Tranny took a dump...
 

Ok, had autocross yesterday, and after my first run.. i notice a puddle of oil under my car.

The axle seal was leaking (no big deal right?)...

Anyway, Called buddy to order a seal, but it wouldn't be in til monday. So we go get some oil from the gas station, and put a quart in... hoping to drive the car home. The entire quart ended up draining out. (Well crap)..

So we decided to drive it on what was in the tranny, since the transfer case sits below the axle, it would still have a good bit of oil in it..

I start driving, and something didn't feel right (maybe i was paranoid)... So we pull off at a Discount Shoe store.

I parked there, and the manager was more than happy to let me leave it for a few hours.

We go home, and pop a used seal out of one of friends many (automatic) transmissions :roll: ...

I went back to fix my problem, and by this time its getting dark, and looks like it might rain (again)...

I finally get to the seal in the (gravel) parking lot.. and realize I have BIGGER problems.

The seal had been eaten alive... and a shard of metal (the size of a match stick) was petruding from within the tranny.

Upon further inspection, (looking thru the axle hole) the races? on the ball bearing (for the diff) were completely gone, and the balls were laying at the bottom of the bearing...

Oh, and we towed it (thanks to my brother, and a bigass trailer), and when we got it to the garage, went to drive it down the ramps, and the lower ball joint (which i had seperated to get axle out) popped off again (the bolt was already stripped a bit)... so the wheel got cocked, and the car stuck halfway down the ramp... We had to get the back-hoe, and chain the front of the car, lift it up and pull it into the garage... (not a fun night)

So, Im gonna open it tonight, and see whats happening inside. Hopefully I can spare the transmission, and the new LSD diff is not shot. We'll see...

If anyone knows a bit about transmissions, I'd like to pick your brain a bit. Thanks all.

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MISTA BONE is your man

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ok, thanks... Ill look him up.

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Let me guess.........OBX LSD?

Pics, but I'm willing to bet the clutch side housing is fubared.

I just tossed a 91 Si due to diff bearing failure

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yea, obx...
I will take pictures after I get the housing off tonight.

Im wondering if its because I re-used the stock shim (for the factory diff) when I installed the obx unit. I also didn't check my clearance (between shim, and bearing?). So idunno, im an idiot.

PS, I was searching around google, and your page came up... weird huh?
http://home.cinci.rr.com/mistab0ne/tranny.html

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I posted this up on another forum, and your name showed up again... Apparently you are the man when it comes to trannys. ;D
http://www.clubcivic.com/board/showt...29#post1952629


PS. I found a used D16y8 transmission, but Im not sure if my current OBX differential will fit the Y8 unit. Any insight on this?
EDIT: Nevermind... It will work. I did some searching (not sure if the tranny is plug-and-play to the z6 setup tho).

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I'm gonna guess it was due to not shimming it...but I'd like to find out the real reason once you take it apart. Good luck with it.

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not one to brag.........

but I is the D tranny Guru. (not GOD!)

I called the OBX issue before you spoke of it.

Pics are great help.

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Pics:

Im pretty sure its salvagable... but I didn't like the excessive amounts of metal in/around the magnet. Im sure they all came from the 1 bearing, but still.

So, what Im thinking, is put my old VX transmission in my car until I can get this one back together... and together right.

Im attempting to contact GearSpeed, and order some carbon synchros.. (since mine are old anyway, i figure time for an upgrade).. and maybe order all new bearings, seals, etc.

Anyway, here are some pics:


Missing Something?
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/9...8mediumpv9.jpg

Inside the tranny:
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/4...4mediumkn9.jpg

Metal on the magnet...
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/2...1mediummk1.jpg

Chunks that I pulled from transmission :
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/9...5mediumpf3.jpg

Where the diff sat:
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/8...4mediumbp0.jpg

Factory Shim:
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/4...3mediumuk3.jpg


Diff looks good...
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/9...1mediumez1.jpg

The other bearing was about to explode:
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6...2mediumnz5.jpg


Ill need to get my ball joint fixed now (lower control arm)
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/3...9mediumxv7.jpg

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bumpin with pics...

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no pics of the "other" bearing?

FULLY strip the shafts and remove ALL bearings for cleaning. Also remove the oil guides and clean behind there.

Your gonna need 4-5 cans of carb cleaner.

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yea, I uploaded the pictures, and guess I never posted it.. O well, it looks lake scuffed up bearings, with no shell, and no roller/spacer thingies... (technical term?)

I used a buttload of brake parts cleaner, a air nozzle, and a magnet picker upper thingie... Got her pretty clean.

Im gonna put it back together, and then go looking for a backup transmission, as this one already has over 200,000...


PS: (I guess this is what I get for trying to save a buck)

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not to be an ass............well I'm an -------.........

but I see another failure in your future.

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well, hopefully I can find a backup to replace her soon anyway. I just dont want to dump a bunch of money into this one, and still not do it right (Right would be new synchros, bearings, seals, everything.. ) and I dont have the time/experience yet to take on that task.
I think Ill just put this one back in, and find a lesser mile tranny as a spare.

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Ok,

Got everything in, and working yesterday... went to supper, came back (brian was gonna help me put it in the car)...
So its going on 8pm, and we're making sure everything is correct before putting the case back together... and we find this:
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/6...7mediumpq1.jpg

Apparently, when I was test fitting for the shim earlier in the day, I was tightening the case down, and it wouldn't seat correctly... I decided it was the new diff bearing that needed to press itself into the outer casing... so I keep torquing the bolts little by little, when all of the sudden, SNAP... (from inside the transmission (I had at the time assumed it was only the snap-ring seating, as that was the reason the case wouldn't fit correctly), but it was the bearing that the snap-ring seats on /\ that cracked. (I know, im an idiot for forgetting to seat the snap ring).

Anyway, It was too late to order a new bearing (8pm), so I called hondapartsunlimited in arizona, and they said they would ship one out in the morning and be here Saturday... So I ordered it. (setting me back two more days)...

I figured, hell, why not call appletree honda this morning, and see if by some odd chance they had the bearing... and guess what? They DiD :woot
I went and picked it up, pressed it in, and just finished putting the tranny back together.. YEY!! If all goes well, its going back in the car this afternoon.

Pics
Pressing the cracked bearing off:
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/6...4mediumsz2.jpg

tranny all apart:
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/8...6mediummi0.jpg

the original bad bearing:
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/3...5mediumva3.jpg

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what the hell is that contraption?????

just HAMMERTIME!

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haha...
$25 at harbour freight, and it can't be beat.

PS. if it makes you feel any better, i hammered it back on. (rubber hammer, + socket = pie)

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Brass is your friend. Glad to see your getting it back together.
Shadyside tonight????Lol!

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"soft steel" hammer with 1956 date stamp on it, it was my grandfathers, about 2 pounds of weight.

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Thanks all.. She's working again. Lived to see another day. O0