mainly cause the turbo uses "useless" exhaust gas to make hp while with a supercharger you need to get the engine up to a certain rpm to spin the belts fast enough to make enough hp.in other words

turbocharger gives you something out of nothing( exhaust )

supercharger takes power to make power ( rpm to turn the belts and get the supercharger up to rpm boost )

besides its so much more fun when you hear that sweet suculent sound of a B.OV. and its less expensive ;)

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Is that suppsoed to be a good time? There's a white, full race, CRX here that does 11.75 on a B18C with a T3/T4..

Probably cost a 1/4 half as much as that Mustang GT plus, ----, it half the engine! ;D

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Re:what would be best? turbo or supercharger?
 

the 1.8 might have been built. and he was probably running a lot of boost. either way added a turbocharger is just like adding liters.

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Get a turbo. Super chargers take Hp to turn. Even more they take torque to turn the pulley. They have no problem on v8's because of the CC and torque of a v8. Now imagine what it would take for a 1.8 liter to turn a SC. The motors are so small and not torquey enough to spin that SC.You'd rob more Hp than gain. With a turbo now it runs on wasted energy which would be your exhaust. Yes you will encounter turbo lag but with technology out there now you can almost eliminate all turbo lag. With the properly sized turbo and fuel management you could extract so much more horse than a Supercharger would ever come close to. And there are so many more items to upgrade into a turbo to make it faster. Plus super chargers run all time meaning you will always be pushing boost. If you wanted that you would need to bullet proof the bottom end. Now with a turbo its fully adjustable depending on your boost equiptment. If you didn't want boost just turn the boost controller all the way down and drive like normal without worrying about wearing the motor out. Can't do that with a SC. From what it sounds it looks like you are on a small budget and SC's are more expensive anyways. Either way you go I would run though the motor first and replace the internals, atleast pistons and rods and while you are in there bearing and seals. I hope that helps you pick out what you want.

Re:what would be best? turbo or supercharger?
 

thank you guys for your help. i am going to go with a turbo i am going to save up some cash and build the motor a bit so i will feel better then i will get a decent turbo. i would rather rebuild now then do it later ;/ the motor only has bout 70,000 miles on it but i am still going to work on it a bit. thank you again though.

-qit