Hellbert

ive had my head stuffed into so many different web pages lately reading about this its not even funny. ive spent more time trying to figure out how im going to build this and what the amperage ratings should be and what not. one thing i have noticed is anyone that 'claims" to have gotten theirs to work and gotten x amount of mileage increase doesnt want to tell anyone about it. no one will disclose any information...well, any useful information. everyone is wanting to show you how they built the stupid things but nothing to actually help me in my quest for better milage. i gues its gonna to be a big trial and take lots of notes....off to lowes!

rsmith2786

Using the alternator to create hydrogen and then burning that same hydrogen to make power which in return powers the alternator isn't going to work. I mean sure you'll create hydrogen but you will get less power from its combustion than you put into making it. That would be perpetual motion. When you think of hydrogen you need to think of it as a storage device instead of an energy source. It takes a lot of energy to create hydrogen and you will always get less usable energy back than you put in.

In my opinion the real solution is to heavily invest in nuclear power and produce lots of hydrogen. Then have hydrogen powered cars. Hydrogen isn't the solution, but its an effective way to essentially store electrical energy.

Hellbert

it wont be using hydrogen as its only power source and that wouldnt be perpetual motion. perpetual motion requires no outside input from ANYTHING (water in a hydrogen generator) to keep moving. and if your theory is correct then in no way shape or form should a turbo or supercharger work. think of the generator as like a turbo or supercharger, its only a power supplement not a power source.

Dive_Miguel

Where would you get the power to electrolyze the water? I guess using the alternator current when coasting would yield some recoup in energy..not sure though. Theoreticly, if you could use some otherwise wasted energy to electrolyze the water to produce hydrogen, you would be more efficient and extract more power/energy per gallon of fuel. There is a ton of energy in a gallon of gas. I think maybe 10% is really used to produce real movement in the averge car, someone should correct if that is wrong.

It all boils down to tapping into wasted energy from the internal combustion engine that is not used to produce usefull work. To name a few, you have the heat from the exhaust, coolant and energy that is dispersed threw the brakes to stop the car at whatever speed. I think the higher number of occurences energy changes state, the less efficeint it is.
Some of you Mech/thermo engineers should chime in.

Hellbert

power comes obviously from the the alternator. i still havent built mine, im reading trying to find out as much as i can befor i do. from what i understand it takes a fraction of the about of gasoline for hydrogen to make the same amount of power. its btu rating is insane. that is if what i ahve been reading is true... hopefuly tomorrow ill build one im not sure yet. i cant find many actual accounts of people using these things, i think most people are turned off at the fact that water can and does produce energy its just how much and how to get the most out of it...im gonna keep diging thouth

rsmith2786

No. This is retarded. It will ALWAYS take more energy to produce the hydrogen than you will get from combusting it. I don't doubt that it has a high energy density but you still need to produce it. Go ahead and prove the basis of thermodynamics, and Mr. Newton wrong....but you wont. The theoretical maximum efficiency for electrolysis is about 80%. Say that your I.C. engine is about 40% efficient. That means your total system is 32% efficient. That means for whatever amount of energy you take to make the hydrogen you will get a third of it back.

To put it simply you need some form of energy to spin the alternator. Lets say this energy comes from the combustion of hydrogen. You then create electricity with the alternator(there is an associated efficiency here). Then you use the electricity for electrolysis (another efficiency). Finally you burn the hydrogen (yet again that efficiency less than 1 is kicking your ***). Then you start the cycle all over again constantly wasting energy in the form of heat.

There are plenty of brilliant scientists and professors who would have done this a hundred hears ago.....if it actually worked. This is essentially an idea for free energy. Sounds really cool but isn't even close to realistic or possible. I encourage you to prove me wrong. It would change the world forever.

Also, when you combust the hydrogen and oxygen you get.......water. Theoretically you would get out just as much water as you put in so it does fit the description of a perpetual motion machine. Nothing going in but energy coming out.....how do it work?