90-93 integra spindles on my 89 civic...how bad will the geometry be?
 

My driver's side hub bearing is fubar'd (it actually fell apart in my hands when I took the spindle off the car) and I can't seem to find another complete spindle for it locally. I did run across a kid selling complete and good condition integra spindles, so I'm going to go pick them up tomorrow afternoon. I'm just wondering how bad my suspension geometry is going to be off once I swap them over. I've heard everything from camber/caster being completely fucked to it just needs a toe adjustment. What's the real deal here? :S

Re: 90-93 integra spindles on my 89 civic...how bad will the geometry be?
 

Most of the people with problems probably tried to use 90-93 integra spindels on 92 and up.Which everyone knows 94-2000 integra only fits.
I have had 91 integra spindels on my 89 crx and they fit fine.Except the brake bracket rubbing my rim.Upgrade to 15 inch rims.

When you use 90-93 spindels on a 92 up civic, your wheel's camber out.It's like the cv axel's are not long enough.

Anytime you mess with the spindels, they always need to be adjusted back to spec.

Re: 90-93 integra spindles on my 89 civic...how bad will the geometry be?
 

No doubt, a new front end alignment is first order for monday morning. I don't have to worry about wheel clearance, shitty 17's have tons of room in there. :P One of my friend's told me to grab the integra uca's and use them, but I don't see why I would...it'll just add more positive camber due to the longer length.

Re: 90-93 integra spindles on my 89 civic...how bad will the geometry be?
 

Well I just got the driver's side on (didn't get home and started on it until almost 6pm :P )
and so far it looks pretty good. I can tell the toe is going to be quite a bit out just by looking at it, but I'm really interested to see how the roll characteristics will be along with camber. Doesn't look like it'll go for alignment on monday, perhaps tuesday morning or so.

Re: 90-93 integra spindles on my 89 civic...how bad will the geometry be?
 

camber CURVE is the big issue.........after you've corrected the camber issue.

Lower too much and the upper arm will hit the fender.

Re: 90-93 integra spindles on my 89 civic...how bad will the geometry be?
 

Please elaborate...these are some things I want to know before it hits the alignment machine. At a quick glance camber in a straight line looks ok, not much different than the -1 degree I had before. The curve is what I'm most interested in. I can tell something's going to be different just from the fact the spindle is about 1/2" longer than the stock piece.

Re: 90-93 integra spindles on my 89 civic...how bad will the geometry be?
 

Your gonna gain more camber (compared to before) as the suspension compresses.

Re: 90-93 integra spindles on my 89 civic...how bad will the geometry be?
 

Sweet! :D I'm going to set the coilovers so the front wheels have maybe just a hair of negative camber (less than 1/2 degree if possible). Hopefully the extra camber should help "dig" me through the corners then as the body rolls over. It's been a while since I've actually played around with suspension geometry and such, gonna have to dig my old books out and read up on suspension tech again. I talked to the guy doing the alignment today, he said he'd throw the scales on the alignment machine so we can balance the corner weight first before the alignment. I'm going to be there through the entire process, so I'll try and post the readouts after it's done compared to my old stock setup.

Re: 90-93 integra spindles on my 89 civic...how bad will the geometry be?
 

you HAVE to be there for cornerweighting, sitting motionless for a hour will suck, bring music.

Re: 90-93 integra spindles on my 89 civic...how bad will the geometry be?
 

Lol actually it wasn't too bad. The rear end toe is a little fucked, I think something's bent back there because we maxed out the passenger side trying to get it close. Here's what I have for the rear's now...

Left Right
Camber -1.04 -1.06
Toe -0.01 -0.06

And for the fronts...

Camber -0.62 -0.69
Caster 2.55 2.57
Toe 0.02 0.01
That was the closest we could get it for now, strange part was when I first pulled it in even with the DA spindles I had -1.70 and -1.94 camber in the front. I actually had to raise the front's a hair and then corner balance it. I think I'm going to invest in a nice set of adjustable UCA's, not just some cheapo camber kit. The ride feels a little strange at first, but I probably just need to get used to it. Time to go find some twisties! >:D

Re: 90-93 integra spindles on my 89 civic...how bad will the geometry be?
 

If your rear trailing arm bushings are fucked, that can have something to do with getting the rear toe right. (I've never actually done an alignment on a car, but my friend who does them told me, and it kinda makes sense I think.)

Re: 90-93 integra spindles on my 89 civic...how bad will the geometry be?
 

Nah, they're pretty much brand new and solid poly bushings at that lol. I think one of the arms is bent, but it's still kinda close enough for me not to care. :P

Re: 90-93 integra spindles on my 89 civic...how bad will the geometry be?
 

Sounds good. If it's not broke, don't fix it. (Something I should have done with my tranny on my car...)

I need to invest in some of those bushings for my 245k mile oem bushings on the civic...I'm kinda dreading the replacment of them.

Re: 90-93 integra spindles on my 89 civic...how bad will the geometry be?
 

You'd be surprised at how much of a difference new bushings will make, especially if it's got really sloppy handling.
And speaking of handling, can we say holy oversteer batman...those front spindles seem to amplify the amount of oversteer my car had before, but it holds rock steady through the corners like I've never felt in that car before. Corners I would take at a max of 45-50mph I'm now able to shoot through at 65+. Takes a little getting used to, especially in a straight line down the highway (it's very sensitive to the littlest steering wheel movement), but all in all this is one of the best upgrades I've done in a while. :D

Re: 90-93 integra spindles on my 89 civic...how bad will the geometry be?
 

That's strange. There must be some reason why it does that relating to the alignment you have. I know my friends Mazdaspeed Protege that has 17s from the factory has almost that kind of handling, even with its factory spec'd alignment. I never really had that problem w/my Hondas at all.

My car does handle like ----, but it's probably due to the all-season and mis-matching front to rear 13s on the Vx wheels...
I remember what a huge upgrade adding 17s onto my old accord was. If I ever want my car not to slide through turns, it needs better tires first. I might upgrade those bushings though just so I can get a decent toe alignment on my car so it tracks straight perfectly.