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well i now have everything but the oil filter which im pickin up tomorrow

so im finaly putting my Z6 back together, i'll take pics along the way and post em up after im done

just a few questions tho

A: i got like a washer bearing thats in two pieces... the one that fell out of the block i didnt get a chance to see where it came from... so where does it go? :l

B: any tourqe specs you know would be useful so i dont have to look them up again

C: do i need to put any oil or anything on any of the bearing surfaces or crank surface so i dont ---- it over when i start it

D: proper start up to not ---- anything over

E: i got ARP headstuds, whats the tourqeing sequence? i lost the instructions i think and forgot..

that's all for now, i'm sure i'll have more when i start to put it in


ok, i just checked my ring end gap and its .025 on the bottom rings and .024 on the top... is this useable or am i fucked? please dont say fucked because i dont have time to order new ones :'( gotta have the car running by tuesday because i start work wednesday 200 miles away

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a. is thrust bearing.
b. in a book or on hmt is still looking it up.
c. assembly lube
d. let it warm up. dont rev the ---- out of it.
e. refer to b.

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not helpful ::) i know its a thrust bearing, i asked where it goes because i didnt see where the one in the block was before it fell out

i dont want to have to go through the whole damn manual again to look for the tourqe specs

i said bearing or crank surfaces

i asked proper start up, as in primeing oil lines or building oil pressure, im not gonna rev the ------- thing when it first starts up

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also for anyone other then smartass above

i read somewhere about makeing the holes in the main bearings bigger for better oil flow, anyone have any experience on this? no opinions, i want actual feed back from people who have done it or have been involved with a setup that has

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if ur gonna be lazy then nobody will help u.

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read the hanes manual for engine rebuil, it has step by step. I would use it as a bible in this case

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a. if i remember, 4th journal. look at the block for the indentation.
b. 33 for mains. put oil on the bolts.
c. bearing surface.

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thank you, im just looking for help from anyone whos done it before or has this knowledge stored in there head and feel like shareing, whatever i dont get here i'll look up somewhere

this is my first honda rebuild and im doin it solo so i just posted for opinions, tips, and a little help with stuff i either forgot or lost

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download the honda manual in the sticky thread above ^
or use this:
http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiBr...rGuideYMMEYear
sounds like you got pretty far already. good luck.
btw what exactly is included in this rebuild? main & rod bearings, head studs...
did you get new thrust bearings/washers?

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D16Z6, stock bore, approximately 8.5:1 compression
Vitara pistons
Eagle rods
ARP head studs
P&P head
ACL main and rod bearings+thrust washer
8lb flywheel with stage 4 six puck clutch
RC 550 injectors
AEM Uego wideband
P28 with a crome basemap from xenocron
and a new (to me) garret turbo with HPC coating, 50/63


pretty much my setup, i may have forgot some stuff

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anywhere that sees oil put oil on before installing, tq sequance w/ head studs is the same as head bolts, pull the fuel pump fuse before firing it up the first time, crank for a good minute in 5-10 sec intervals to build pressure. do not enalrge the oil passages in the bearings, it will cause low oil pressure. umm, you do know how to gap rings, stagger them, press the pistons on the rods. plastigauge bearing clearances etc.... you cant just slap it all together.

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pistons are on the rods already, clearences are already checked and good, i know how to stagger em, but not gap, anyone wanna point me in the right direction? im not picking up my piston ring compressor untill tomorrow so i wont be putting everything together untill tomorrow, just putting things like the water pump and head studs in place

i know your supposed to slowly step up while tourqeing the head studs, i think i read like 35, 45, 65, etc, something like that.. and going from inside out? thats basicly all i need to know there along with final tourqe number, i've read about people going above what ARP says but i'd rather not unless its needed... after break in and i get enough cash to get tuned i will be running 15+psi, probably going to try around 18-20 when i can get it tuned

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never mind, i found a topic with some info on the ring gap

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you have to drop the compression ring for that cylinder in the cylinder and square it up w/ an old piston, use a feeler gauge to check the endgap. if its too small (which is will be almost 100% of the time) pull the ring out file it a little, and recheck, repeat until the gap is correct. if you are getting an overbore or crosshatch hone on the block take .001" from the ring gap so when the rings seat the gap will be perfect. repeat on each cylinder and dont mix the rings up once its done.

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thanks for the info, i found a topic posted last year that had along the same lines, i appriate any info tho ;D this one has to last me for a while so im tryin to make sure everything is perfect

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Take it from me. Find out all the ---- you can building the block is only one step. And if you dont know what or where a thrust bearing goes. slow down and learn as much as you can. May i suggest starting at the thrust bearings

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when filing the rings keep the gap straight and always go from outside to inside so you dont make a sharp edge

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i know what it is, it fell out of the motor before i saw where it was is all and i've never rebuilt a honda motor before

i have no doubt i can put it together and get it running good, but any advice or tips from people who have done it before are a welcome help which is why i posted

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ok i found the sheet that came with my rings... it doesnt specifiy a ring gap.. is that bad or does it just mean i dont need to worry about it...? what's a normal ring gap range so i know where i should be

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.0012-.0024 end gap is what honda says. i would stay as tight as possible.

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awsome, thanks, i found alot of sheets i thought i lost so i think im set now, just gotta pick up a ring expander and compressor tomorrow and im golden

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each ring is different, get the right specs. and you dont want them nearly as tight as you would for an N/A application. FI and nitrous uses get bigger gaps, look into it

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i looked at the sheet that came with my rings and it doesnt have anything listed at all, just how to stagger them, so how would i find the specs for them

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if their the hastings rings that came with the pistons, i think my end gap was .016-.018" Just use the honda specs for end gap, thats what i did. All mine checked out ok though (because were are using stock bore with the vitaras)

on a side note, did you check your piston to wall clearance. Im curious to see how it compares with mine.

if you dont know how to check, flip the piston upsidown in the bore and slip a feeler gauge inbetween the thrust side and the bore. Mine was .002 right at the service limit ;D

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just because they are STD bore pistons and rings going in a STD bore block doesnt mean the rings gaps are going to be correct.

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when you install the mains bolts and rod bolts make sure to lube the bottom of the head of the bolt (the flange) so that friction is taken away when tourqing down and you'll get a more accurate reading/trq.

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i've built 5 engines, 4 std bore and one overbore. Guess which one i had to file the rings on ??? Im not saying that i dont check it every time... but i havent seen anything wrong yet

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you have gotten lucky then, rings dont come pregapped. even the differance in two STD bored compression rings could be as much as .0010, more variance between cylinders is a bad thing.

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and dont lower your rear tire press

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my ring gap is .025 on all the lower rings and .024 on all the top rings... is this useable or am i fucked?

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you really need to shell out the $7 for a service manual. It will give you instant answers to all of your questions

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i have one downloaded but i cant find it :1 im going to let my computer search for it right now while i run to the store for some beer and pizza to take a break

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thats too much ring gap. you will have the compression of a worn motor.

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he will have the compression of a worn motor anyway. Vitara pistons O0

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ok, do you understand the differance between compression and compression ratio??? dropping the compression ratio will hurt power yes, a compression drop due to mechanical malfuntion will drop power output as well, but they are two totally differant things. and if thats all over your head just think of it as me meaning "you will have the compression of a worn vitara build, instead of a fresh one." not trying to pick a fight, just clearing that up.

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guaranteed rod knock coming your way

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U get that bolt in time?

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agreed, well, piston slap anyways, rod knock to follow. you really need a micrometer to check them bores, hopefully the machine shop didnt go overboard w/ the hone for some dumb reason, the second ring gap sounds right, just the compression ring gap is out of specs.

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i checked the manual i have, there barely in spec so they'll do for now, i'll rebuild it again later with a new/newer block so there closer

i dont really care if this build lasts forever, just as long as it lasts about 4-5 months, then i can rebuild again if needed, but by then i will be tuned for 20 or so psi, if it blows maybe i'll just do a B or H swap and turbo those



Zeniceguycrx i did get it in time, thanks a million, your clutch was sent out yesterday but i need to find the reciept and will pm you a confirmation number tomorrow

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done mutch bidness with u dont sweet the recipt, was it the right seatbelt bolt this time?