Bad traction what can I do?
 

Well I've boosted my 97 del sol D16Y7, and when I go up passed about 5 psi I begin to experience slipping in first and second gear on dry pavement, and terrible slipping in any weather what so ever. Anyways, I have upgraded my wheels and tires to the Toyo Proxy FZ4's with 15" wheels, but it doesn't seem to make a huge difference there (except I do get slightly better traction). I'm thinking limited slip differential is the next step, but what else can I upgrade to help the traction?

Will stronger struts and springs help it at all? More weight in the front?
Ahh and what is recommended for the D16Y7 as far as LSDs go?

Thanks

Re:Bad traction what can I do?
 

rain is fun ;D

try some slicks, drag radials on the street...

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Did you upgrade the clutch? Maybe that has something to do with it

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No, clutch is still stock. But its when I punch it in first/second that they slip. Like at about 5 grand when the turbo really picks up, that I'll feel the wheels slipping on the road sometimes its really bad to where I have to back off. It's making 'street racing' a bitch.

Re:Bad traction what can I do?
 

The cluch would n't do much with traction. He ment wheel to ground slip not engine to transmission. Best bet would be to get the LSD first. Phatom grip and Kaaz are some of the good ones. Stiffer springs and struts would definately help cuz they will push the wheels harder to the ground. Another way to get traction is to slip the clutch a lil. Its all in coordnation with driving. instead of just laying into it hold the throttle and slip the clutch out that way you still hold R's but not spinning the tires. I had 15's on my crx and they just roasted , then bumped up to 17's and they gripped so much harder. Bad traction is one thing but wheel hop is just worst. I you encounter wheel hop tie up the front end. Stiffer springs & shocks, upper and lower tie bars w/ energy susp. bushing. they help out so much to eliminate wheel hop. I hope that helps Good Luck!

~Alex~

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Phantom grip SUCKS! DO NOT spend your money on that pile of crap.

It's not even REAL LSD.. Not only is not it *real*, all it does is press on your spider gears *try* to keep them from slipping. This ends up tearing the hell out of them.. WAY bad on the transmission.

If you *really* want LSD.. get a Quiafe. Yes, it's expensive, but it'll own a Phantom Grip up and down.

http://www.quaifeamerica.com

Re:Bad traction what can I do?
 

if your shocks are blown your not going to be able to get traction either . and springs also help a bit because they keep more weight on the front tires .

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Oh ya.. also get a poly bushing kit.. forgot about that.

Maybe even aluminum if you're hardcore.

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what is the tire size on there now, not RIM, tires??

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I'll have to check again, but its like 240/15 I think (not positive).

I'm getting that nasty wheel hop if the tires get wet at all, so it looks like once I get the electronics for this turbo down its time to stiffen out the suspension heh :)

Anyone know if 'strut' rods help at all with this? I need an excuse to buy one.

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240/15 by god i hope not. that tire is WAY to wide for a crx!!! i think you mean something like 2xxR40/15??? check.. cuz if u have 185R60/15 or something you can go 205/40/15 for more tire to ground traction

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A) Wheel hop will be attributed to your cheap stock bushings. Put a poly, or aluminum bushing kit in it to fix that.

B) "Strut tower braces" will not help with traction going straight. They are used to stiffen the chassis. When you go around corners, your chassis actually flexes and twists. The braces keep it from twisting. They also transfer the force to the shocks and wheels. Shocks, and springs are wroth upgrading, but if you're all "slamming" your car to the ground, you're going to lose more handling ability.
Yes, it lowers your center of gravity, but it'll increase oversteer, which in autoX is horrible, not to mention your camber is WAY skewed. And a "camber correction" kit is needed..

So, bottom line, get bushing kit to decrease wheel hop, and strut tower braces won't help with drag racing, but will improve overall handling.

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i always thought camber helped handling...just look at formula one cars...the angle straightens out when you go into a turn

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Yes, but, we're not driving formula one cars that are going 100+ MPH around corners and the g force actually pushes the vehicle's camber out.

Plus, you dn't daily drive a formula one race car, and they get new tires every 7 to 10 laps.
Come on, lets be realistic. Having your camber off on a street car isn't practical. Having it in a drag car, actually hinders performance because you're not planting all of the tread to the ground correctly.

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i was just saying that because i had air cylinders on my accord and it handled awesome whe it was low as hell and had a shitload of camber...my back tires actually rubbed on the inside of the wheelwell

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Problem with that.. other than your tires won't last you more than 3 months, is that you create oversteer. In an autoX environment, you'd get out handled by stock rides.