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f/h build confusion.... i think...... maybe
ok here is the deal i got this h23 swap from a kid who just wanted it out of his garage the only problem was it had a spun rod bearing so i was going to rebuild it and put a new crank and rods in it and a gasket kit and call it a day. but them i came accross a f22a motor as well about a week later then after doing a little research i found out that the f22 crank and rods were the same as the h23's i was thinking sweet but then i was reading that you can just put the h23 head on the f22 bottom end(basicly a f22b-dohc) which seems easier since all i would have to buy is a head gasket. but once again the more i read into it they say the closed deck of the h23 is more stable for boost than the f22 is since its a open deck. so i'm kinda trying to figure out what should i do.
put the h23 head on the f22 block and just call it a day ? or put the guts from the f22 in the h23 and elegidly have a bigger better motor to start out with ? |
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Just keep it h23. If you have everything just leave it. In the end it would still be about the same thing. If your not going build it for big boost you should not be worried.
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Originally Posted by crxvtec91
Just keep it h23. If you have everything just leave it. In the end it would still be about the same thing. If your not going build it for big boost you should not be worried.
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Originally Posted by bitchasscracker
a little research i found out that the f22 crank and rods were the same as the h23's So why interchange them if they are the samei was thinking sweet but then i was reading that you can just put the h23 head on the f22 bottom end(basicly a f22b-dohc) which seems easier since all i would have to buy is a head gasket. but once again the more i read into it they say the closed deck of the h23 is more stable for boost than the f22F22 are iron sleeves and hold more talk to DMC1 about that is since its a open deck. so i'm kinda trying to figure out what should i do.
put the h23 head on the f22 block and just call it a day ? or and elegidly have a bigger better motor to start out with ? |
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Apparently alcohol and a keyboard don't mix :3
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Originally Posted by darksol2005
Apparently alcohol and a keyboard don't mix :3
But the f blocks are pretty strong... I had at3/04e 47 trim 48/509 ar at 15 pounds, and in the accord it was fun fun fun ... 300 whp and 300 tq at 15 psi beaten and driven daily... 25k miles on it (boosted at 144k) b4 i fucked up a ringland.. would have lasted longer but got ia bit greedy with timing... Wanted to turn the boost up to 22ish psi, but the cklutch let go... so we tried to get just a bit more, and the timing pwned the motor... The H23 head onto the f block is pretty simple trhough.... Just a few things, youll need a water tube from both to make a tube that wikll work and if i remember correctlyt, there is an oil return issue tyhat you need to adress... other than that, the h23 head flows reallly well, and theres always the cool factor of the frankenegro G series... LMK if i can help you out. SPiker |
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Originally Posted by widebody93
your talking about bigdaddyvtec, he is nothig but a big forced boosting NOG. I'd say go with the H23A1 block and just swap in a set of the type s pistons 10.6:1 and put ARP rod, head,main bolts n and call it a day. I have a H23A1 with 90mm bore but needs one sleeve replaced, and one piston sitting on the side. I retigged the piston, and remachined the valve reliefs but the sleeve is ok for n/a but boost is not friendly. It's going to be a back up motor but going to run the rebuilt piston cylinder a lil rich cause I'm not 100% sure the tig rod was the highest grade. H23A1's are 10.0:1 at least on the one I had before it was sleeved. Stock still friendly for 8psi and yes I know. Did it for 2 years boostin all the way to work"5miles" everyday.
i already stated in my post i'm not building or swaping anythig other then what i stated. and the reason i would put the f22 rods and crank in the h23 is becouse like i said before there fucked becouse it spun a bearing. yea i'm only going for about 300 hp can the h23 pistons handle boost as good as the f22 can. so the closed deck of the h23 isnt that big of a deal |
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nah the closed deck isnt a big deal at all. The only shitty thing is that the sleeves are FRM and you cant bore them. COnservatively tined, the h23 is a good motor for boost ( im assuming youre nboosting this fucker....
Widebody: Why in the ---- would you put type s pistons in a motor thats going to be tyurboed anyways??? The compression would be ------- retarded. |
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so would the h23 block be able to handle more power than the f22 ? i know the f22 can handle around 300 ish
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in my opinion, its the pistons that are the weak point of either, the h block is pretty ------- strong due to the closed deck and the frm sleeeves, but as i mentioned above it has its issues to because of it..
id go G series |
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Originally Posted by bigdaddyvtec
Widebody: Why in the ---- would you put type s pistons in a motor thats going to be turbo---ed anyways??? The compression would be ------- retarded. |
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Originally Posted by widebody93
The only reason I would use the type s in a boosted application is only for the abuse that they can take. The sureface area of the dome is thicker and will help from imploding and breaking the ringlands. My friend Charles has these in his 10lb. H23A EF with the FRM sleeves but runs a thicker head gasket and mostly race fuel for nearly I think it's going on 20,000 miles. So it can be done at 10.0:1 compression.
FOR THE LAST ------- TIME, its the RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS RINGLANDS that ARE the weak point. The Frm sleeves simply dont allow boring and running a more via ble piston (forged). Also, for 10 psi, you dont need race gas (unless using said gay pistons - as detonation is more of a concern) Be conservcative with the timing, and use the turbo (boost level) to get you the power. WSHy in the hell would some idiot think that 11:1 pistons arfe a better bet. Go kick your friend in the balls and tell him hes an idiot. |
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I already covered the ring land arguement that you keep bringing up. He has a proven method of using o e parts with a thicker headgasket so i dont see a need to be a e thug and go kick him in the nuts. Also for the race fuel comment he does have it in there for his own security i think. He has great power with stock components and over 20,000 miles on it. So i guess the Crome ecu tuned map is fine for his ring lands ring land ring lands ring lands as you stressed so much. Dont get me wrong your good at what you do but there are times that you can get ahold of parts that were made on a monday after a bonus check. I think he is pushing his luck but at they same time its a great running motor with stock parts so i know it wont bey a life long motor.
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Re: f/h build confusion.... i think...... maybe
Originally Posted by widebody93
I already covered the ring land arguement that you keep bringing up. He has a proven method of using o e parts with a thicker headgasket so i dont see a need to be a e thug and go kick him in the nuts. Also for the race fuel comment he does have it in there for his own security i think. He has great power with stock components and over 20,000 miles on it. So i guess the Crome ecu tuned map is fine for his ring lands ring land ring lands ring lands as you stressed so much. Dont get me wrong your good at what you do but there are times that you can get ahold of parts that were made on a monday after a bonus check. I think he is pushing his luck but at they same time its a great running motor with stock parts so i know it wont bey a life long motor.
And even if i were to keep the h23, the S pistons would be a ------- stupid idea and NEVER make it into one of my builds.... |
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I and we have already seen how your build have gone and went. Why do you constantly cuss and constantly think your always right. I never said you were wrong but i did say that his high compression thick headgasket set up is lasting longer than i expected. Unlike your last BUILD. So please leave all options open cause people do run high compression and turbo all the time. I know i have seen at least 20 ITR S that were stock block high compression boosted. If cracker wants any advise i would have him talk to others that have a long running turbo motor and not to one that install new slugs every quarter or the year.
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Sure you have, shut the ---- up noob ::)
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i dont even know why he is still here chances are everything he is saying is a ------- lie like ussual and i would never do any thing you sugest.......
if i ever need advise on how to shoot up coke i will be sure to talk to you and your wife but other than that i trust your lies as much as i trust a O0 |
Re: f/h build confusion.... i think...... maybe
Originally Posted by widebody93
I and we have already seen how your build have gone and went. Why do you constantly cuss and constantly think your always right. I never said you were wrong but i did say that his high compression thick headgasket set up is lasting longer than i expected. Unlike your last BUILD. So please leave all options open cause people do run high compression and turbo all the time. I know i have seen at least 20 ITR S that were stock block high compression boosted. If cracker wants any advise i would have him talk to others that have a long running turbo motor and not to one that install new slugs every quarter or the year.
Its just going to happen again if you dont shut the ---- up and keep your self fromn looking like a moron. Again. OR IU COULD COME OVER AND ---- YOUR MOM YOU worthless pile of N I G G E R ----. |
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Originally Posted by bigdaddyvtec
look you queer ass african american loving shitpile of faggotry: You dont know ----, you prove it with every post if you run 11:1 pistons in a fi motor thinking its better, youre a ------- idiot, actually you prove it everytime you post. Yup you swaw how my motor got pwned by a manufacture specified spec you bag of faggot sperm. YOu SERIOUSLY need to shiut the ---- up. I seen how your build wennt due to your not listening to people ghere. By the way, my STOCK BLOCK f series made more power than your boostewd piece of ----, with no incident... So untill you know what the ---- your talking about shut your ------- sperm trap and listen to grown folks when they try to tell you somethiong... I seem to remember your post telling ALL OF US er were right about you being an idiot....
Its just going to happen again if you dont shut the ---- up and keep your self fromn looking like a moron. Again. OR IU COULD COME OVER AND ---- YOUR MOM YOU worthless pile of N I G G E R ----. BTW your a great person to learn from but your arrogance is so childish |
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Originally Posted by widebody93
So impressive again. My admitting anything was due to the turbo selection. Other than that my motor is going strong and yet the only part holding me back is the clutch as I mentioned earlier in someother post. so ahead and say I'm a nog but my motor's have lasted longer than your drunk liquor dick on a fat chick. Cracker your the one asking the ?'s you have not yet ventured into our territory. I know my ---- and the reliance of my motor has the prrof of it. Manufactures spec's heel if your engine builder has the experience he has to of seen it comming since it's all over the net now. FAGGOT SPERM you got to get new lines ass. your F series lasted how long and mine is on 12lbs cause I ran out of time AGAIN this sounds like a broken record to you. GROWN FOLKS YOU SAY nig I'm 27 and I've build lts say fully built from the grond up 11 cars and they are still on the street and if your talking about boosted motors 3 and they are STILL on the street. Go ahead and talk about everything from the past I'm sure you have ?'s of your own that you can now answer...
BTW your a great person to learn from but your arrogance is so childish Im done with you. you bore daddy. Bitch Learn from this n i g g e r.... Die |
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Originally Posted by bigdaddyvtec
My F series would have handed your piece of ---- its ass... come to seattle, id be more than happy to embarrass your piece of ---- live and direct. For cash f you like, since you are so certain I fucked my ---- up you faggot. You have peroven nothing with this post that the rest have not already covered... You are a ------- idiot (which is the general concensus around here if you havent noticed... In fact... I got an idea.
Im done with you. you bore daddy. Bitch Learn from this n i g g e r.... Die |
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Originally Posted by widebody93
I'm in Indiana and it's if not F, keep that attitude and you definately impress more others with your inspiration. I'm daddy I'm done/ bored with you" cool one there pal" I heard and seen it many times you need more spelling bee awards. Yeah you need cash to pay off those 2 mastercards 1 visa and 1 discover card. Not to forget that personal loan for that clutch that you cashed adavanced. How far in debt are you willing to go into? Just to prove what?????? You have a 2nd rebuild't motor with less than 10k miles and I've already went past that with the same build. Ha your an ass and you need one handed to ya. I do hope to run across you someday after you break 10k miles and still running sound. your bearings will last for so long running high boost all the time. Till then ---- YOU and I hope your ---- give's out sooooooooooooooooooooooooon and I hope they are your ringlands cause you speak of them so much.......
ya i suck at life i guess since i can adfford to do what the ---- i want. ---- YOU... You are a waste of space, time and effort. :1 |
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Originally Posted by widebody93
So impressive again. My admitting anything was due to the turbo selection. Other than that my motor is going strong and yet the only part holding me back is the clutch as I mentioned earlier in someother post. so go ahead and say I'm a nog but my motor's have lasted longer than your drunk liquor dick on a fat chick. Cracker your the one asking the ?'s you have not yet ventured into our territory. I know my ---- and the reliance of my motor has the proof of it. Manufactures spec's hell if your engine builder has the experience he has to of seen it comeing since it's all over the net now. FAGGOT SPERM you got to get new lines ass. your F series lasted how long and mine is on 12lbs cause I ran out of time AGAIN this sounds like a broken record to you. GROWN FOLKS YOU SAY nig I'm 27 and I've buillt lets say fully built from the grond up 11 cars and they are still on the street and if your talking about boosted motors 3 and they are STILL on the street. Go ahead and talk about everything from the past I'm sure you have ?'s of your own that you can now answer...
BTW your a great person to learn from but your arrogance is so childish wtf are you talking about. i've never ventured into this world ?? i've worked on,turbo'ed, rebuilt, and swaped almost every engine in the f/h family. i was just asking if anybody on this forum has ever done this frankenstien g before and if its worth it. i'm almost tempted just to leave it a running f22 and not rip ---- appart till i need too :-\ |
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f22 block can handle over 400whp before it even cracks. The ringlands/pistons/rods will go probably around 300+.
When tuning the f22/h23 frank, watch your timing. Also, I suggest getting a high volume oil pump, or modifying your current one. These franks suffer a lot from oil starvation for some reason, which is the #1 reason most blow. In case you don't know, this is all you need for the head swap -H23A Head Complete(cams/cam gears/etc) -H23A intake manifold complete(fuel injectors/throttle body/sensors) -H23A Timing gear(crankshaft)-this piece may be a little hard to find but shouldnt have too hard of a time finding someone parting out a h23a -H23A Headgasket kit -F23A Headgasket -H23A Timing Belt -H23A Balancer Shaft Belt -New Head stubs (OEM,Aftermarket whichever floats your boat) |
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how do i modify the oil pump.
by the way this is going in a civic ;D |
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I duno. All I know is that some people do it for more volume.
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Re: f/h build confusion.... i think...... maybe
Originally Posted by d112crzy
I duno. All I know is that some people do it for more volume.
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Your a ------- idiot.........get a circuit worx oil pump gear and spend the $250 and be done with the shimming bull ----. Who the ---- ever told you about shimming a tight clearance H22A oil pump gear needs shot. And yet your dumb ass ------s the word for a deffinate failure. Go back to your hole and still brag about this $10000 build that blows up so often.
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Originally Posted by bigdaddyvtec
I got some bad news for you faggot, i make more in a month than you do in at least two, as for my spelling, its fine... Its my typing that sucks moron. I have payed CASH for all of this build... Out of pocket TWO TIMES NOW. So queerbait ---- you. ---- your mom, and ---- you again. You should hope not to run across me so i dont put my ------- fist into your ------- teeth Faggot I"M SO ------- SCARED OF YOUR E THUG ATTITUDE. My ---- is payed for TWO AND GOING ON THREE TIMES NOW... and all mine, in fact im starting another project JUST CAUSE YOU CANT GET THE ONE YOUR STARTED TO BE RELIABLE... ANOTHER 600+ HP car.... RWD this time...SURE THING and about 300 miles it's toast too
ya i suck at life i guess since i can adfford to do what the ---- i want. ---- YOU... You are a waste of space, time and effort. :1 dumb ---- |
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Originally Posted by widebody93
Your a ------- idiot.........get a circuit worx oil pump gear and spend the $250 and be done with the shimming bull ----. Who the ---- ever told you about shimming a tight clearance H22A oil pump gear needs shot. And yet your dumb ass ------s the word for a deffinate failure. Go back to your hole and still brag about this $10000 build that blows up so often.
go ---- your mom... i did you ------- ngger. |
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Originally Posted by bigdaddyvtec
go ---- your mom... i did you ------- ngger.
Originally Posted by widebody93
Your funny
dumb ---- READ CAREFULLY I love caps lock |
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Originally Posted by widebody93
ITS african american .
READ CAREFULLY I love caps lock |
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I'm done with your childish acts. Grow up and learn grammer.
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Originally Posted by widebody93
I'm done with your childish acts. Grow up and learn grammer.
end yourself. |
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Originally Posted by widebody93
Your a ------- idiot.........get a circuit worx oil pump gear and spend the $250 and be done with the shimming bull ----. Who the ---- ever told you about shimming a tight clearance H22A oil pump gear needs shot. And yet your dumb ass ------s the word for a deffinate failure. Go back to your hole and still brag about this $10000 build that blows up so often.
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Originally Posted by bigdaddyvtec
you mean GRAMMAR right fucktard???
end yourself. |
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Originally Posted by bigdaddyvtec
by the way you dont shim the gear you dumb ----... once again you proved your a cumguzzling idiot that knows ----.....
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Originally Posted by widebody93
I went your route and mis spelled for your benefit of the doubt.
Ya sure princess....sure. Nice sentence structure by the way you less than white piece of ----. Go drown in a bottle of whiskey faggot |
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Originally Posted by bigdaddyvtec
Ya sure princess....sure. Nice sentence structure by the way you YOUR less than white piece of ----. Go drown in a bottle of whiskey faggot |
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Originally Posted by widebody93
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