building a b16a1
 

hey guys, i am some what new to the racing game, i want to build a pretty quick b16a with keeping a stock bottom end, just curious what are some good hp mods, should i lower my vtec engagement? to like 4400? how many hp are the stock injectors good up 2 ? i dont want to turbo, maybe nitrous eventually but just a small squeeze! plans right now are get a lsd, intake off of ebay, itr or ctr cams, cam gears, intake(istalled), header, exhaust(installed),racing clutch and flywheel, tuned ecu, will i need a better fpr? or fuel rail?? also i have a 91 civic hatch back on 14's (factory) with a b16a with just intake and exhaust, what should i expect to run in the 1/4 mile ?

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Just turbo your car man. Keep reading the forums and you should be able to build a nice budget turbo setup.

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i dont trust turbo cars, well not here anyways, i live in arizona man it get 120+ degrees here in the summer, that is bad, plus i want to be all motor with nitrous and beat turbo'd cars..hehe, i just dont know enough about turbo's, i kno this is the place to kearn, but i dunno dont have the patience to piece up a turbo kit

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It seriously floors me when people come here asking and EXPECTING us to help them with NA engine building. This is HOMEMADETURBO. If you're not attempting to turbocharge your engine, or at least willing to read and get the knowledge necessary to do so, there are many boards that are more geared towards what you want, but this isn't one of them!

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so nitrous is forced indction, well i geuss your right.....not..... so since its a turbo site no one knows anything about all motor cars? makes no sense

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and second my car is a daily driver driven 80 on the freeway boosted when its 120 out isn't reliable, boosting just has to many problems, you in here has made a hmt kit and hasn't had a problem to this day? and drives 40 min to work everyday but one out of the week? plus anyone can slap on a turbo system and tune it, building a na engine is just more fun, and alot of hard work !

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i agree na is more fun and takes a lot of skill espesally to run with you turbo guys butt its possible i love beating turbo cars in na's on more thing the rules of the forum is no rules you can talk about any thing witch what pheonix is doing

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this guy...humm
high hp + heat = hot motor
turbo + heat = hot motor
no one else seems to have this problem
have you ever heard of a WRX or a evo or a protege or neon srt-4 or anything else that has a turbo? do they heat up?

do it right and you won't have those problems. do some research, look around at other sites forums
honda-acura.net
honda-tech.com
hondaswap.com
(this is just a few)

talk to people, research and dont jump into things right away. research and see what works. sometimes what sounds better not always is better. the name brand ---- works just as good as the non-name brand stuff. (sometimes) but if its a matter or 1 or 2 hp and a huge price difference...(aka stainless exhaust???why waste the money??)--unless dads payin for everything, a steel one does the same dam thing. research everything you do. --and yes this is homemadeturbo.com there are other sites for all motor.
RESEARCH RESEARCH RESEARCH RESEARCH RESEARCH

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nitrous= Fucks up your motor with the quickness
turbo= Lots of fun and safe if ya do it right and RESEARCH

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putting in bolt ons is not building an engine.

lowering your vtec activation point will make your car slower, tests have proven that it's best to have it around 5k. your fpr and fuel rail will be fine for everything else you have listed. I hope you have access to a dyno, if not those cam gears are going to be nothing but worthless bling.

turbo is not a garaunteed engine killer, if you tune it right it's safer than one of these thrown together nitrous kits that has no fuel compensation.

of course on hmt you're going to have a hard time getting help with na an n2o, the t stands for turbo, not nitrous.

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you forgot one thing this is a 14 year old motor from japan, is it worth it, i like boost but my brother talks me out of it say'n not to be like everyone else and just boost a engine i dunno, what all do i need for a turbo setup? like a complete list? anybody body ever make one up?

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Read the FAQ on Forced Induction... ::)

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i dont like this guy...you make it seem like turboing a civic is the worst thing ever thought of. why? of course there are times when something goes wrong but that happenes with every car. if you research and do it right, the car will be a perfect daily driver. thats what mine is and hasnt let me down.

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i dont dislike boost, and i have researched some, and everyone says a b16 is a BAD engine to boost, 10.2:1 compression is high so i could boost what. like 6 psi at the most? unless i want to completey beef up my block

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Have you been living under a rock? You shouldn't have a problem getting 250-300whp out of your b16 with a decent setup that was tuned well. Jeff's TT LS/Vtec is running like 11.5:1 compression right now lol.

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I would like to direct you to this site http://www.theoldone.com/sc/faq.html#6
and read the Q and A

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like i said though its a daily driver i just dont want to be out of comission for a month ya know, maybe i'm bein a ----- but t just sounds risky

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I have a B16, and "You are being a -----." No matter what you do your engine will die, whether its from you shooting N20, turboing, all motor build up, or just daily driving. I bet the daily driving--if city driving--does more damage to your car than a well tuned turbo in the long run.

In all seriousness, I've done nitrous. Nitrous is by all means extremely fun if the other racer doesnt know that you have it and you just whoop his sorry ass every time, i.e. 94 Integra with stock bottom block with N20 taking out a brand spanking new RX8 (did that this weekend). N20 takes its toll on the engine as well as turbo does.

Its really your call on what you want to do. B16's do have a relatively high compression but if you are smart and do the research, you'll know that you will be able to boost perfectly fine on it. You will by no means be boosting 15-25psi but ---- who needs it when you are making around 230hp at the crank just from 7-8psi??? If its your daily driver I seriously doubt you'll want anything over 300hp anyways.

If you are have a stock engine and planning on keeping it that way, but would like to turbo heres what you do. Piece together a decent turbo kit with intercooler, add a thicker headgasket, ARP head studs, and a well tuned fuel management. No need for FMU or FPR. Just get some injectors and a piggyback ecu like uberdata or hondata or TE or if not that then get AEM EMS. Whatever floats your boat.

Whichever way you decide to do it, if you were smart you'd rebuild the engine that you have if you WANT a reliable setup. But if you just want to ---- around every once in blue moon just save your money and use nitrous--dont say that I didnt warn you that your ---- could still blow up.

The most I've seen a stock B16 handle is Vortech supercharged at 7-8psi (if i remember correctly) with a 150shot of nitrous. It did ok on the first run and gave us the middle finger after that!

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haha 7 psi and 150 shot of nitrous, how did you think it wouldn't blow, i just plan on building the head and squeeze'n a 55 shot, i just want to beat stock well some what stock wrx's

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do you guys have to pass emissions where you guys live

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if ur just going to shoot 55 shot of nitrous, you dont really need to build your head or your bottom block. I've done 75 shot on stock b16 plenty of time and it was fine and so has many other people--please take this with a grain of salt and just because we didnt experience any problems doesnt mean you wont, but in general 75 shot doesnt require building up the engine.

If you just want to take out stock wrx, you have a pretty damn good chance with a 75 shot of nitrous. WRX will take you out of the hole but you'll catch him fast. Crappiest time I've gotten with a 75 shot on a b16 in a heavy ass del sol with A/C, PS, Power everything, Cruise Control, full interior, with spare tire, and two big duffle bags filled with clothes in the trunk... 14.7 second 1/4 mile with bald kuhmo tires.

Never know till you try it buddy...

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yes, but i would like to build my head just for fun, i plan on getting itr cams skunk2 cam gears and im, header, and a few other goodies msd ignition , chipped computer and then get my nitrous setup all pur on and worked out with 100 octane and a 65 shot i hope to hit low 14's high 13's with a 2.1 or so 60 ft.

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you will

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hmm im boosting a "14 year old" b16.

almost ten psi on a stock block, stock head.

daily driven...

stop being a retard, boost doesnt kill! bad fuel management and tuning does, so take your attitude and your nitrous to www.clubsi.com youll fit right in buddy.

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pheonix your being GAY! If you are going to shoot just 55-75 shoot DO NOT BUILD YOUR BLOCK unless you are doing an all motor build up on it. If you are doing an all motor build up on it and decide to shoot some nitrous you better have a tow truck handy...

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my fault i meant to say build it non turbo not n/a i'm half ass building it for nitrous, i am also building a seprate turbo engine from the ground up, at draglab.com that kid in a crx na with not alot done smokes a d series turbo'd crx and a talon, now think if he was runnin a 65 shot and some race gas, maybe chipped ecu, would be ------- up fools!!

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you will not pas emissions in a turbo charged b16 you live in phoenix were it is very strict emissions and you will not pass emissions i work at the d.m.v and there are kids with stock b16 swaps that dont pass so if you want to drive on the street and not have to tow your car on a traler to the track dont turbo charge your car even if the power advantage are great you cant drive it on the street legally

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amen

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why dont u just buy a zex kit for ur car and call it a day? no build up, no underneath the car, no worry about smog... just some quick good fun. just watch out for the cops and dont be stupid with nitrous.

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ok guys well here is a list of what i want to do,

-mill head slightly to bump compression to 11:1
-get a stage 3 port and polish job and multi angle valve job
-ctr intake cam and itr exhaust cam (maybe just both itr not sure yet need to do more reseach)
-skunk2 adjustable cam gears
-venom intake mani
-venom stand alone fpr
-fpr gauge
-inline fuel pump
-venom injectors (not to big like a 330 or so)
-itr valve and retainers
-nice 4-1 header
-ported itr tb
-phantom grip lsd (ya i kno its not a ys1)
-msd ignition setup
-apexi vafc
-dyno tunning

(so what do you guys think ..will it hit mid 13's?? with proper tunning and race gas, i am setting a goal for my self to haveit all done by this time next year, and maybe eventually hook up a zex system to it, so what do you guys think ??)

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OEM cams are weak in comparison to aftermarket.

If you want to make all-motor power, then get the biggest set of aftermarket cams you can find. If you want to be mad cool with the JDM type R goodies, then do so.

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how many thousands of dollars is in that rice list ::)

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n/a hondas are gay and slow. if you don't want a turbo, sell the honda adn get a real car.

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you shouldn't forced him into forced induction, but if all he scared of is blowing up, no biggie! you can build your b16a motor for forced induction/ forged low comp pistons,rods,head studs,sleevs/or cylinder brace, built the head and much more, I did it to mine, but havent run it yet, simply because I'm in Iraq, but thats only a few things you can do, but N/A cost more than F/I, because I was trying to do N/A and I ended up spending a lot of useles dollars, for low Hp, not worth it, unless you dont plan on going fast....dont be a ricer! aka -----

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dude what do you guys not understand I HAVE TO PASS EMISSIONS this is my daily driver, look at buae or beua or whatever his name is in the turbo projects section he had everythin good and becouse of a bad manifold (or whatever) blew his ------- engine, i am not in the financial situatin to go buy a new engine and start up a rebuild, n/a hondas aren't slow, but than again how fast do you want it, i'm not try'n to build a fuking 11 sec daily driver bro, and emissions are strict here, lets take a poll who in here is from cali has a turbo'd b16a and passed emission (i bet no one) thats all i'm say'n if i didn't have to pass emission i would turbo my car in a heart beat

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https://www.homemadeturbo.com/forum/...threadid=19620

not impossible..

just do what YOU want w/ the car.

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pheonix,

I dont mean to be an ass or burst your bubble, but modifying anything internal, you might want to kiss emissions good bye already... I dont know about whatever one else thinks but I believe changing your internals will not make you pass the sniffer test. But ---- I dont know too much about smog so someone double check this one for me...

Pheonix, is your goal to get a 13 sec car? What engine is that chasis in? If you are going to tell me its in a crx or a 90 something hb I'm going to fucken slap you with my 24 inch python right up side your head!!!! If its in a crx or 90 hb, a 75 shot will take you well into the 13 second range with stock block and some good tires. If you dont hit 13's with a 75 shot of nitrous on a stock b16 block just sell your car and get a moped. I'm serious. Just some random guy I know from the tracks ran 14.3 sec in a 90 hb with a STOCK b16 hatch with 15" Azenis. With 75 shot nitrous subtract 1 sec that guy would have been low to mid 13's.

Dont think too hard pheonix. It sounds like you still need to do lots of research and read up on what you want and dont want and what you really want to do with that engine. At the end, you'll realize that spending lots of money going the all motor way is dumber than spending half the money for a reliable turbo setup that make people's jaws hit the ground when your BOV goes PPPPSHHHHH!

Just thought I'd let you know, all motor cars blow up just like turbo or nitrous cars. Cars in general blow up just being driven by a grandma. Why do you think there are cars in the junk yards??? Do you seriously think all of those cars are from people turboing them or using nitrous on them? NO! They are in there because it was their time to go...

Good luck with you do. Post up some pics and time when you get serious with your project. I'd like to see what happens...

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hmm well i cant post pics but her she is, like i said not much right now http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2476906767

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I dont mean to force you into turbo, but you can built a nice budget setup, and get fake greddy carb sticker, after all you wont pass the visual inspection even with boltons, but you will with a greddy sticker, just turn boost and fuel down for inspection, I know! I was stationed in Cali, Cali sucks!

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what is a greddy carb sticker... i fake emission sticker or something... you have a pic of it ? so .. what do you guys think of my car?? does it have potential?? i want lsd and the ys1 is pricey so i might get a phantom grip just to see how it works out