Shifting issues with Prelude *updated 4/6/08*
 

Hells yeah I got it fixed. Braced the top of the bracket and firewall with no flex at all now. Shifts like butter. :6

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just looks like a shitty clutch

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Damn that's what JD said. ---- ---- ----, I don't want to pull a damn tranny.

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I'm having the same problem and the dudes at PreludePower said that the input shaft splines may just need to be greased up. Still, since you gotta remove the trans to do it, you might as well throw a new clutch in. :(

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you are sir can tell them to lay off the crack cause imput shafts having grease or not have nothing to do with the shifting, but more to do with a throw out bearing, clutchis going out or you have bad syncros

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my first gear is like that sometimes on my hatch. i think its just loose shift linkage though. though i still havent learned that i cant shift into 3rd to fast........damn synchronizers :P

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Sometimes I have to release a bit the clutch to let the gear enter... Mine do almost the same as yours, seems like syncro are bad...

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honda trans.
1 and R require some finesse.

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3rd always grish too... Well, to only good gears are 2,4,5! Never had problems with them ;) I had a transmission that I shifted from 2nd to 4th because when it was in 3rd it was going to neutral himself... I win some race without that gear :6

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3 gear worn and poping out

weird how transmissions wear down. 1990's VW always blow out R first. and I mean gear strips half it's teeth like butter. Don't know why, bad metallurgy or just dumbasses attempting R burnout? IDK.

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3rd is the only gear that grinds sometimes. rev matching is fun. hell std 4 speeds are great if you love 3000 rpm highway rolls.......well 3300 at 70!!

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Anyway to know which? I would hate to put in a new clutch just to have the same problem.

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u can test how clutch works through... like ppl above say , sometimes i get sameproblem with 1st gear but i engage 2 and down to 1st and no problem, i havent any problem with 3through ,yes with 4 :1

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drain the fluid look for shavings or metal flakies, were talkin little tiny flake smell the fluid if it has a burnt smell probbibly should look for a tranny, i had an accord that did some wierd ---- like yours and it was the syncros after i took it to a tranny shop and had it test drove thats what they told me to do, but try some royal purple syncromesh before you rip the tranny out and replace it and just trow a new clutch in it with the new tranny and run the royale purple ---- in it i sware by the ----

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Well I have some Honda MTF that I was going to swap in to the Slo before I sold it. I might try this and see. I sure hope it's just a shitty clutch over a shitty tranny.

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the honda mtf is well garbage in my book that was in my accord when it started acting up take it back to honda get your 20 some dollars back and go get two qts of the RP syncromesh for 16 and go buy a burger

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If its hydraulic, have you bled the master and slave cylinder?
My buddys car hard shifted, the clutch wasn't fully disengaged.
bled the system works fine now.
Just throwing out all options. ;)

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could be air in the line just crack the bleeder valve let it drain from gravity just keep the resevor (spell check) full, or use a power bleed like i do

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I noticed I am having to push the clutch in about 6" before it will go into gear also. I know on my Del Sol I only pushed it in about 3, so is this normal? I haven't bled it yet. I think I have to have a vacuum tool for that right?

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not really. make sure the reseviour(can't spell it either) is full, crack the bleed line and let gravity draw some fluid through like gen 4 said. If you let the res. get too low you have to start over.

or if you have two people, just bleed it like you would brakes (press hold clutch, crack bleed line until fluid pressure drops, retighten line, release pedal, pump and repeat)

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I would try bleeding it first also, usually hard shifting seems to be more of a clutch issue but if the rest work fine i donno. I always put "anti-seize" on all my spline shafts before I install them so the T/O bearing can slide easily. too bad it isnt a d-series a clutch/tranny job is only like 10-12 beers, lol.

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ur slow im done after like a 6er ^-^

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Hmm. If there is insufficient grease on the splines, the clutch won't move far enough away to disengage the input shaft from the engine. :1

It'd be like having to rev match every shift.

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Let me know if you need a 3rd gearset... I have a couple laying around that are good, including syncros, selector sleeves... etc. Cant help you out with 2nd or fourth, but I have a few 3rd gearsets and syncros and ---- laying around. 5th gearsets and sleeve too..

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dude reread my post i said it had to do with the throw out bearing if there is a lack of grease the bearing would sieze due to heat build up, and rev matching will only align the syncros for easier gear engagement, even with out grease it will still move the full distance of travel you really need to not talk about ---- that you dont understand, he is having internal tranny problems, not a t/o bearing issue

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Yeah, and I'm saying you're wrong. The throwout bearing would make a noise if it were bad, and he said nothing about any noise. Plus, as long as the bearing wasn't seized, greased or not, he should still be able to shift fine because it's still releasing the clutch. And since what I suggested, the clutch not fully disengaging, would be like clutchless shifting, you'd have to rev match every shift because the engine is still connected to the wheels.

Everything he's said (6" push to shift, hard shifting) is indicative of insufficient clutch disengagement. It's either a problem in the hydraulics, or a problem with the clutch or the input shaft needs grease.

Plus, you said Honda MTF is garbage, so you lose all credibility.

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You are truely dumb or just ignorant you just owned your self, yes honda mtf is garbage in my book thats my opinion I have my resons to but there to complicated for your little brain to process, so your so smart tell me how im wrong cause you are the only one thats has posted this, not to mention you do not know how a tranny works in conjuction with the clutch assembly, input shaft never disengages from ----, what you think it pulls out like a cock from a vagina here since you need some schooling on this i will help you ignorant ass

Fly Wheels, Clutch Plates and Friction

In a car's clutch, a flywheel connects to the engine, and a clutch plate connects to the transmission.


When your foot is off the pedal, the springs push the pressure plate against the clutch disc, which in turn presses against the flywheel. This locks the engine to the transmission input shaft, causing them to spin at the same speed.

Pressure plate

The amount of force the clutch can hold depends on the friction between the clutch plate and the flywheel, and how much force the spring puts on the pressure plate.

How a clutch engages and releases-

When the clutch pedal is pressed, a cable or hydraulic piston pushes on the release fork, which presses the throw-out bearing against the middle of the diaphragm spring. As the middle of the diaphragm spring is pushed in, a series of pins near the outside of the spring causes the spring to pull the pressure plate away from the clutch disc . This releases the clutch from the spinning engine.

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Well I was going to bleed the clutch fluid today, but the bleeder valve won't budge. I tried a 8mm wrench and socket. Both just started stripping the valve. I hit it up with some WD40 so hopefully that will help some by tomorrow. This isn't some retarded crap like a left handed thread is it?

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time to bust out the visegrips ;)

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Its not the ------- MTF (and honda ---- is actually some of the better), its not the ------- Throwout bearing...... And Im pretty sure its nopt a disengagement issue or it would happen in all gears....

:1

Wrong

Now that ive read the thread more thoroughly sounds like the clutch is done.... IF YOURE SURE ITS BLED CORRECTLY...


Trust me, Ive BATTLED H series tranny faggotdom

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Hmm, i dunno. You can shift without the clutch disengaged once the car is moving, but with 1st it wont happen, so it could be something related to the disengagement. blah who knows

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How about in the higher RPMS???? WIth that one fucked up clutch I had it wouldnt disengage at 7500 RPMS. It was the clutch...

Like to try to help if i can... We put a acorn nut on the end of my slave cyl rod to effectively lengthen the rod and give the thing more throw. It helped, reaafirming that the clutch was fucked up... Im assuming the step was done wrong when i had the FW surfaced.

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Just watched thew vid.


Clutch is gay.

Pull the tranny.

---- if I was close id help you out, im pretty ------- good at taking them out and stuffin em back in nowadays!!!


LOL.

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This is what I'm hoping on. I'm going to try the little crap first and keep my fingers crossed. I know on my Del Sol the clutch started slipping, so it was obvious it was going out. This one doesn't slip at all, which is why I'm hoping it's something simple like the fluid. You any good at building trannys? lol, I'll sling you mine if I have to replace the clutch and let you throw some syncros in it. :-*

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Oh another weird ass thing. When I'm driving and coming to a stop when I'm at about 3-5mph I can put it into 1st like nothing. Works just fine, but if I come to a complete stop I might have the issue I shown. ???

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Thats the syncros doing there thing. They are fine, I think its the clutch from the vids and your posts.

Gay.

I feel your pain

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yah thats what i was trying to tell the little O0let, yah mtf it pretty good put i have my preference just like you have yours, im leaning towards a bleed or a clutch with worn pressure plate

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stop ------- around with it

right now u need a clutch, if u keep pressing it into gears you will need a clutch and a tranny

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I only did that for the video to show what it was doing. I don't sit and do that for shits and giggles all the time.

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Plus, once the tranny is out you could always get it looked at