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TorganFM 11-27-2008 07:51 PM

Zeitgeist Addendum
 
It's been floating around for a month and a half now and what are peoples' thoughts? I'm sure some of you have seen it. If not it's here: http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

Let's get the shitstorm started again.

bitchM0VE 11-27-2008 07:55 PM

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I've watched the first one, it was ok. Hard to believe/accept some of it though. Watching this one.

TorganFM 11-27-2008 07:57 PM

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The economics at the beginning are some of the reason why the US economy is in "recession." The whole accepting some money, creating a ton more, loaning it out, and debt creation.

I'm probably a 2/5's through the addendum thing right now.

bitchM0VE 11-27-2008 10:40 PM

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Just finished it. It was ok. I don't agree with the idea of one world, no one left behind, everybody contributes idea though. Sounds great, but I don't see that ever happening. I don't think it could ever happen. And I'm not talking about 100.00000% participation not being possible. Even if the system magically started at 100% participation world wide, people would be even more inherent to be lazy and not participate, and not work to better everyone. So what happens if people refuse to participate? There's no law or police to make people. But for the system to work, everyone needs to participate. Some people won't accept "satisfaction" as reward enough for their efforts. Way too many flaws in the system for it to ever work.

Truthfully, I think education is the single most important thing that could realistically be improved and benefit everybody. It starts at home though.

MikeJ-2009 11-27-2008 10:53 PM

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[img width=600]http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/2333/whitehousecopygt8.jpg[/img]

TorganFM 11-27-2008 11:12 PM

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shhhhhhh about education. Talking about that around here is against the rules.

signorelli21 11-27-2008 11:15 PM

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lol, that film is propaganda for their little Venus project, which is essentially the exact same "perfect society" that Karl Marx descibed in the "Communist Manifesto", so its a case for communism which we already know doesn't work, it talks so bad about the currency system but at the end of the video it asks you to go to their website where you can donate to the Venus Project. ::)

Theres alot of other ---- in there that also is just wrong, they fail to point out that humans are naturally selfish and all things they do are self serving (Thomas Paine talks about this in "Common Sense") and noone in their perfect society would participate because they wouldn't be required to, like if their maglev trains break down who will fix them? oh wait, well thats one of those mundane "slave" jobs......

But whats said about the IMF and world bank, as well as how they ---- other countries is dead on accurate, but theres other people that explain it better (see a book by Chalmers Johnson called "The Sorrows of Empire", or Naomi Kleins "Disaster Capitalism") anyway the real way to change the world is for people to quit being ------- ignorant morons and read books from the Non-Fiction section of the library for a change.

Tough-guy 11-27-2008 11:21 PM

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Better dead than Red. :X

TorganFM 11-27-2008 11:32 PM

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Yeah it got funny towards the end. Funny queer not funny haha.

The Venus project bs is not something attainable before we destroy ourselves, which is what's going to happen.

bitchM0VE 11-27-2008 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TorganFM
shhhhhhh about education. Talking about that around here is against the rules.

:P

CXyD 11-28-2008 12:41 AM

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Watching this reminds me of a Art Bell's Coast to Coast radio show where he has a guest who describes 5 classes of civillizations. A class zero civillization is where there is nations who fight over resources and money like our present earth. A class 1 civillization the people of a world have very good communications and is global society. A class 2 civillization can manage world resources. Then there is the class 3 civillization that can manage/control the resources of sun and the solar system. Then class 4 civillization can control Planck's energy (Energy of the very small). I'm just going by memory. In Art's show his guest said that our civillization is aproaching a class 1 civillization. Zeitgeist Addendum has similar parallel ideas.
I found a site describing it (man my memory sucks). http://www.angelfire.com/ca/sanmateo.../sermon13.html

kain 11-28-2008 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by signorelli21
lol, that film is propaganda for their little Venus project, which is essentially the exact same "perfect society" that Karl Marx descibed in the "Communist Manifesto", so its a case for communism which we already know doesn't work, it talks so bad about the currency system but at the end of the video it asks you to go to their website where you can donate to the Venus Project. ::)

Theres alot of other ---- in there that also is just wrong, they fail to point out that humans are naturally selfish and all things they do are self serving (Thomas Paine talks about this in "Common Sense") and noone in their perfect society would participate because they wouldn't be required to, like if their maglev trains break down who will fix them? oh wait, well thats one of those mundane "slave" jobs......

But whats said about the IMF and world bank, as well as how they ---- other countries is dead on accurate, but theres other people that explain it better (see a book by Chalmers Johnson called "The Sorrows of Empire", or Naomi Kleins "Disaster Capitalism") anyway the real way to change the world is for people to quit being ------- ignorant morons and read books from the Non-Fiction section of the library for a change.


riiiiiiiggggghhhhtttttt

tekno9998 11-28-2008 01:57 AM

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regardless good movie makes you think

j3w 11-28-2008 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by kain

riiiiiiiggggghhhhtttttt

what, you think because you've been a tourist in europe that you are somehow an authority here?

ryandeeznutz503 11-28-2008 02:07 AM

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That "Utopia" sounds commie to me.

Tom-Guy 11-28-2008 02:36 AM

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We need a little ethic cleansing before that ---- will work.

Basically, we get a list of everyone on assistance and kill them, as they don't have the correct work ethic.

signorelli21 11-28-2008 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by kain

riiiiiiiggggghhhhtttttt

Read it for yourself, then tell me how their perfect society is any different.

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx...festo/ch02.htm

Jorsher 11-28-2008 04:26 AM

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This planet is fucked.

It's human nature to want superiority and there will always be a dipshit somewhere that does something "wrong" to be in a better position. I have more faith in an Orwellian society existing than the one they advertise.

blade8r 11-28-2008 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by signorelli21
lol, that film is propaganda for their little Venus project, which is essentially the exact same "perfect society" that Karl Marx descibed in the "Communist Manifesto", so its a case for communism which we already know doesn't work, it talks so bad about the currency system but at the end of the video it asks you to go to their website where you can donate to the Venus Project. ::)

yep totally true there.. As we all know the nation of China is a big failure...

your a ------- indoctrinated idiot... if you think democracy is any better then Communism, or Fascism, and or Hereditary rule etc etc.

the point of the movie is that it all boils down the monetary system. the system very flawed and is the basis of all corruption. take money out of the picture and it's almost a guarantee improvement then how the system works today.

Granted all forms of rule have flaws (ALL OF THEM). it's just time to move on from make believe to non make believe.

Tom-Guy 11-28-2008 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by blade8r
yep totally true there.. As we all know the nation of China is a big failure...

your a ------- indoctrinated idiot... if you think democracy is any better then Communism, or Fascism, and or Hereditary rule etc etc.

I am unaware of any democracies on Earth, Richard. Name one please.



Originally Posted by blade8r
the point of the movie is that it all boils down the monetary system. the system very flawed and is the basis of all corruption. take money out of the picture and it's almost a guarantee improvement then how the system works today.

Meh, you need to read this.


So you think that money is the root of all evil?" said Francisco d'Anconia. "Have you ever asked what is the root of money? Money is a tool of exchange, which can't exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them. Money is the material shape of the principle that men who wish to deal with one another must deal by trade and give value for value. Money is not the tool of the moochers, who claim your product by tears, or of the looters, who take it from you by force. Money is made possible only by the men who produce. Is this what you consider evil?

"When you accept money in payment for your effort, you do so only on the conviction that you will exchange it for the product of the effort of others. It is not the moochers or the looters who give value to money. Not an ocean of tears not all the guns in the world can transform those pieces of paper in your wallet into the bread you will need to survive tomorrow. Those pieces of paper, which should have been gold, are a token of honor--your claim upon the energy of the men who produce. Your wallet is your statement of hope that somewhere in the world around you there are men who will not default on that moral principle which is the root of money, Is this what you consider evil?

"Have you ever looked for the root of production? Take a look at an electric generator and dare tell yourself that it was created by the muscular effort of unthinking brutes. Try to grow a seed of wheat without the knowledge left to you by men who had to discover it for the first time. Try to obtain your food by means of nothing but physical motions--and you'll learn that man's mind is the root of all the goods produced and of all the wealth that has ever existed on earth.

"But you say that money is made by the strong at the expense of the weak? What strength do you mean? It is not the strength of guns or muscles. Wealth is the product of man's capacity to think. Then is money made by the man who invents a motor at the expense of those who did not invent it? Is money made by the intelligent at the expense of the fools? By the able at the expense of the incompetent? By the ambitious at the expense of the lazy? Money is made--before it can be looted or mooched--made by the effort of every honest man, each to the extent of his ability. An honest man is one who knows that he can't consume more than he has produced.'

"To trade by means of money is the code of the men of good will. Money rests on the axiom that every man is the owner of his mind and his effort. Money allows no power to prescribe the value of your effort except the voluntary choice of the man who is willing to trade you his effort in return. Money permits you to obtain for your goods and your labor that which they are worth to the men who buy them, but no more. Money permits no deals except those to mutual benefit by the unforced judgment of the traders. Money demands of you the recognition that men must work for their own benefit, not for their own injury, for their gain, not their loss--the recognition that they are not beasts of burden, born to carry the weight of your misery--that you must offer them values, not wounds--that the common bond among men is not the exchange of suffering, but the exchange of goods. Money demands that you sell, not your weakness to men's stupidity, but your talent to their reason; it demands that you buy, not the shoddiest they offer, but the best that your money can find. And when men live by trade--with reason, not force, as their final arbiter--it is the best product that wins, the best performance, the man of best judgment and highest ability--and the degree of a man's productiveness is the degree of his reward. This is the code of existence whose tool and symbol is money. Is this what you consider evil?

"But money is only a tool. It will take you wherever you wish, but it will not replace you as the driver. It will give you the means for the satisfaction of your desires, but it will not provide you with desires. Money is the scourge of the men who attempt to reverse the law of causality--the men who seek to replace the mind by seizing the products of the mind.

"Money will not purchase happiness for the man who has no concept of what he wants: money will not give him a code of values, if he's evaded the knowledge of what to value, and it will not provide him with a purpose, if he's evaded the choice of what to seek. Money will not buy intelligence for the fool, or admiration for the coward, or respect for the incompetent. The man who attempts to purchase the brains of his superiors to serve him, with his money replacing his judgment, ends up by becoming the victim of his inferiors. The men of intelligence desert him, but the cheats and the frauds come flocking to him, drawn by a law which he has not discovered: that no man may be smaller than his money. Is this the reason why you call it evil?

"Only the man who does not need it, is fit to inherit wealth--the man who would make his own fortune no matter where he started. If an heir is equal to his money, it serves him; if not, it destroys him. But you look on and you cry that money corrupted him. Did it? Or did he corrupt his money? Do not envy a worthless heir; his wealth is not yours and you would have done no better with it. Do not think that it should have been distributed among you; loading the world with fifty parasites instead of one, would not bring back the dead virtue which was the fortune. Money is a living power that dies without its root. Money will not serve the mind that cannot match it. Is this the reason why you call it evil?

"Money is your means of survival. The verdict you pronounce upon the source of your livelihood is the verdict you pronounce upon your life. If the source is corrupt, you have damned your own existence. Did you get your money by fraud? By pandering to men's vices or men's stupidity? By catering to fools, in the hope of getting more than your ability deserves? By lowering your standards? By doing work you despise for purchasers you scorn? If so, then your money will not give you a moment's or a penny's worth of joy. Then all the things you buy will become, not a tribute to you, but a reproach; not an achievement, but a reminder of shame. Then you'll scream that money is evil. Evil, because it would not pinch-hit for your self-respect? Evil, because it would not let you enjoy your depravity? Is this the root of your hatred of money?

"Money will always remain an effect and refuse to replace you as the cause. Money is the product of virtue, but it will not give you virtue and it will not redeem your vices. Money will not give you the unearned, neither in matter nor in spirit. Is this the root of your hatred of money?

"Or did you say it's the love of money that's the root of all evil? To love a thing is to know and love its nature. To love money is to know and love the fact that money is the creation of the best power within you, and your passkey to trade your effort for the effort of the best among men. It's the person who would sell his soul for a nickel, who is loudest in proclaiming his hatred of money--and he has good reason to hate it. The lovers of money are willing to work for it. They know they are able to deserve it.

"Let me give you a tip on a clue to men's characters: the man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it.

"Run for your life from any man who tells you that money is evil. That sentence is the leper's bell of an approaching looter. So long as men live together on earth and need means to deal with one another--their only substitute, if they abandon money, is the muzzle of a gun.

"But money demands of you the highest virtues, if you wish to make it or to keep it. Men who have no courage, pride or self-esteem, men who have no moral sense of their right to their money and are not willing to defend it as they defend their life, men who apologize for being rich--will not remain rich for long. They are the natural bait for the swarms of looters that stay under rocks for centuries, but come crawling out at the first smell of a man who begs to be forgiven for the guilt of owning wealth. They will hasten to relieve him of the guilt--and of his life, as he deserves.

"Then you will see the rise of the men of the double standard--the men who live by force, yet count on those who live by trade to create the value of their looted money--the men who are the hitchhikers of virtue. In a moral society, these are the criminals, and the statutes are written to protect you against them. But when a society establishes criminals-by-right and looters-by-law--men who use force to seize the wealth of disarmed victims--then money becomes its creators' avenger. Such looters believe it safe to rob defenseless men, once they've passed a law to disarm them. But their loot becomes the magnet for other looters, who get it from them as they got it. Then the race goes, not to the ablest at production, but to those most ruthless at brutality. When force is the standard, the murderer wins over the pickpocket. And then that society vanishes, in a ------ of ruins and slaughter.

"Do you wish to know whether that day is coming? Watch money. Money is the barometer of a society's virtue. When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion--when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing--when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors--when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against you--when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice--you may know that your society is doomed. Money is so noble a medium that is does not compete with guns and it does not make terms with brutality. It will not permit a country to survive as half-property, half-loot.

"Whenever destroyers appear among men, they start by destroying money, for money is men's protection and the base of a moral existence. Destroyers seize gold and leave to its owners a counterfeit pile of paper. This kills all objective standards and delivers men into the arbitrary power of an arbitrary setter of values. Gold was an objective value, an equivalent of wealth produced. Paper is a mortgage on wealth that does not exist, backed by a gun aimed at those who are expected to produce it. Paper is a check drawn by legal looters upon an account which is not theirs: upon the virtue of the victims. Watch for the day when it bounces, marked, 'Account overdrawn.'

"When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded. Do not ask, 'Who is destroying the world? You are.

"You stand in the midst of the greatest achievements of the greatest productive civilization and you wonder why it's crumbling around you, while you're damning its life-blood--money. You look upon money as the savages did before you, and you wonder why the jungle is creeping back to the edge of your cities. Throughout men's history, money was always seized by looters of one brand or another, whose names changed, but whose method remained the same: to seize wealth by force and to keep the producers bound, demeaned, defamed, deprived of honor. That phrase about the evil of money, which you mouth with such righteous recklessness, comes from a time when wealth was produced by the labor of slaves--slaves who repeated the motions once discovered by somebody's mind and left unimproved for centuries. So long as production was ruled by force, and wealth was obtained by conquest, there was little to conquer, Yet through all the centuries of stagnation and starvation, men exalted the looters, as aristocrats of the sword, as aristocrats of birth, as aristocrats of the bureau, and despised the producers, as slaves, as traders, as shopkeepers--as industrialists.

"To the glory of mankind, there was, for the first and only time in history, a country of money--and I have no higher, more reverent tribute to pay to America, for this means: a country of reason, justice, freedom, production, achievement. For the first time, man's mind and money were set free, and there were no fortunes-by-conquest, but only fortunes-by-work, and instead of swordsmen and slaves, there appeared the real maker of wealth, the greatest worker, the highest type of human being--the self-made man--the American industrialist.

"If you ask me to name the proudest distinction of Americans, I would choose--because it contains all the others--the fact that they were the people who created the phrase 'to make money.' No other language or nation had ever used these words before; men had always thought of wealth as a static quantity--to be seized, begged, inherited, shared, looted or obtained as a favor. Americans were the first to understand that wealth has to be created. The words 'to make money' hold the essence of human morality.

"Yet these were the words for which Americans were denounced by the rotted cultures of the looters' continents. Now the looters' credo has brought you to regard your proudest achievements as a hallmark of shame, your prosperity as guilt, your greatest men, the industrialists, as blackguards, and your magnificent factories as the product and property of muscular labor, the labor of whip-driven slaves, like the pyramids of Egypt. The rotter who simpers that he sees no difference between the power of the dollar and the power of the whip, ought to learn the difference on his own hide-- as, I think, he will.

"Until and unless you discover that money is the root of all good, you ask for your own destruction. When money ceases to be the tool by which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of men. Blood, whips and guns--or dollars. Take your choice--there is no other--and your time is running out."
Hugs and kisses, big guy. :P

blade8r 11-28-2008 08:11 AM

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are you fucken nuts I'm not going to read all that. geez my eye's hurt already.

and your right there aren't any real democracies on this planet. but closest i would say would be 1776-1861 Americas.

well anyways this is a necessary thing for the human race to experience anyways. we are creating this. destruction to no end if necessary.

recorded history has only a constituent fraction of real human history. we just need to build on working out our social kinks. hopefully before our technology destroys us.

Tom-Guy 11-28-2008 08:47 AM

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Interesting that you'd pick the era of state's rights as the era of democracy.

buk9tp 11-28-2008 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Tough-guy
Better dead than Red. :X

that's what she said!

kain 11-28-2008 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by J.H.Christ
what, you think because you've been a tourist in europe that you are somehow an authority here?

who says im a tourist. i fucken live there dumbass.


oh and Isnt France the only real true democracy?

kain 11-28-2008 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by signorelli21
Read it for yourself, then tell me how their perfect society is any different.

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx...festo/ch02.htm

how about you stop quoting everything you read on the internet. as if its 100% fact.

signorelli21 11-28-2008 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by blade8r
yep totally true there.. As we all know the nation of China is a big failure...

Yes it is, they have a growth based economy where they throw all of their capital into production, due to the fact that they are currently now producing more than the world consumes they are heading towards a recession, also since most of the companies over there are based here in the us they are being forced to lay off workers, in china the people that work in alot of the factories are called migratory workers who come from all over the country and live in dorms, when they get laid off they riot, also don;t get me started on their non existant environmental standards, human rights violations, or the fact that the internet and every other type of media is heavily censored.


Originally Posted by blade8r

your a ------- indoctrinated idiot... if you think democracy is any better then Communism, or Fascism, and or Hereditary rule etc etc.

Actually I am not, I am a free thinking American and I don't believe to have said that one was better then anouther, just that the miracle society they are proposing is not something new ( the "Communist Manifesto" was written in 1850) and as you can see from the former Soviet Union and the current states of China and North Korea their system of government is alot worse than what we have, which by the way is not a Democracy.

the point of the movie is that it all boils down the monetary system. the system very flawed and is the basis of all corruption. take money out of the picture and it's almost a guarantee improvement then how the system works today.


Originally Posted by blade8r

the point of the movie is that it all boils down the monetary system. the system very flawed and is the basis of all corruption. take money out of the picture and it's almost a guarantee improvement then how the system works today.

Yes and thats not accurate, they are biased against money and personal property and are trying to sway you to their viewpoint.

The Central banking system is a problem because its not transparent, if we were allowed to audit the federal reserve and they still posted the M3 ( like they used to, in the movie they showed a graph showing debt vs inflationa and it stopped at 2006, know why? its because in MArch of 2006 the fed stopped posting the M3 which is a report of all the dollars in circulation, includin offshore commercial accounts, ect. since we don;t know how much money is out there the value of it is based on pure speculation.)

Also, we did just fine until they started getting rid of the laws that governed the system, like the Bretton-woods agreement (AKA the gold standard) the Glass-Steagall act which created the FDIC and controlled speculation (which helped create the current economic failure) and others.

But hey, since I disagree with the video on the internet I obviously am wrong................. who's indoctrinated again?



Originally Posted by kain
how about you stop quoting everything you read on the internet. as if its 100% fact.

I own the book, but don't have a scanner, trust me thats what it really says. :1

oh, did you read it?

jinxy 11-28-2008 02:56 PM

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They obviously present you with fact then give you a perverse answer that benefits their viewpoint. They're techno-commies and JD summed it up with the Frisco speech. I suggest you read it as it contains a solid doctrine to live by, rather than that alien garbage you chose to subject us to.

j3w 11-28-2008 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by kain
how about you stop quoting everything you read on the internet. as if its 100% fact.

what part of it isn't fact?

signorelli21 11-28-2008 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by rawr
They obviously present you with fact then give you a perverse answer that benefits their viewpoint. They're techno-commies and JD summed it up with the Frisco speech. I suggest you read it as it contains a solid doctrine to live by, rather than that alien garbage you chose to subject us to.

Yep, actually its just a scam. If you go to their website its pretty funny because they have built a prototype version of that city on 21 acres in florida, its funny because the only people that live there are that old guy and his assistant, oh and its also for sale http://www.flalandsale.com/

Their company is split in two different parts, theres a 501c (not for profit) called "future by design" which you can donate money to help fund ....whatever?

Also there is their FOR PROFIT company that sells DVD's and all kinds of ---- related to never never land http://www.thevenusproject.com/shop/

You know for people that spend all their time ridiculing capitalism they sure have made it work to their advantage.


blade8r 11-29-2008 06:03 AM

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i disagree with you signorelli21 about your perspective.

edit:
the Venus project is just an idea. every society has it's problems i just don't know one that we the human race can transition into with ease.

j3w 11-29-2008 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by blade8r
every society has it's problems i just don't know one that we the human race can transition into with ease.

i think jumping into a ------- spaceship is pretty damn easy

J-SMITH69 11-29-2008 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by blade8r
are you fucken nuts I'm not going to read all that. geez my eye's hurt already.

and your right there aren't any real democracies on this planet. but closest i would say would be 1776-1861 Americas.

well anyways this is a necessary thing for the human race to experience anyways. we are creating this. destruction to no end if necessary.

recorded history has only a constituent fraction of real human history. we just need to build on working out our social kinks. hopefully before our technology destroys us.


Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
Interesting that you'd pick the era of state's rights as the era of democracy.

this guy has no clue what he is talking about.

the US is a representative republic, and it was even more so in that time period.

he is a moron

J-SMITH69 11-29-2008 03:00 PM

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2008 election county map
http://www.dragcityvideos.com/images/2008countymap.png

blade8r 11-29-2008 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by J.H.Christ
i think jumping into a ------- spaceship is pretty damn easy

I think you think I'm fucken nuts. but i think my think is pretty damn nuts too. But if you think that i think that jumping into spaceships to an easy ticket out your wrong.

I plan to evolve and experience all truths of this this planet till destruction to no end if necessary as I've mention before.

but then again it is what i think. you know i know im not crazy. i know it sounds crazy, but im not alone in this.

so why bring up the space ship thing. did he Zeta Reticulan ---- probe you. aww your someone's bitch.. or gods bitch. same difference.

Tough-guy 11-29-2008 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by random-strike

You can bitch and moan all you want. Turn threads political all you want. Scream Ron Paul all you want. It won't change anything. Change is coming anyway. You should relax and ride the darkness.

J-SMITH69 11-29-2008 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Tough-guy
You can bitch and moan all you want. Turn threads political all you want. Scream Ron Paul all you want. It won't change anything. Change is coming anyway. You should relax and ride the darkness.

you're an idiot

Tough-guy 11-29-2008 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by random-strike
you're an idiot

No sir, I speak the truth. You are the idiot. Join reality. :)

J-SMITH69 11-29-2008 05:38 PM

Re: Zeitgeist Addendum
 

Originally Posted by Tough-guy
No sir, I speak the truth. You are the idiot. Join reality. :)

moron

j3w 11-29-2008 05:45 PM

Re: Zeitgeist Addendum
 

Originally Posted by blade8r
I think you think I'm fucken nuts. but i think my think is pretty damn nuts too. But if you think that i think that jumping into spaceships to an easy ticket out your wrong.

I plan to evolve and experience all truths of this this planet till destruction to no end if necessary as I've mention before.

but then again it is what i think. you know i know im not crazy. i know it sounds crazy, but im not alone in this.

so why bring up the space ship thing. did he Zeta Reticulan ---- probe you. aww your someone's bitch.. or gods bitch. same difference.

zeta reticulon is not real. you are truly a nutcase.

Tom-Guy 11-29-2008 05:59 PM

Re: Zeitgeist Addendum
 
So's Johnny. Of the two, Richard is a lot easier to get along with. :y


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