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LOOK WHAT I GOT..1.9L ls/vtec..crower stage 3 cams.. F*CK H-T for having no TECH
ok fellow HMT motor heads...i need some pro advice on my motor.
i posted this thread on H-T AND AFTER 153 VIEWS, IN THE ALL MOTOR FORUM AND NO info........I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE BOOST HEADS HERE BUT COULD USE YOUR INPUT ON THE BUILD AND POSIBLY ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MOTOR....btw ---- H-T FOR NOT HAVING TECH ******* NOTE TO SELF ****** this is a NA motor build for now....will BOOST in future... background on the how i got the motor... my good friend had his motor built down in some shop in Philly. the motor was in his hatch, never ran it at the track...i drove it, it felt good and pulled hard all the way to reline..his car got in an accident.. we dropped it it several other chassis eg hatch, coupe, DC teg..blah blah blah...he sold the motor in a 2 door teg..never saw it till about a year ago....kid needed work done to it...herd i had wrench time on the car....long story short..kid owned money to me, so i got the motor for the cost of and LS to have him a runnin' car, and no $$$ own'd to me...NOW i have to tare it down and figure what i got.... the motor specs as fare as i know...so far... HEAD PR3 stamp obd0 b16head (can tell by the cam oil bars) good: crower stage 3 cams crower Ti retainers and dual valve springs LOOKS ported head?? valves look stock (and burt, kid was running 87 oct) bad: stock b16 obd0 intake manifold b16 throttle body stock (looking at lease) injectors BLOCK: =) B18b block base. good: GE sleeved 83mm bore forged pistons (looks like a loose setup for less resistance, and a semi dome piston) forged Rods (need to figure length, don't wanta be reving a long rod motor) stock looking crank LS (i believe) bad: it had stock gsr head bolts head gasket didnt look very pretty a lil dirty..lol statement: this motor isnt my first walk around the block (no pun), i have build some lsvtecs and have rebuild some b16's and a d16...i know my ---- when it come to the basics but now i am in the "big boys" league...when this motor was running it sounded like a tank... QUESTIONS i know as soon as i can get pics up i will...they will help u guys help me 1.what kinda numbers will i get with this setup, i know its all about the tune and it can make or brake any build..200whp...210whp? 2.need to figure exact specs of the motor what tools will help in this and where to buy...plus need good formulas....i know its a 1.9l assuming the 89mm stroke of a ls crank. 3.what can i rev this motor to when all done, i've been in the car and seen it go to 9500 a few times.... 4.header options....a few not just the mint-o-pinto Baller headers either ...GOOD..BETTER and BEST..options 5.i am going the run my 65mm throttle body for now. with my ITR manifold...with my whale penis "fake j's" intake what might i want to consider in the future... PLAN of ATTACK -freshing up the motor new seals and gaskets, rings seem find i was getting 205psi on the compression test and that was on a cold motor -new valves the old ones and carbon'd up...lol should keep them in high compression ratio lol.... -exhaust? what size...cars not going to be my daily driver i got a four door -bigger injectors 310? 370? -and TUNE TUNE TUNE.....how should i go about tunning..buy a wide ban setup and i was thinking about Crome sense I've heard good things with it and have lots of base maps for it. the motor is going in my 95 VX hatch hoping to hit high 12's and make fun of the local 5.0L's overall...thanks for your time..and hopfully everyone give useful infomation |
Re: LOOK WHAT I GOT..1.9L ls/vtec..crower stage 3 cams.. F*CK H-T for having no
450ccs + big turbo = car worth driving.
without boost thats a gutless useless motor that will get smoked by most dseries hatches you try to pull up on with 200$ hmt kits. this is not homemadestorebuiltengineforn/a.com |
Re: LOOK WHAT I GOT..1.9L ls/vtec..crower stage 3 cams.. F*CK H-T for having no TECH
LOL ...i know but at lease i am getting so input here.....i know 1.9l boosted are good....
overall what can i expect to get from this motor.....if i was to boost i would want a LOW compression SLUG liek WRX are ...lol my buddie has one with a boost issue and my SOHC VTEC four door walks on him.... |
Re: LOOK WHAT I GOT..1.9L ls/vtec..crower stage 3 cams.. F*CK H-T for having no TECH
I doubt you will see 200whp. Its sleeved. change out the pistons and boost it. 400+ all day.
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Re: LOOK WHAT I GOT..1.9L ls/vtec..crower stage 3 cams.. F*CK H-T for having no TECH
Originally Posted by CSaddict
I doubt you will see 200whp. Its sleeved. change out the pistons and boost it. 400+ all day.
Originally Posted by punkracer
overall what can i expect to get from this motor.....if i was to boost i would want a LOW compression SLUG liek WRX are ...lol my buddie has one with a boost issue and my SOHC VTEC four door walks on him....
And no, compression does NOT make the turbo spool faster. Regardless of what you may have read on H-T. |
Re: LOOK WHAT I GOT..1.9L ls/vtec..crower stage 3 cams.. F*CK H-T for having no TECH
Originally Posted by CSaddict
I doubt you will see 200whp. Its sleeved. change out the pistons and boost it. 400+ all day.
Originally Posted by Hitchhikkr
+100000 :6
You dont want too low compression on a turbo car, anything below 8.5:1 static c/r (this is a general statement applies to most engines) is too low and worthless. If you really wanna get deep, its kinda pointless to calculate static c/r anyway...... And no, compression does NOT make the turbo spool faster. Regardless of what you may have read on H-T. if i was to boost i would go the high (higher than normal) C/R and low boost to make good power.....with a sleeved motor as i have people would run 20+ psi and a goof tune....the whole thing is still up in the air, i got my daily driver four door for now... AS for the actual build of the motor...i think i could (in theory) rev the piss out of it, the stroke and bore are closer to each other, its still an over square motor, the cams are made to make high end power...the only missing link would be a baller header..lol. |
Re: LOOK WHAT I GOT..1.9L ls/vtec..crower stage 3 cams.. F*CK H-T for having no
-One you dont even know the compression nor the dome size of the pistons
-valve reliefs are they even set up for such a a large camshaft -have you clayed the motor to make sure you even at stock cam timing you can even run the cams -using a stock manifold/throttle body/head for an all motor project is about has worthless has throwing those cams in that motor to figure out the stroke all you need is a digital caliper and some know how |
Re: LOOK WHAT I GOT..1.9L ls/vtec..crower stage 3 cams.. F*CK H-T for having no TECH
Originally Posted by chris
-One you dont even know the compression nor the dome size of the pistons
-valve reliefs are they even set up for such a a large camshaft -have you clayed the motor to make sure you even at stock cam timing you can even run the cams -using a stock manifold/throttle body/head for an all motor project is about has worthless has throwing those cams in that motor to figure out the stroke all you need is a digital caliper and some know how THE MOTOR RAN AND DROVE.........the motor is good...basicly, i just tear the motor down to know what i was dealing with.... to calc the specs in...and to find out the history of the motor.... as for having the stock ---- on it , MY BEST AND EDUCATED GUESS IS the KID RAN OUTAQ $$$$$$$$ |
Re: LOOK WHAT I GOT..1.9L ls/vtec..crower stage 3 cams.. F*CK H-T for having no
cams are oversized imo not to mention you dont even know your compression. a low compression motor with those size lift cams are just bleeding of what little compression you have basically making them a major flaw
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Re: LOOK WHAT I GOT..1.9L ls/vtec..crower stage 3 cams.. F*CK H-T for having no
1. Remove B16 head
2. Sell to some ricer for ridiculous $$ because it's a M4d TyTe JDM modded b16 head 3. Slap on stock B18B head 4. Buy turbo stuff with $$ from TyTe JDM modded b16 head. 5. Boost to the moon for little $$ input. On another note, don't LS bottom ends have a shitty rod/stroke ratio for revving really high? Where's JD? |
Re: LOOK WHAT I GOT..1.9L ls/vtec..crower stage 3 cams.. F*CK H-T for having no TECH
for the money your going to be spending for a TyTE na car might as well go boost. even if your only running 8-10 psi your going to have a lot more fun then the n/a build. if you have never rode in a boosted car you should. it will revolutionilize your world. and not a stock factory boosted car even though those are still cool in the own sence. i would go with what ebola said probibly. you could hype that head like your already did to some ricer. maybe replace the valves if you think they need replacing sell it for some cash buy a cheap ls head and turbo parts. and let the boost begin.
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Re: LOOK WHAT I GOT..1.9L ls/vtec..crower stage 3 cams.. F*CK H-T for having no
Ahhh you need some ciff notes. :l
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Re: LOOK WHAT I GOT..1.9L ls/vtec..crower stage 3 cams.. F*CK H-T for having no
Originally Posted by crxvtec91
Ahhh you need some ciff notes. :l
thats what i'm thinking i ------- hate reading long post i just skimm and read the replies to get a general idea of what the original post was about |
Re: LOOK WHAT I GOT..1.9L ls/vtec..crower stage 3 cams.. F*CK H-T for having no
all motor is lame you have a sleeved block i say hm itb setup plus 100 shot d/p and a motec exhaust ;)
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Re: LOOK WHAT I GOT..1.9L ls/vtec..crower stage 3 cams.. F*CK H-T for having no TECH
ok sao if i boost why go witha ls head......
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Re: LOOK WHAT I GOT..1.9L ls/vtec..crower stage 3 cams.. F*CK H-T for having no TECH
Originally Posted by punkracer
ok sao if i boost why go witha ls head......
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Re: LOOK WHAT I GOT..1.9L ls/vtec..crower stage 3 cams.. F*CK H-T for having no
Since I see alot of stuff being thrown out here I'll share my 2 cents worth.
1. Find out what dome height those pistons are. If they come to the top of the deck and sit level like pr4's and pr3's do and still have a dome, you're probably looking at mid 11:1 c/r and possibly more. But who knows exactly until you check the dome height. 2. If it does turn out to be a mid 11:1 or higher compression setup, then those cams should produce some big power. I would also check to see what kind of rods are in the bottom end (whether or not they're just stock pr4's or aftermarket forged units). The head setup sounds like it's set for a big all-motor power build, just depends on the bottom end and tuning. 3. Rpm redline will depend on your bottom end. Bone stock pr4's I personally wouldn't run to 9500 (even pr4's with ARP bolts might be chancing it unless everything is 100% balanced). Aftermarket rods can take a better beating, but H-beam designs are not meant for extremely high rpm, whereas I-beam designs are (just don't expect to make a ton of hp on I-beams). If it was mine, I wouldn't push it past 8600 or 9k at the most, and your powerband will probably be falling off before then anyway. 4. It is not impossible to make over 200whp out of one of these motors. Too many people here are jaded by cheap boost setups, all-motor can hit this number too although with a much higher price tag. Extra displacement gives you the edge, as does the massive cams when coupled with a high enough c/r to utilize them properly. I've seen plenty of low-buck ls/vtec builds that surpass the 200whp mark (low-buck as compared to the high dollar all motor builds). Most b20/vtec builds will usually start laying out numbers around that area with a good cam combo. 5. R/S ratio debates...these can go on forever. But when it comes down to the light weight rotating assemblies of honda engines, it really doesn't make a difference. Honda learned that when they started producing the 1.8gsr's and type-r engines, which has a r/s ratio of 1.58:1 as compared to the LS's 1.54:1. Funny thing is, gsr's and type-r's have the same redline and higher than the much touted perfect r/s ratio b16 (coming in at 1.74:1). This will probably piss some people off, but this is what I've learned from personal experience over the years. If you really want guilt-free monster high rpm's, get a rotary engine. :P |
Re: LOOK WHAT I GOT..1.9L ls/vtec..crower stage 3 cams.. F*CK H-T for having no
Originally Posted by slo_crx1
If you really want guilt-free monster high rpm's, get a rotary engine. :P
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Re: LOOK WHAT I GOT..1.9L ls/vtec..crower stage 3 cams.. F*CK H-T for having no
i say sell the motor to me for $50 shipped and forget the whole thing, its a waste of time, you dont want to deal with all this BS involved, you just want to sell the motor and drive your 4 door...
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Re: LOOK WHAT I GOT..1.9L ls/vtec..crower stage 3 cams.. F*CK H-T for having no TECH
Originally Posted by slo_crx1
Since I see alot of stuff being thrown out here I'll share my 2 cents worth.
1. Find out what dome height those pistons are. If they come to the top of the deck and sit level like pr4's and pr3's do and still have a dome, you're probably looking at mid 11:1 c/r and possibly more. But who knows exactly until you check the dome height. 2. If it does turn out to be a mid 11:1 or higher compression setup, then those cams should produce some big power. I would also check to see what kind of rods are in the bottom end (whether or not they're just stock pr4's or aftermarket forged units). The head setup sounds like it's set for a big all-motor power build, just depends on the bottom end and tuning. 3. Rpm redline will depend on your bottom end. Bone stock pr4's I personally wouldn't run to 9500 (even pr4's with ARP bolts might be chancing it unless everything is 100% balanced). Aftermarket rods can take a better beating, but H-beam designs are not meant for extremely high rpm, whereas I-beam designs are (just don't expect to make a ton of hp on I-beams). If it was mine, I wouldn't push it past 8600 or 9k at the most, and your powerband will probably be falling off before then anyway. 4. It is not impossible to make over 200whp out of one of these motors. Too many people here are jaded by cheap boost setups, all-motor can hit this number too although with a much higher price tag. Extra displacement gives you the edge, as does the massive cams when coupled with a high enough c/r to utilize them properly. I've seen plenty of low-buck ls/vtec builds that surpass the 200whp mark (low-buck as compared to the high dollar all motor builds). Most b20/vtec builds will usually start laying out numbers around that area with a good cam combo. 5. R/S ratio debates...these can go on forever. But when it comes down to the light weight rotating assemblies of honda engines, it really doesn't make a difference. Honda learned that when they started producing the 1.8gsr's and type-r engines, which has a r/s ratio of 1.58:1 as compared to the LS's 1.54:1. Funny thing is, gsr's and type-r's have the same redline and higher than the much touted perfect r/s ratio b16 (coming in at 1.74:1). This will probably piss some people off, but this is what I've learned from personal experience over the years. If you really want guilt-free monster high rpm's, get a rotary engine. :P where is the best place to buy ARP hardware and 83mm headgasket for a good price...wanta buy from the same site... |
Re: LOOK WHAT I GOT..1.9L ls/vtec..crower stage 3 cams.. F*CK H-T for having no
Originally Posted by E-b0la
On another note, don't LS bottom ends have a shitty rod/stroke ratio for revving really high? Where's JD?
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Re: LOOK WHAT I GOT..1.9L ls/vtec..crower stage 3 cams.. F*CK H-T for having no TECH
go to tuner toys they are a sponser here and have great prices.
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Re: LOOK WHAT I GOT..1.9L ls/vtec..crower stage 3 cams.. F*CK H-T for having no
Originally Posted by jarebear667
go to tuner toys they are a sponser here and have great prices.
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Re: LOOK WHAT I GOT..1.9L ls/vtec..crower stage 3 cams.. F*CK H-T for having no
Originally Posted by slo_crx1
5. R/S ratio debates...these can go on forever. But when it comes down to the light weight rotating assemblies of honda engines, it really doesn't make a difference. Honda learned that when they started producing the 1.8gsr's and type-r engines, which has a r/s ratio of 1.58:1 as compared to the LS's 1.54:1. Funny thing is, gsr's and type-r's have the same redline and higher than the much touted perfect r/s ratio b16 (coming in at 1.74:1). This will probably piss some people off, but this is what I've learned from personal experience over the years. If you really want guilt-free monster high rpm's, get a rotary engine. :P
OP: HT has a very large number of users logged in at all times. 153 page views on there means nothing. The site sees very very high traffic. If this site was homemade all motor I'd be on here. But just because there's a ---- ton of users on there that don't know anything, doesn't mean that everyone there sucks. (Even though I feel that way at times) |
Bensey-poo
Want tn moderate an NA forum?
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Re: LOOK WHAT I GOT..1.9L ls/vtec..crower stage 3 cams.. F*CK H-T for having no
Originally Posted by bense
I agree with this, but I sometimes wonder if the b16 could be revved even higher than most do. I still never see anyone do this. I'd love to see a super high rpm monster with some close ratio gears. I'm talking like 11,000rpm. But most are pussies and won't pursue this option. This is kinda the direction I want to take my F20B.
OP: HT has a very large number of users logged in at all times. 153 page views on there means nothing. The site sees very very high traffic. If this site was homemade all motor I'd be on here. But just because there's a ---- ton of users on there that don't know anything, doesn't mean that everyone there sucks. (Even though I feel that way at times) |
Re: LOOK WHAT I GOT..1.9L ls/vtec..crower stage 3 cams.. F*CK H-T for having no TECH
Originally Posted by bense
I agree with this, but I sometimes wonder if the b16 could be revved even higher than most do. I still never see anyone do this. I'd love to see a super high rpm monster with some close ratio gears. I'm talking like 11,000rpm. But most are pussies and won't pursue this option. This is kinda the direction I want to take my F20B.
OP: HT has a very large number of users logged in at all times. 153 page views on there means nothing. The site sees very very high traffic. If this site was homemade all motor I'd be on here. But just because there's a ---- ton of users on there that don't know anything, doesn't mean that everyone there sucks. (Even though I feel that way at times) YO bense, what up guy, nice to see yah in the forum......ive been meaning to get u to look at the thread..... this site is awsome raw info and ballbusters..lol..its all in good nature tho... |
Re: LOOK WHAT I GOT..1.9L ls/vtec..crower stage 3 cams.. F*CK H-T for having no
Holy ----, n00b. With an attitude like that all you need is to post porn and a solid 12 second timeslip to be welcome here, IMO.
All motor is still gay, though. :-* |
Re: LOOK WHAT I GOT..1.9L ls/vtec..crower stage 3 cams.. F*CK H-T for having no TECH
Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
Holy ----, n00b. With an attitude like that all you need is to post porn and a solid 12 second timeslip to be welcome here, IMO.
All motor is still gay, though. :-* lol thanks for the aproval, looks liek if ---- gets done asap, ill make it to newengland dragway before the season is over... |
Re: LOOK WHAT I GOT..1.9L ls/vtec..crower stage 3 cams.. F*CK H-T for having no TECH
welll motor rebuild it on a hold still , got sent the wrong ARP head studs, got ZC dohc ones
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Re: LOOK WHAT I GOT..1.9L ls/vtec..crower stage 3 cams.. F*CK H-T for having no
---- it..
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Re: LOOK WHAT I GOT..1.9L ls/vtec..crower stage 3 cams.. F*CK H-T for having no
Originally Posted by bense
I agree with this, but I sometimes wonder if the b16 could be revved even higher than most do. I still never see anyone do this. I'd love to see a super high rpm monster with some close ratio gears. I'm talking like 11,000rpm. But most are pussies and won't pursue this option. This is kinda the direction I want to take my F20B.
OP: HT has a very large number of users logged in at all times. 153 page views on there means nothing. The site sees very very high traffic. If this site was homemade all motor I'd be on here. But just because there's a ---- ton of users on there that don't know anything, doesn't mean that everyone there sucks. (Even though I feel that way at times)
Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
Want tn moderate an NA forum?
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Re: LOOK WHAT I GOT..1.9L ls/vtec..crower stage 3 cams.. F*CK H-T for having no TECH
sooo i have decide that next paycheck ill be puching a mint-o header, hytech....:-D
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