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turbohf 10-15-2005 11:38 PM

cam caps on B-series heads....they interchangable?
 
some guy is tring to sell me a head, but it doesnt have any cam caps, or rockers.... i know the rockers are fine from another head, but im under the impression that the cap caps are machined with the head. is that true???

hotrex 10-15-2005 11:59 PM

Re: cam caps on B-series heads....they interchangable?
 
yeah its the same

di3go 10-16-2005 03:14 AM

Re: cam caps on B-series heads....they interchangable?
 
last I heard, cam caps are like main caps and are machines to the head. maybe you can get the head lined with another set of cam caps liek you can with main caps.

dohc 10-16-2005 03:36 AM

Re: cam caps on B-series heads....they interchangable?
 
I think you could easily get away with it, but if it seems off then take it to a shop

krustindumm 10-16-2005 12:59 PM

Re: cam caps on B-series heads....they interchangable?
 
i vote no, cause if you can get them align bored ($) then you need cam bearings, because the cams will be smaller than the bore ($) and you would probably have been better off just getting a head someone hadnt fucked up.

ghettoturbo 10-16-2005 09:54 PM

Re: cam caps on B-series heads....they interchangable?
 
id walk away since i always thought ---- like that was supposed to stay in order with the head it came from

BigJ 10-17-2005 04:45 AM

Re: cam caps on B-series heads....they interchangable?
 
plastigauge them to see if they are within spec, but they are made per head. I got away with swapping on a 7M GTE, check the clearance, if it's high, do some filling.

Bone1 10-17-2005 08:27 AM

Re: cam caps on B-series heads....they interchangable?
 

Originally Posted by krustindumm
i vote no, cause if you can get them align bored ($) then you need cam bearings, because the cams will be smaller than the bore ($) and you would probably have been better off just getting a head someone hadnt fucked up.

Cam bearings? WTF you smoking?

Properly done, align bored will be the FACTORY size, not bigger..........


HMT-Admin 10-17-2005 09:41 AM

Re: cam caps on B-series heads....they interchangable?
 
I cant see it being a problem, since cams are interchangeable no problems, and there is no cam journal to cam cap clearences, I'd say its fine.

I would try to stick with the same series head though.


krustindumm 10-17-2005 08:28 PM

Re: cam caps on B-series heads....they interchangable?
 

Originally Posted by Mista Bone

Originally Posted by krustindumm
i vote no, cause if you can get them align bored ($) then you need cam bearings, because the cams will be smaller than the bore ($) and you would probably have been better off just getting a head someone hadnt fucked up.

Cam bearings? WTF you smoking?

Properly done, align bored will be the FACTORY size, not bigger..........


http://img430.imageshack.us/img430/3...caps0vd.th.jpg

take 2 35mm half cicles, and put them together crooked, the only way to get another perfect circle is to make it larger than 35mm.

krustindumm 10-17-2005 08:36 PM

Re: cam caps on B-series heads....they interchangable?
 

Originally Posted by AbaZ
I cant see it being a problem, since cams are interchangeable no problems, and there is no cam journal to cam cap clearences, I'd say its fine.

I would try to stick with the same series head though.


B16 cam to holder oil clearance:
standard .05-.10mm
service limit .15mm

Bone1 10-18-2005 12:30 PM

Re: cam caps on B-series heads....they interchangable?
 
milled .002" off the cap and head, bore out to 35mm, typical align bore and hone.........

Just like you do on V8 bottom ends, esp. when adding 4 bolt splayed main caps on the center 3 mains..........

If your really picky, you'll do the bore/hone with the heads or torque plates installed to simulate the stress the block sees.....





krustindumm 10-18-2005 06:38 PM

Re: cam caps on B-series heads....they interchangable?
 

Originally Posted by Mista Bone
milled .002" off the cap and head, bore out to 35mm, typical align bore and hone.........

Just like you do on V8 bottom ends, esp. when adding 4 bolt splayed main caps on the center 3 mains..........

If your really picky, you'll do the bore/hone with the heads or torque plates installed to simulate the stress the block sees.....

So simple, yet I'm still not sure that would work, maybe in some cases. I've accidentally mixed some cam caps before and they were off by alot. Probably in the .3-.5mm range.

no matter, it wlil still be way more $$ to fix that head than to buy a good one.

Random Hero 10-19-2005 09:44 AM

Re: cam caps on B-series heads....they interchangable?
 
I have swaped them a few times, and about 80% of the time, they will not work.. but 2 times i have had them actually line up, i say good luck!

mycrx 10-20-2005 04:36 PM

Re: cam caps on B-series heads....they interchangable?
 

Originally Posted by turbohf
some guy is tring to sell me a head, but it doesnt have any cam caps, or rockers.... i know the rockers are fine from another head, but im under the impression that the cap caps are machined with the head. is that true???

this wouldnt be from anyone in wa would it dustin? if so pm me ill tell u y.

turbohf 10-21-2005 04:29 AM

Re: cam caps on B-series heads....they interchangable?
 
yes of course it is, i usually only deal with local people on trasactions of used parts, i want to see them first to garrentee the condition of them... and i cant even remember who the hell i was gonna buy that head from, probly someone off of NWSR....

shanerv 10-21-2005 05:35 PM

Re: cam caps on B-series heads....they interchangable?
 
B16 and B18(VTEC models) are interchangable. but not non-vtec->Vtec, Vtec->non-vtec

Bone1 10-22-2005 04:20 AM

Re: cam caps on B-series heads....they interchangable?
 
NOT interchangeable unless speced..........

please folk.........each head is different, yes you can get lucky with normal tolerances...........but the one time it is tight, wipes away the oil, locks a cam and 3-4 valve heads take out 4 pistons..........


was it really ------- worth it?????????????

bigdturbo 10-30-2005 10:21 PM

Re: cam caps on B-series heads....they interchangable?
 
Why don't you just listen to Mist Bone, He knows what he's talking about. Think about it, it only makes sense!

leed 11-01-2005 11:41 PM

Re: cam caps on B-series heads....they interchangable?
 
I personally would not do it. Cam caps are head specific, just like the crank main caps are.


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