b20 heads compared to ls head?
 

any benifit of using a b20 head over a ls head on my b18a1 block, its turbo'd but the heads messed up im guessing because my comp is 160 or so across the board. let me know if u have some info thanks.

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b20 is gay 8)

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same head except the p8r which has gsr/b16a size valves but there rare

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sice we are kinda on teh subject, since the P8R has bigger comb chambers (84mm) can you still use it on a 81mm bore?? wouldnt that creat geadgasket issues and hotspots on the top of the cyl walls??

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k guys so im better off just sticking with the ls right?

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No, get a VTEC head, I thought the LS was gods gift to hondas and now I'm just dissapointed.

Refer to my "day at the track" 1/4 mile post in GD

Jeff was right, shitty cams, shitty IM and shitty head. I will be selling 2 of these heads on ebay when I get my Vtec head.

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ive had a lsvtec b4, now i just want ls turbo, i plan on getting the other stuff later on. ive seen plenty of people on 10psi make good number and run good times.

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for the price you are gonna pay for a GOOD condition Vee-takk head, you could get cams/springs/ret and a valve job and stille have a spare head laying around to sell to buy other parts. not to mention the money you wont have to spend on a Vee-takk conversion kit and strengthening you bottom end. and even then you said that the tran was holding your times back, that means you would need a B16/Gsr trans on top of the Vee-takk head. doesnt quite add up to me

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dont blame the fact that your slow on not having vtec. theres TONS of people making ALOt of power on LS motors.

as to the origional question YES its a better head than what you have. the intake ports are larger and cams are bigger and the heads are often given away.

as to the other question NO you should not use a p8r head on a 81mm motor youll get hot spots on the edges. what you should do is send one to me cause i have an 84mm motor ;)

ok so the cams intake manifold and head are shitty huh, thats why they sell replacement cams and intake manfolds. im making over 50 crank horsepower more than a stock b20 with just bolt ons, intake manifold and cams. stock TB stock head ports stock pistons ect.

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i dont believe you

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dont belive what? want to see my dyno graph? the cams picked up 20 wheel hp alone... the 50 i was refering to was crank power cause i never dynoed my b20z stock. i dynoed my b20b stock and with my b20z i am now making 55 WHEEL hp more NA

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thats cuz b20 are real crappy
i believe it

imagine how much hp u would have gained with high comp, vtec head/aftermarket cams

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what cams do u have in the b20?

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yes i would make more power with a vtec head with aftermarket cams, however i am not prepared to do the bottom end work to support 8k+ rpms. im making 165whp now and thats about (within 5 hp) how much STOCK b20vtecs make with stock cams too.

i curerntly have crower 62404-2 cams, its there NA race cam. MY POINT was that YEAH the stock parts they come with are crappy but you know what? i made ALOT of power by replacing them and it only cost ~700 bux for cams valvesprings and intake manifold. its very cheap to make big gains on non vtec motors.

this is homemadeturbo.com though NOT nonvtec.com so im not gonna try and go into super detail about my motor or plans for it my point was only that the b18a head is the "worst" of the non vtec heads and the origional poster would bennifit from upgrading.

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Speedy made 340 whp @ 12 psi with a 2.0 LS, unported small ported head, short duration (250 instead of stock 230) high lift cams, stock valves. Those are OMG MAD TI-ITE 3RD GEAR V-TECH Y0 numbers, for a fraction the cost.

Yes, the cams suck. Non-VTEC cams are not expensive.

Swapping B20B/Z intake and exhaust mani's for their OEM LS equivalents makes 20 whp gain alone.

FYI, Mr Cushing, from what I understand the Crower 404 is equivalent to a GSR VTEC lobe. So you make what "stock part" B20/VTECs, with I am ASSuming a half to full point more CR, put down off of a " better flowing" VTEC head. Hrm, I think mototune guy is right about port size.

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i have stock 9.6:1 cr... like i said im makin about the power that stock ls/vtecs make. these crower cams are bigger than stock gsr cams though, adv 276 duration and 11.3mm lift.

id be hard pressed to say the stock LS parts make 20 hp more though. i dynoed my bone stock 8.8:1 b20b with all my obd2 ls parts and it made 112 hp, its rated at 126 at the crank. what REALLY makes a huge difference on b20's is an aftermarket header and 2.5" exhaust. huge gains there.

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Joe Rogers on the Hybrid board paid for dyno-tuna back in the '99-00 Hybrid board era. Had a B20Z swap in a hatch, it probably already had exhaust + suchlike, as he'd had the car for a while and it had several different swaps over the years.