falkhen

ok.. 88crx... you forget that this was a DX.. TBI.. typicaly there is no resistor box.

so what is the resistance on the injectors.. my i ask.

on the 12 volt 0bd1 and up
and the od0 version.??

but with all that said... don't explain why i don't have spark. its ok.. i don't have fuel that is an easy and direct problem to be solved...

it has to be somthing in the ignition.. but everything checks out..

What is circuits are on during start up.
fuel pump circuit Via ECU, PGMFI relay.....---comes on
fuel injector circuit VIA ECU, PGMFI relay.-- comes on
distributor has 12 volts. is on
cluster lights up
Engine light comes on for few seconds and is off

battery back up circuit.? ( could this cuase a problem )

some one out there!?!?

i don't know.. i checked every thing...



falkhen

88crxSi

fix fuel, then fix spark, u need both. ? im confused at what you need fixed now., ??

falkhen

What do you mean !!!! jesus...


no spark
no fuel
Yes fuel pressure ( yes the fuel pump works)
yes fuel filter just replaced it. works
PGMFI relay works ( fuel pump would not come on )

every works like it should until you try to start it.

when youy start it. It wont start.
no fuel smell
no spark.
there is fuel in the fuel rail.


im getting some thing in the injectors but i don't know what to expecet when the injector fires..
you have 12 volt input from battery and 12 volt input from ECU while cranking the voltage is 12 volts or so on the Batt side. But on the ECU side it intermeittentWhile the engine is being started. Im guessing that its firing the injectors.. but there is no fuel being sprayed..

either low fuel pressure or weak injector signal


the spark part
well there is none.. i don't get spark
the distributor is Brand new Zero miles ( not a remanufactured one either )( starting to log hours rotated though ..SHEESH!! )

i checked the sesors for proper ohm rating there test ok.
350ohm's or so
distributor has power
all wires have continuity and are tested against shorts to ground.

when i unplug the distributor and crank the engine over i get TDC code. ecu can see the ditributor.

plug the ditributor back in clear the code and crank the motor (no start.obviously) there is no code.


currently status or other parts. ( this may help also )

the Hazards do work ( EX and DX not the same.)

Dx hazards on colum
EX hazards on cluster consule
rewired.


but if you have cluster harness.. or some has EX or SI cluster harness will be most great full.




falkhen
when your knee deep in ---- you know it stinks

falkhen

CRAP !!! this server screwed up..!

stupid page timing keeps expiring..





ok my dizzy wires where mixed up..
since i had them connect for wire for wire.

i fixed that problem

meaning that B11 and B15 where crossed... since the these wires on obd0 are the same color there assumed to be the same WRONG. Far from it.
so that b11 and B15 where crossed.. ok so i
put them back.. now i have CEL/MIL 8
code 8 is TDC short or open circuit
an im showing continuity from every pin to ground. WTF!!

every thing that im pluged into on the B plug is correct.
is there somthing else that needed to be change that your so called holy diagram doesn't show.


my ---- won't start becuase its grounding out on the B plug side..
i tested A and C there ok.
continuity to ground. but im not poping any fuses.
and my sensors show good resistance.

please expliane this problem if you have encountered it




falkhen
..//-_-\\..

falkhen

well

since no has any ideas whats going on i will just have to SAY FUCKIT..

going back to OBD0 soon as i get PWo or PR3 ECU... and getting another dizzy isn't that hard

This is what i have figured out

People are willing to do write ups and what not.
but are not willing to give enough support for there write ups.. ITS called reposability... but that would be asking to much.
until i find some one who is more has more knowlegde in doing obd1 swaps this is going puto off the to the side.
becuase you guys don't know. ---- about righting up about proccess operative papers. spend my time guessing..
heh your just kids.. and im frustrated -------. with out a runing car...lol

you got to love this ----.
to bad know body know whats there doing.

i even thought about a standalone. there not more expesive in what i have bought to get into this obd1 set up.. heh..!!

motor shipped to the house $514
p08 ECU ( later found out its an Automatic ) $127 shipped
p28 ( chipped with awfull fuel and spark map) $105
91 EX Cabin harness tradded hours of work for about $175
93 DX engine harness and about 45mins of labor converting
$42 and about $60 labor about $100
po8 obd1 distributor free with motor ( broken cap ) $32
p28 TD42 distributor $160 ( NEW )

More hours of rewiring becuase honda didn't keep the EF harness the same ( cluster plugs heh..!! and hazards )
$$$

Times i wish knock the ---- out of someone for saying if my grounds where fucked up... COUNTLESS

i suppose we all have things to do.. and i post so often its as time stands still..




hahahahaha
i need to get some Guniess

cheers
falkhen

projekteg

bottom line is, you should have done the mpfi swap first, then the obd1 wiring, it's just too much to trouble shoot all together at teh same time. i'm about to do an obd0 to obd1 swap next week, i'll be sure to do a thourough write up for you.

88crxSi

i agree. I think you went wrong when you started swappin harnesses around w/ a obd1 then a 90 ex auto..

i bet 1 little f'n wire is the hole cause.

unfortunately.. you can only tell by seeing it in person. i have no clue what wire is what on that now.

falkhen

if you like i will take pic of the how the wiring is done..

nice BIG HIGH REZ...super duper HUGe... 1600x1200 size 24bit

i can show your every thing in the CAR... the dash is removed for wiring..


falkhen

projekteg

well, this is going in an si, so mpfi is already present, all i'm doing is getting an obd0 to obd1 conversion harness, and running vtec wires to the obd1 pin outs on the harness. i think you complicated things a lot more than necessary by trying to change harness' and ----. you should have modified your original harnss for mpfi, once you got that done, you should have converted to obd1 and wired the vtec according to obd1 standards

falkhen

well let see..

i didn't have obd0 MPFI ECU
i had lousy Automatic p08 ecu
then i bought an canadian p28
i made 4 custom engine harness ( which i sold and they work real good.) just my cabin harness is ASSed up.

so i pulled my cabin harness and replaced with 91 EX.
..then stuff started getting bent.
like the 88-89 signal switch assemble has Hazards and 90-91 don't its on the Cluster.
no big deal rewired.. i thought that does not work becuase there is power shared in tadem to other system.

to over come this problem I 1 must change clusters and covers, the turn signal switch must be ( doesn't becuase just means i will have 2 hazard switchs)( 90-91 civic the signal assembly is the same minus hazard switch.
and the Horn plugs are diffrent.

thats all i incountered that are diffrent every thing else was exactly the same. ( oh CRX's have some type climate control module. so there slightly diffrent too )

yes this is all long and complicated process it seems.

but i didn't hear any one willing help me out when i started this project LAST YEAR!!

why i think of it is if you didn't help me out in some way form or fashion you can't critizie me.
I have yet to seen any of you guys show up at my house and say "hey im here to help where is the beer!"
All i have seen so far is bunch little teenage pukes with the ***** in the hand and no wrenchs.


personly i don't really care what any of you think i just know that some of you guys don't know what the ---- you doing and do very well at Copy CATing.


if any one has words that are helpfull in some form. please post other wise lock your fingers in a vise so you can't you type. lol



i had to add somthing else...
every thing checks out wiring wise. Volts per pin while key is on and engine off.
i get (# CEL/MIL TDC open or short
there is a short across B plug when pluged into the ECU.
other wise there is no short.
i check all the pins that connect to the B plug make sure nothing was out of the way.
check A plug becuase there connected

it just looks like there distributor doesn't work.
but this TDC short or open would stop the car from Starting

other then that is i don't know. there isn't enough information on the honda wiring to realy trace things down.
i Can't find a USDM Honda civic wiring diagram. plenty of European spec and JDM ons on PDF. ( they are diffrent)

but at any rate im going to re solder my obd0 plugs back in and stay obd0.
i really need a car that gets better gasmilage while im going to school.
my Datsun gets about 13-18mpg and on a 14 gallon tank...well you get what im talking about.


falkhen