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Wiring 230V CE Mig - laundry room dryer plug.... its all I got! Need Help
I just picked up a Chicago Electric Dual Mig 151
Got it dirt cheap, couldnt pass it up and its a step up from flux cored for basically nothing. Only problem is I dont have a 220V plug in this house other than my dryer plug. The welder came wit 3 open wires so Im assuming I have to buy and wire my own plug. My dryer has a plug where the left and right prong are vertical, the top prong is an upsidedown L, and the bottom prong is a circle I need some help on where and if its possible to wire this up to run in there for now as a temp setup. Never done this before Thanks guys |
Re: Wiring 230V CE Mig - laundry room dryer plug.... its all I got! Need Help
So will this even work heres a link for the auction with the specs
Specifically designed to use self-shielding flux-cored welding wire, eliminating any need for gas and regulators normal MIG welders require. Self regulating feed control Thermal protection with warning light Carry handle on lid Input: 115 volt, 15 amps, single phase Welding current (2 settings) 63 to 68 amps (low), 79 to 90 amps (high) Duty cycle: 10% @ 80 amps, 18% @ 60 amps Wire capacity: 0.030'' |
Re: Wiring 230V CE Mig - laundry room dryer plug.... its all I got! Need Help
if it was 220v just get the right plug, and cap off the white wire.. that is, it seems to be that your dryer is 4 wire and your welder is 3 wire.. the extra wire is the neutral (white) so cap it off and shove it in the back of the box...
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Re: Wiring 230V CE Mig - laundry room dryer plug.... its all I got! Need Help
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What colors are the wires coming from the welder? How thick are they? Fat toothpick sized or closer to a pencil sized? Half a penicl? Got any pics? From the specs you listed, it doesn't need a 220v feed. If that's the case, cut a 3 pronged cord off something you don't use or care for and wire it up and plug it in. __________________ Best Car Insurance | Auto Protection Today | FREE Trade-In Quote |
Re: Wiring 230V CE Mig - laundry room dryer plug.... its all I got! Need Help
Aparently the listing is wrong. I knew it was 220, didnt read the specs. Its definetely 220 as my buddy has the same one
The wires are about 1/2 pencil thick, maybe a bit thicker. In the auction the listing even says powerred on and tested, obviously it wasnt if there is no plug haha But its 220V for sure I just need to know what type of ---- I need to buy (aparently a dryer plug that will fit right?) and if it can weld with gas on the breaker that my dryer is connected to or if itll just keep tripping? Thanks guys |
Re: Wiring 230V CE Mig - laundry room dryer plug.... its all I got! Need Help
Go to the hardware store or Home Depot and buy a 4 wire dryer cord.
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Re: Wiring 230V CE Mig - laundry room dryer plug.... its all I got! Need Help
Ok so I'll simply buy the same plug that my dryer uses. Thats simple enough. Best place for that purchase?
Will my dryer breaker be able to handle a freakin welder? And yeah the posted stats are wrong, its definetely 230V Thanks so far |
Re: Wiring 230V CE Mig - laundry room dryer plug.... its all I got! Need Help
Originally Posted by Turblow
Ok so I'll simply buy the same plug that my dryer uses. Thats simple enough. Best place for that purchase?
Will my dryer breaker be able to handle a freakin welder? And yeah the posted stats are wrong, its definetely 230V Thanks so far |
Re: Wiring 230V CE Mig - laundry room dryer plug.... its all I got! Need Help
Originally Posted by burkej62
The middle one is your neatrul, the ones on either sides are your hots . Dryer circuits are 30 amp, i don't know what your welder requires , the only way this would work is if it also requries 30 amps.
Your dryer receptacle has two hots (x and y) a neatrul and a ground . it should have a G by it . on a side note, pick up 10-15ft of 12/3 multi strand and throw an extension cord on that ---- |
Re: Wiring 230V CE Mig - laundry room dryer plug.... its all I got! Need Help
Originally Posted by burkej62
um if your going to be pulling 30 amps then make it 10/3 stranded. Considering voltage drop , i'd go with 10 anyway .
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Re: Wiring 230V CE Mig - laundry room dryer plug.... its all I got! Need Help
Originally Posted by burkej62
No you asshat the extra wire is the ground, it was common to run just two hots and a N but now everything is a 4 wire feed, usually. Capping off the white wire and not using it would mean you have 240 volts . Besides the point, your welder is a normal appliance just plug it in anywhere.
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Re: Wiring 230V CE Mig - laundry room dryer plug.... its all I got! Need Help
Originally Posted by c0mpl3x
ive got the same welder on a 30amp circuit, using a 30amp 110v sized horizontal plug. works prefectly fine :)
on a side note, pick up 10-15ft of 12/3 multi strand and throw an extension cord on that ---- You mean I can use some cheap ass plug to get this to work? |
Re: Wiring 230V CE Mig - laundry room dryer plug.... its all I got! Need Help
http://images.orgill.com/200x200/4181855.jpg
220v 30a plug. the welder only draws 23amps if i remember right. standard air compressor (not the big above 5hp ones, smaller ones) come with this style of plug |
Re: Wiring 230V CE Mig - laundry room dryer plug.... its all I got! Need Help
My wall doesnt have that style plug for the dryer, Im only plugging this into the wall where my dryer port is
Can I use a washer plug wired up with this welder or not? |
Re: Wiring 230V CE Mig - laundry room dryer plug.... its all I got! Need Help
My welder is 23 amps I believe, small
Heres what I just did, I found an old dryer, same plug, so I simply cut it off with a lenght of cord. So now Im left a few wiring connections to make On the plug WHITE/RED/BLACK/Un-Coloured unwrapped wire (wasnt wrapped in plastic, no colour I guess On The welder White/Black/ Green My first choice, is white to white, black to black and green to red and the loose uncoloured wire from the plug to nothing. But I dont know what Im doing or is something needs to be grounded special at the welder or something Please inform me guys THanks |
Re: Wiring 230V CE Mig - laundry room dryer plug.... its all I got! Need Help
Originally Posted by burkej62
You just proved yourself wrong cock smack . 14 gauge = 15 amps, im no genius but 15 < 23 It pulls 23 amps, thats defiantely not ------- 14 gauge so bend the ---- over and take it like a man 14 is good for 15 amps , which work would for the specs that were listed, but if you had a ------- brain you would see we all ready came to the idea those were the WRONG specs! It's a 230 volt , 30 amp machine. And it is most likley a 4 wired feed , you just dont see the 4 wire because the ground go right to frame ! Any extension cord at all would at least need to be 10 gauge wire. 12 gauge is rated only for 20 amps . Go get a damn dryer plug all ready as has been mentioned. just find whatever fits your receptacle . Go ahed argue i can list the ------- NEC article for ya too
Originally Posted by Harbor Freight product subscription
nput: 230V, 60 Hz, single phase; Welding current range: 30-120 amps; Duty cycle: 15% @ 115 amps; Draws 15 amps @ 230V; Max. open circuit voltage: 36V; Weldable wires: .023", .030", and .035 steel or stainless steel; .030" and .035" aluminum; .030" flux core
Originally Posted by c0mpl3x
---- off twatcrust, the welder comes with 14ga STANDARD
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Re: Wiring 230V CE Mig - laundry room dryer plug.... its all I got! Need Help
Originally Posted by Turblow
My first choice, is white to white, black to black and green to red and the loose uncoloured wire from the plug to nothing. But I dont know what Im doing or is something needs to be grounded special at the welder or something
Please inform me guys THanks Also, if the welder DRAWS 15amps it is NOT to be run on a 15amp circuit. 20amp at the least, but it seems nobody knows the god damn specs on this ------- thing. ::) __________________ Best Car Insurance | Auto Protection Today | FREE Trade-In Quote |
Re: Wiring 230V CE Mig - laundry room dryer plug.... its all I got! Need Help
Ive had a few diferent opinions on how to wire it
It is definetely 230v, and its going to be run on a 30amp breaker I blieve |
Re: Wiring 230V CE Mig - laundry room dryer plug.... its all I got! Need Help
Originally Posted by burkej62
All right then get your self a damn dryer cord all ready ! If it's on a 30 amp breaker it has to be wired with 10 guage wire . The NEC dictates that everything must be of equal ampacity , to do otherwise would be illegal and a fire hazard. All you have to do is get a freakiing dryer cord. Unless this is a pure 240 volt machine it will need a neatrel docotor boost.
Look on the welder where the wire attaches there should be a red , black , white and then a green ground screw somewhere . Find the cord that matches your outlet and your good to go . "My welder is 23 amps I believe, small Heres what I just did, I found an old dryer, same plug, so I simply cut it off with a lenght of cord. So now Im left a few wiring connections to make On the plug WHITE/RED/BLACK/Un-Coloured unwrapped wire (wasnt wrapped in plastic, no colour I guess On The welder White/Black/ Green My first choice, is white to white, black to black and green to red and the loose uncoloured wire from the plug to nothing. But I dont know what Im doing or is something needs to be grounded special at the welder or something Please inform me guys THanks" |
Re: Wiring 230V CE Mig - laundry room dryer plug.... its all I got! Need Help
He said the welder didnt have a red wire and it has a black, white and a ground so if its 220v those 2 colored wires will be hots and the bare is obviously the ground. ive never seen so much hasstle and confusion over hooking up a welder.
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Re: Wiring 230V CE Mig - laundry room dryer plug.... its all I got! Need Help
So, lamens terms, which wire goes to which. On each unit. Does anything on the welder itself have to be grounded since there are only 3 wires from the welder and 4 from the plug?
Im going to be soldering, heatscrinking these connections so Id rather be sure and have uit work the FIRST time |
Re: Wiring 230V CE Mig - laundry room dryer plug.... its all I got! Need Help
I could have sworn we already went over this? BLACK GOES TO BLACK, WHITE FROM WELDER GOES TO RED ON CORD, GREEN GOES TO GREEN. Its not that hard. The white from the cord is not used.
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Re: Wiring 230V CE Mig - laundry room dryer plug.... its all I got! Need Help
When you say green to green, you mean green form the welder to bare in the plug?
My grandpa, wired up this dryer, is there any reason why this wouldnt work? Why am I not using the white on the plug? |
Re: Wiring 230V CE Mig - laundry room dryer plug.... its all I got! Need Help
Originally Posted by Dr.Boost
If it is infact a 220v welder, you will use black to black, RED from cord to WHITE on welder and bare, uncolored wire goes to the GREEN.
Originally Posted by Dr.Boost
BLACK GOES TO BLACK, WHITE FROM WELDER GOES TO RED ON CORD, GREEN GOES TO GREEN. Its not that hard. The white from the cord is not used.
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Re: Wiring 230V CE Mig - laundry room dryer plug.... its all I got! Need Help
Its a 220V Chicago electric dual 151 mig
Theres no chance its 110 Anyone confirm boosts little wiring schems for me? |
Re: Wiring 230V CE Mig - laundry room dryer plug.... its all I got! Need Help
Jesus, do you want me to come over there and wire it up for you? :P
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Re: Wiring 230V CE Mig - laundry room dryer plug.... its all I got! Need Help
Pretty easy question. My grandpa wired this damn dryer, and you said green from the plug which there isnt
Should I wire both the white and bar form the plug to the green on the welder? |
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Originally Posted by Dr.Boost
If it is infact a 220v welder, you will use black to black, RED from cord to WHITE on welder and bare, uncolored wire goes to the GREEN.
Originally Posted by Dr.Boost
The white from the cord is not used.
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So....how does it go? :S
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Re: Wiring 230V CE Mig - laundry room dryer plug.... its all I got! Need Help
Good luck on frying your welder ;D White wires in any 110/220v electrical product are always used for a neutral wire. If it was a standard 2-wire (grounds are never counted in the wire count) 220v welder, it would have 1 black wire (common 110v), 1 red wire (common 110v) and 1 green or bare copper wire for ground. But the wire colors you gave are for a standard 110v connection, even though the specs you listed require a 30a 220v setup. You really need to post a pic of this thing, that would give us a much better idea of what you're dealing with. Oh, one other thing...220v welders should be internally wired with a minimum of 12 gauge wire, 110v welders use 14 gauge internally, unless someone has replaced the cord with a different one that's incorrect.
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Re: Wiring 230V CE Mig - laundry room dryer plug.... its all I got! Need Help
Originally Posted by slo_crx1
Good luck on frying your welder ;D White wires in any 110/220v electrical product are always used for a neutral wire. If it was a standard 2-wire (grounds are never counted in the wire count) 220v welder, it would have 1 black wire (common 110v), 1 red wire (common 110v) and 1 green or bare copper wire for ground. But the wire colors you gave are for a standard 110v connection, even though the specs you listed require a 30a 220v setup. You really need to post a pic of this thing, that would give us a much better idea of what you're dealing with. Oh, one other thing...220v welders should be internally wired with a minimum of 12 gauge wire, 110v welders use 14 gauge internally, unless someone has replaced the cord with a different one that's incorrect.
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Re: Wiring 230V CE Mig - laundry room dryer plug.... its all I got! Need Help
440 v FTW!!
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Re: Wiring 230V CE Mig - laundry room dryer plug.... its all I got! Need Help
i think he has the same wiring i have i bought the harbour freight dual mig not the 151 but it runs on the 220v as well same color wires everything i picked it up brandnew for 140 bucks since the lady at the regesiter was a victim :6 (regularly $269)
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n...ckspics002.jpg http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n...ckspics001.jpg i want to know how to wire this thing in as well. my neighbors suppossed to come over and give me a hand hes an electrician but i dont know when he will show since he hits the bottle alot. id rather know for myself first anyways so nothing gets fucked.. |
Re: Wiring 230V CE Mig - laundry room dryer plug.... its all I got! Need Help
is the green wire the bare to ground that your referring to and does that mean to ground to the machine or the other prong?
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Re: Wiring 230V CE Mig - laundry room dryer plug.... its all I got! Need Help
white and black are the flat prongs, green is ground.
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Re: Wiring 230V CE Mig - laundry room dryer plug.... its all I got! Need Help
I got it wired, powers on anyways with Dr boosts way
Then I found out that my wire feed control is BROKEN! Its on full blast and the little knob has broken away form the control board, probably during shipping for ---- sakes Now I have to figure out how to get the knob off then solder it back onto the correct spot before I even get to use this ------ thing |
Re: Wiring 230V CE Mig - laundry room dryer plug.... its all I got! Need Help
Originally Posted by burkej62
------- die you he's going to get staright 240 ! its impossible to even get 400 volts in a res setting. |
Re: Wiring 230V CE Mig - laundry room dryer plug.... its all I got! Need Help
ok well i really wasnt sure if i should bring this thread back cause its confusing as all hell, but it would be nice to have most of this info in one spot.....
anyways i just bought a smiley tools 160s and im trying to wire up my extension cord to my dryer plug....i also have a dryer plug that goes to a recepticale box so i dont have to climb behind my dryer to plug this thing in, but i can wire that myself if you guys tell me what wires go where on the rest of this stuff.....and for the best part PICS!!!!!! the welder wires (black) and the extension cord (yellow) welder is 220v and im assuming the wires are 12ga. the extension cord is 10/3 http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q.../welderext.jpg next is the extension cord to the dryer plug...note the dryer plug has no colors so please let me know wich prong goes to what color on the extension cord.. http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q...C/extdryer.jpg and here is just a shot of the back of the welder, it has some info, not sure if its useful or not.... http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q...welderback.jpg http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q...SOHC/label.jpg |
Re: Wiring 230V CE Mig - laundry room dryer plug.... its all I got! Need Help
on the dryer plug, the middle is ground. the smaller of 3 wires is 99% of the time ground.
middle wire on dryer to green. outsides to white/black (hots) on the HF, green is ground. purple and blue are hots burkej you are a troll faggot, this isn't www.cooperwires.com/forum tech support, this is www.hmt.com/forum. noone gives a ---- what code is code, its a ------- extension cord. that's out of code in the first place :6 |
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